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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
      Originally posted by Stilton
      Taker won't be back for very long, and I'm sure he'll be doing his share of business on the way out, and probably put Brock over for his troubles while he's at it, much like the way Hogan passed the torch to Warrior.

    I'll believe Taker's gone when he doesn't appear for a few years. This last run will be his last run until he decides the fans need the nostalgic Biker Taker return.
    And, in hindsight, Hogan didn't pass the torch to Dingbat. He let him hold it for him while he took a nap. And then he took it back as quick as he could.


He didn't even let him hold it. He totally played it up at that WrestleMania like "Look at me - Look at what *I'M* doing! Look at me pass the torch!" It was the same thing he did with Rock a couple years ago. It wasn't about Warrior beating Hogan. It was about Hogan losing to Warrior. Just like it wasn't about The Rock beating Hogan. It was about Hogan losing to The Rock.

Undertaker's not that good, though, he'll just stuff everyone in a casket and pull it out of the arena on his motorcycle. Deadman Riding! :)
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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.65
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    And, in hindsight, Hogan didn't pass the torch to Dingbat. He let him hold it for him while he took a nap. And then he took it back as quick as he could.
Who is Dingbat?



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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
Ultimate Warrior. Y'know, DINGO (Dingbat) Warrior.



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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.45
    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by redsoxnation
      And, in hindsight, Hogan didn't pass the torch to Dingbat. He let him hold it for him while he took a nap. And then he took it back as quick as he could.
    Who is Dingbat?






After hearing and reading Warrior's delusional rants the past decade, he has earned the name Dingbat. That, and of course the sub-moronic angle he helped book in WCW. Actually, he should have earned the name Patient at Insane Asylum by now. Plus, it helps remind me of the good old days of WCCW when he was facing the evil communist Crusher Yurkov and Saba Simba, led by Larry Sharpe.



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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.60

    He's gotten more than his fair share from him, he's been put over almost EVERYONE on the roster, he's done ONE high-profile one-on-one job that could even be construed as anywhere NEAR clean (last month) in his ENTIRE WWE career.


You think the loss to Eddie was clean? I guess I must've imagined that Goldberg spear.

Brock lost cleanly to Kurt Angle at Summerslam.



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MH: Whats a clever way to say that I have a penis?
CJ: UhMark, nobodys going to buy that shirt.
MH: How about if I say that Ive gotauh?
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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.22
I'd point out that Brock and Goldberg don't even appear on the Bus ads for Wrestlemania that are all over right now.

This is a match that could easily headline a nonWrestlemania show. If booked properly could've headlined Mania.

For a match that should be really easy to push this is really burried in both the build and advertisement.

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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.84
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Now that I think about it...so what if Brock DOES job to 'Taker? He's gotten more than his fair share from him, he's been put over almost EVERYONE on the roster, he's done ONE high-profile one-on-one job that could even be construed as anywhere NEAR clean (last month) in his ENTIRE WWE career.


He freaking tapped out at Summerslam *and* lost the fall clean to Angle the month before at Vengeance.



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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.36
"He freaking tapped out at Summerslam *and* lost the fall clean to Angle the month before at Vengeance."

Okay, three losses. To two guys who need it. And one in a triple threat match, which never gets looked upon as detrimental because there's an outside factor involved. And as BB said, the Eddie loss wasn't 100% clean (Goldberg spear, DDT on the belt). Point is, main-eventers do jobs to other main-eventers. Hell, it'd be more understandable if Brock was kicking up a stink over jobbing to Cena. I wouldn't AGREs, but at least there'd be reasoning there.



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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.84
I was just pointing out other (and more clean) clean losses from Lesnar. Those are the only ones though, as far as I remember.

But it's not like the company's future SHOULD be out there jobbing to everybody. That's just common sense. Particularly, he shouldn't be losing to Undertaker, and there's no excuse with Undertaker having lost plenty to him, because at this point, that's what Undertaker should have been doing.

Not that I really disagree with you for the most part, though.



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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.79
In Brock's first year of the company, 2002-2003, he lost via pinfall only to the Big Show and one very dirty loss to Kurt Angle. That's two.

In Brock's second year of the company, 2003-2004, he lost to Kurt Angle, Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit (in a tag match, but beaten nonetheless), and Eddie Guerrero. That's four.

Four is bigger than two. Thus, he was losing more often.

Also, Brock's two losses in his first year came well after the 6-month point of that year. Brock's losses in his second year were more spread out, spanning from Summer till February.

The second-year losses all happened on Pay-Per-View, which is more significant than a loss on UPN, because PPVs are hyped for weeks ON television. And the televised matches on SMACKDOWN! are usually thrown together every week to build TO the PPV matches, as was the case with Angle-Brock before WrestleMania XIX.

And, again, the WrestleMania match was more important than the TV match, and Brock's loss to the Big Show at Survivor Series, because WMXIX was where Brock established himself as the true champion after the Angle/Show/Lesnar fiasco. That's where that crappy storyline came to a head.

Brock has done nothing to really indicate that he is the future of WWE except be young. If anything, he's the present.

(edited by SKLOKAZOID on 9.3.04 0659)
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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.84
    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    Brock has done nothing to really indicate that he is the future of WWE except be young.


Well, that's pretty debatable. He's also really good and getting continually better. And young, yes.



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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.79
You're right. It's debatable. He has improved since his debut, no doubt about that, and has really helped establish a lot of stars on SMACKDOWN!
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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95

    Originally posted by 1w
    The news that Brock Lesnar is "burned out" because of travel and upset because his "push" might be diminished hasn't garnered much sympathy from his co-workers.

    "We all have pretty much the same travel schedule he does and we're not whining about it," one Smackdown wrestler tells 1Wrestling.com, "and we'd all like a better push."

    Another Smackdown performer tells 1Wrestling.com, "it's pretty hard to feel sorry for somebody who is in the spot he's in and who is making the money he's making. He knew what he was getting into when he came here, and now he can't take the pressure. Too bad. Poor Brock."

Ouch, it's gettin' nasty.

Unless, of course, 1w is making all this up :)



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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.13
    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
      Originally posted by 1w
      The news that Brock Lesnar is "burned out" because of travel and upset because his "push" might be diminished hasn't garnered much sympathy from his co-workers.

      "We all have pretty much the same travel schedule he does and we're not whining about it," one Smackdown wrestler tells 1Wrestling.com, "and we'd all like a better push."

      Another Smackdown performer tells 1Wrestling.com, "it's pretty hard to feel sorry for somebody who is in the spot he's in and who is making the money he's making. He knew what he was getting into when he came here, and now he can't take the pressure. Too bad. Poor Brock."

    Ouch, it's gettin' nasty.

    Unless, of course, 1w is making all this up :)


A mere few hours after they had put up the original story there was a follow up which basically said

"That story we gave you about Brock? ITS TRUE! REALLY HONEST TO GOD IT IS. This is BIG NEWS!!!!!!"

Which, if nothing else makes me detect a whiff of bullshit in the air ;)
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#55 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.52
True or not, Brock is in the awkward position of being a guy who can now benefit from long periods of time away from the product. He's been pushed hard and consistently enough that there's nothing left to do with him. The only thing that could save him now would be amazing, unforgettable stortylines and that isn't going to happen in Vince-land. Ever.

That's the problem with the Christ pushes. Where do you go? There not much you can do with Brock at this point. Austin, Rocky, Trips, 'Taker...they all suffer from creative burnout at some point because the current state of the business overexposes everyone all the time.



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#56 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.42
"Even WITH interference, he hasn't lost that many matches. He dropped the title to Angle in a triple threat. He lost to Eddie at NWO. He tapped out to Benoit in the SS match. Can you remember any other occasions?"

- Big Show, Survivor Series
- Angle, March Smackdown in Pittsburgh
- Big Show, two tag matches on Smackdown between May and July
- Angle, Vengeance
- Angle, SummerSlam
- Undertaker, Smackdown after SummerSlam
- Benoit, Survivor Series
- Eddie, tag match before No Way Out
- Eddie, No Way Out

That's at least twice as many jobs as he should've done. All they did is flatten him out and make him just another guy.

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#57 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.21
And if he headn't lost those, he'd have burnt out BEFORE now. And you're listing tag matches! AND the bullshit non-match with Angle before last year's 'Mania! How is it that HHH jobbing in a tag match is meaningless, but for Brock it means the end is nigh?

(edited by oldschoolhero on 9.3.04 1407)


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#58 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.04
I can think of two reasons why Brock shouldn't mind doing the job for Undertaker at least once.

1) Brock's been pushed, from his first day with the company, like almost no one else ever. It wouldn't hurt him to give a little. If he's going to have a career like the Undertaker's had (and any worker should be so lucky), he's got another ten years to win a few matches. Plenty of time.

2) This is probably Taker's last run. He's been a company man, and a main eventer at that, for 13 years. He's done his fair share of jobbing and putting people over himself (including Brock), and he deserves (yes, deserves) to go out with a little glory, a nice, gold-watch run. How many workers can say they've been a company man for 13 years? Not many.



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#59 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.42
All you said is you couldn't remember more than 3, and I gave you 10, a much larger, righter number.
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#60 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by Stilton
    I can think of two reasons why Brock shouldn't mind doing the job for Undertaker at least once.

    1) Brock's been pushed, from his first day with the company, like almost no one else ever. It wouldn't hurt him to give a little. If he's going to have a career like the Undertaker's had (and any worker should be so lucky), he's got another ten years to win a few matches. Plenty of time.

    2) This is probably Taker's last run. He's been a company man, and a main eventer at that, for 13 years. He's done his fair share of jobbing and putting people over himself (including Brock), and he deserves (yes, deserves) to go out with a little glory, a nice, gold-watch run. How many workers can say they've been a company man for 13 years? Not many.

1) Taker has been established as a legend in the company. Brock hasn't. Brock getting the better of Taker adds to his mystique. There's no reason for Brock to "return the job". Taker doesn't need a win over him.

2) What? Who makes up this "fair share of jobbing"? Who, besides Brock, has he put over during the past year or 2? Taker is one of the most protected guys on the roster. He got a title run (back when he was heel), he was booked super strong on SD over the last year, so I don't see how he's been jobbing & putting people over. If anything, they need to start using Taker like that. They've got to use his popularity to start giving guys the rub before he decides to call it a career. John Cena should be at the top of that list.



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