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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
: Seriously think about it...

It would be easier to "think about it" if you gave
the circumstances of each "job" you cited. Were any
of those Undertaker jobs clean?

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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    He knows how to work matches and put people over, but once he puts a few more guys over and everyone knows he can be beaten, what else can the guy do unless he develops a Stone Cold-like following?


I think I must have missed the part where Brock became the jobber de jour on Smackdown given what I'm reading here. He lost once to Angle clean and then came back to win the title within no time.

His putting over of Eddie (following a Goldberg spear) would have had everyone up in arms had his place been taken by, oooh I dunno, Triple H. Incidentally I admire the number of HHH shots that people have brought into a story which has bugger all to do with him, but I digress.

I would argue that following the monster push Brock was brought in with, it was a matter of necessity that they started to show him to have at least some degree of weakness (which is really all they've done).

He went through more or less the entire roster in the lead up to WM 19, and went through them clean as a whistle. If you don't start pulling the reins in a bit on him then sooner or later it just starts to make evryone else look bad.

I really can't imagine Brock being so upset at the possibility of being asked to job to Taker. He's already beaten the guy all ends up and having a clean loss or 2 on his CV won't do him that much harm. Even the much maligned HHH was willing to lay down for a more or less no selling Goldberg.

The whole story strikes me as a way to have a cheap shot at Taker, which while perhaps not entirely unmerited, does nothing to make me pay it any more heed.

    Originally posted by mskkj
    Takers ppv match with Cena was just as much a squash as was Brocks ppv match with Cena. And Taker lost to Brock on ppv in a hell in a cell match. Yet, apparently the backstage is worried because Taker never loses.

    I believe almost none of this


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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95

I think this whole thing is being blown way out of proportion In This Very Thread. *If* we believe everything that pwinsider reported, all we know is:

  • Brock complained about having to fly all the way to S. Africa to wrestle Bob Holly, which is understandable. Hell, I complain about certain aspects of my job all the time, but it doesnt mean that I'm planning on quitting or anything or doing anything rash.

  • He's not looking forward to getting squashed a bunch of times by The Undertaker, also understandable. I dont think any wrestler looks forward to being "fed" to any other wrestler. Big whoop.

  • He's considering taking a break for awhile after WM. Again, nothing wrong with that. Like it's already been mentioned in this thread, main event people take breaks all the time. The sky is not falling.


    A couple more things I'd like to point out here:

  • I really believe that this whole thing is one of those stories that only appears to be a bigger deal than it really is because someone said something about it out loud. If we heard about these complaints from Brock 6 months from now (As in "6 months ago, Brock didnt like having to fly to S. Africa to wrestle Holly, and didnt like having to lose to UT a few times, and was burned out so thats why he took that break after WM"), no one would care. But because pwinsider.com reports it like "OMG LOOKIT WHAT BROCK SAID ABOUT SO-AND-SO!!!", it looks like a huge deal.

  • We all know (or have read) that Goldberg is supposed to be leaving WWE after WM. I dont like how pwinsider put Brock & Goldberg in the same catagory in regards to leaving the company. They make it sould like Brock is gonna quit WWE for good in the beginning of the story, then say he's told some of his friends that he's gonna take some time off to cool down at the end of the story. Big difference there.



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    #24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.33
    "The whole story strikes me as a way to have a cheap shot at Taker, which while perhaps not entirely unmerited, does nothing to make me pay it any more heed."

    A very good point. Taker's probably going to be more over with the general audience than he has been in years for the next coupla months, which means we HAVE to be reminded as to why we should hate him at every turn.

    Now that I think about it...so what if Brock DOES job to 'Taker? He's gotten more than his fair share from him, he's been put over almost EVERYONE on the roster, he's done ONE high-profile one-on-one job that could even be construed as anywhere NEAR clean (last month) in his ENTIRE WWE career. He main-evented WreslteMania within a year of his debut! And on top of that, he's pretty much a lock to be put over one of the most diminant performers of the past decade at this show's big show. The man has been given EVERYTHING. And yes, if it were HHH bitching over how he doesn't want to lay down after Mania, and "I might just take some time off", then I do believe we'd never hear the end of it. As evidenced by the people who've somehow managed to connect him to this story.



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    #25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.79
      Originally posted by dMr


      I think I must have missed the part where Brock became the jobber de jour on Smackdown given what I'm reading here. He lost once to Angle clean and then came back to win the title within no time.

      His putting over of Eddie (following a Goldberg spear) would have had everyone up in arms had his place been taken by, oooh I dunno, Triple H. Incidentally I admire the number of HHH shots that people have brought into a story which has bugger all to do with him, but I digress.

      I would argue that following the monster push Brock was brought in with, it was a matter of necessity that they started to show him to have at least some degree of weakness (which is really all they've done).

      He went through more or less the entire roster in the lead up to WM 19, and went through them clean as a whistle. If you don't start pulling the reins in a bit on him then sooner or later it just starts to make evryone else look bad.


    I agree. Brock has lost a lot in the last year, and justifiably so. Obviously Brock is not unbeatable, but he is tough to beat. That wears thin after a while and, once you tease defeat too often, or go all in and lose to a lot of guys. There has to be something there to keep him going, especially if WWE expects it to be another 5 years.

    You can put someone over without losing to them.

    It will be great if HHH can do for Benoit what Brock did for Eddie.

    (edited by SKLOKAZOID on 8.3.04 1049)
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    #26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
      Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
      I agree. Brock has lost a lot in the last year.


    Um, I was saying exactly the opposite.

    As far as I can remember he lost the title to Angle (triple threat) and quickly won it back, and to Eddie via interference. Other than that he's got a whole bunch of DQ losses to cruiserweights he was to busy disecting to pin.

    He's been made to look a little more vulnerable but he's still booked as arguably the only heel capable of beating anyone of upper-mid card level or higher without resorting to SHENANIGANS.

    As for HHH doing for Benoit what Brock did for Eddie? I doubt very much if we'll see much rejoicing in these parts if Benoit goes over at Backlash following an HBK run in and superkick to HHH, regardless of whether thats the final blow of the fight.
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    #27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
    : Incidentally I admire the number of HHH shots
    : that people have brought into a story which has
    : bugger all to do with him, but I digress.

    Trip and Stephanie are major forces on the WWE
    creative team, so any discussion of WWE booking
    has something to do with them. Ignoring that
    won't fill the empty seats in the upper deck.

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    #28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.33
    Have him go on a losing streak. Hell, have 'Berg beat him at Mania. Taker pins him at Judgement Day. He can lay down for Cena on TV during that time, maybe Angle too. THEN, in the build-up to Vengeance, he just fucking loses it. And THAT'S when his sights turn on the still-WWE Champion Eddie Guerrero. He runs down during a Guerrero promo, maybe, make it the week after he jobs to Angle in a number one contendership match for Vengeance. He just beats the holy Hell out of him, bloodies him, two, three F5s. And then the promo. "YOU. YOU, you pathetic, washed-up, suck-up, LOSER, YOU STARTED ALL OF THIS. You ROBBED me of my championship. You DESTROYED me, pissed on my soul, turned me into a loser, just like you. I want you to hear this, Eddie Guerrero. I'm going to make SURE you keep that championship at Vengeance. And I'm going to make SURE I beat (whomever) in that contender's match, and then...at SummerSlam. I am going. To kill you." A pause. Eerily quiet. "You're going to die".

    And THAT'S how you book the next six months of Brock. He helps Eddie retain at Vengeance, and Angle could get added to the Guerrero/Lesnar SS match, enraging him even more, driving him to just destory both men. They could use all this to so easily make him the monster heel once again. They could even make the ensuing Guerrero/Lesnar rematch next year's WM trump card, if played right.



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    #29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05

      And yes, if it were HHH bitching over how he doesn't want to lay down after Mania, and "I might just take some time off", then I do believe we'd never hear the end of it.

    And rightfully so, since he has political connections to the front office. Any "news" about HHH controlling his character is going to be tainted w/ political reasons. Plus, I highly doubt HHH has to worry about possible damages to his character, so long as he's married to Steph. Brock hasn't buried anyone, hasn't hurt anyone's career by backstage power plays, and went out and jobbed clean to Eddy like a true professional (even if he reportedly didn't like having to lose the title).

    Brock's a bright young star for the company, and he should be worried about how his chacter will be portrayed, since he doesn't have the political ties to use as protection. Look at Jericho - it'll be hard to take him seriously as a ME'er. Look at Angle - he's done a lot of "goofy" stuff, and it has hurt him as a draw, to the point where it's been doubted that he can play a serious ME character (we'll have to see how his current serious turn works).

    And why should Brock return the job to Taker? Taker beat both Brock & Show in that handicap match, that should be enough. It adds to Brock's mystique that he bested Taker in their 1-on-1 matches. I don't see Taker stepping up to job to Cena clean to return the favor.



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    #30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.27
      Originally posted by oldschoolhero
      Have him go on a losing streak. Hell, have 'Berg beat him at Mania. Taker pins him at Judgement Day. He can lay down for Cena on TV during that time, maybe Angle too. THEN, in the build-up to Vengeance, he just fucking loses it. And THAT'S when his sights turn on the still-WWE Champion Eddie Guerrero. He runs down during a Guerrero promo, maybe, make it the week after he jobs to Angle in a number one contendership match for Vengeance. He just beats the holy Hell out of him, bloodies him, two, three F5s. And then the promo. "YOU. YOU, you pathetic, washed-up, suck-up, LOSER, YOU STARTED ALL OF THIS. You ROBBED me of my championship. You DESTROYED me, pissed on my soul, turned me into a loser, just like you. I want you to hear this, Eddie Guerrero. I'm going to make SURE you keep that championship at Vengeance. And I'm going to make SURE I beat (whomever) in that contender's match, and then...at SummerSlam. I am going. To kill you." A pause. Eerily quiet. "You're going to die".

      And THAT'S how you book the next six months of Brock. He helps Eddie retain at Vengeance, and Angle could get added to the Guerrero/Lesnar SS match, enraging him even more, driving him to just destory both men. They could use all this to so easily make him the monster heel once again. They could even make the ensuing Guerrero/Lesnar rematch next year's WM trump card, if played right.


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    #31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.13
      Originally posted by Boston Idol
      : Incidentally I admire the number of HHH shots
      : that people have brought into a story which has
      : bugger all to do with him, but I digress.

      Trip and Stephanie are major forces on the WWE
      creative team, so any discussion of WWE booking
      has something to do with them. Ignoring that
      won't fill the empty seats in the upper deck.

      Frank


    HHH is one of a number of wrestlers (which lately has also included the likes of Jericho and Foley) who has input in creative meetings.

    Offering presumptions on the strength of his role (especially where its based on internet reports) is highly unlikely to fill seats either.
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    #32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.47
    The conspiracy theorist in me believes this story was planted so that perhaps some doubt could cross people's match regarding Lesnar's match at Mania.
    However, if some of it is true, go to the simple philosophy used for decades: Have someone stretcher him out one night. As long as its not Taker or an upper level guy or a retread. Perhaps Cena gets his revenge for his injury by Brock last year. Or a returning Edge takes him out, and fingers Brock as the guy who put him on the shelf last year. Or even give TWGTT a chance to spike piledrive him, thus re-elevating them. Use this as an opportunity to give Lesnar a break and provide credibility to an aspiring mid-carder. However, under no circumstances should they have a returning Taker stretcher Lesnar, as it provides no long term benefit for the company.
    Of course, worst case scenario he is of the Nikita Koloff, Dingbat Warrior, his opponent at Mania, Sid ilk, whereby he ascends quickly and then burns out just as quickly.

    (edited by redsoxnation on 8.3.04 1424)


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    #33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.19

    So after reading all of this, the only thing I can ask is "why in the hell is the Undertaker going back to Smackdown?" ... his Deadman persona fits into the Monday night entertainment aspect so much more than Smackdown ...




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    #34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.79
      Originally posted by dMr
        Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
        I agree. Brock has lost a lot in the last year.


      Um, I was saying exactly the opposite.

      As far as I can remember he lost the title to Angle (triple threat) and quickly won it back, and to Eddie via interference. Other than that he's got a whole bunch of DQ losses to cruiserweights he was to busy disecting to pin.

      He's been made to look a little more vulnerable but he's still booked as arguably the only heel capable of beating anyone of upper-mid card level or higher without resorting to SHENANIGANS.

      As for HHH doing for Benoit what Brock did for Eddie? I doubt very much if we'll see much rejoicing in these parts if Benoit goes over at Backlash following an HBK run in and superkick to HHH, regardless of whether thats the final blow of the fight.


    Ugh, okay, fine. Let's get into the semantics:

      Originally posted by dMr
      I would argue that following the monster push Brock was brought in with, it was a matter of necessity that they started to show him to have at least some degree of weakness (which is really all they've done).

      He went through more or less the entire roster in the lead up to WM 19, and went through them clean as a whistle. If you don't start pulling the reins in a bit on him then sooner or later it just starts to make evryone else look bad.


    There. That's what I was agreeing with. They were "pulling in the reins." He was losing more often. He was showing more weakness. He was showing fear. He was no longer unstoppable. Capable, yes. Fearsome, yes.

    Brock was made to look more vulnerable over the last year, and justifiably so. After his first year in the company, it was time for him to show some more weaknesses. Namely, in his latest feud with Chris Benoit, where he was not only beaten by him at Survivor Series, but also showed fear and Benoit's ability to defeat him with the crossface.

    In my opinion, he has lost a reasonable amount over the last year. I would consider it a lot, for someone with his build-up. That's just my opinion. Yes, he has lost a lot of matches via interference, but that happens quite a bit in WWE anyway. Eddie's win I consider to be mostly clean, since Brock brought the belt into the ring and Goldberg's interference did not play a direct role in the finish. Much like I consider HHH's WMXIX win over Booker to be mostly clean. Yes, there was interference, but the opponent still had a reasonable chance to win even after it.


    And there will be complaining if Benoit goes over at Backlash and not WMXX. At WrestleMania XX, it's supposed to "All Begin. Again," and that is the event where things need to change. WMXX is the top of the mountain. If they wait a month to do it at the next PPV, especially a lower-tier PPV like Backlash, it will only have a personal impact for Benoit and not an overall impact for WWE as a whole. If Benoit does not win at WMXX, he wins a major title match on a minor PPV instead of a major title match at a major PPV. It's like beating the #1 ranked team mid-season, but losing to them at the Super Bowl/World Series/World Cup. Ultimately, what matters is the big championship game.

    (edited by SKLOKAZOID on 8.3.04 1156)
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    #35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.33
    "Yes, he has lost a lot of matches via interference, but that happens quite a bit in WWE anyway."

    BUt that's the point. Even WITH interference, he hasn't lost that many matches. He dropped the title to Angle in a triple threat. He lost to Eddie at NWO. He tapped out to Benoit in the SS match. Can you remember any other occasions?

    "And why should Brock return the job to Taker?"

    I didn't say that he necessarily should, or at least I didn't mean it. What I was shooting for was that it shouldn't be a big deal if Brock loses to Taker, one way or the other. Brock's been a bona fide top-flight player for two years now. He's in a position where its not going to particularly hinder him if he's getting beat by those percieved to be at his level. Austin did it with HHH and Taker. HHH did it with Rock and Undertaker. Rock did it with all of 'em, and Brock to boot. It just shouldn't be a bone of contention for either side of the fight, ya know?



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    #36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.89
      Originally posted by oldschoolhero
      BUt that's the point. Even WITH interference, he hasn't lost that many matches. He dropped the title to Angle in a triple threat. He lost to Eddie at NWO. He tapped out to Benoit in the SS match. Can you remember any other occasions


    Tapped out to Angle at Summerslam. And he was the one that was pinned at the triple threat.
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    #37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.13
      Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
      And there will be complaining if Benoit goes over at Backlash and not WMXX. At WrestleMania XX, it's supposed to "All Begin. Again," and that is the event where things need to change. WMXX is the top of the mountain. If they wait a month to do it at the next PPV, especially a lower-tier PPV like Backlash, it will only have a personal impact for Benoit and not an overall impact for WWE as a whole. If Benoit does not win at WMXX, he wins a major title match on a minor PPV instead of a major title match at a major PPV.


    I used Backlash to further the Eddie/Brock analogy, given that Eddie went over at a 'minor' ppv.

    My own personal view is that putting Benoit over in Edmonton would ensure a far bigger pop not only because its in his home town, but also because he would have been part of a more prolonged bona fide chase for the title. That would allow him a stronger platform from which to embark on what will probably be a relatively short reign.

    I take your point about WM being the biggest show (and arguably as a result it could provide a stronger still platform) but while I understand it, its just not a view that I share.
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    #38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.80
    I'm not that upset about the idea of a UT/Lesnar feud - they're both "monsters" of a sort, and this would be a good way to have Lesner shown as thinking his way through the feud. (I.E. How do you stop a dead man? One that beat Kane at WM?)

    As to the rest of the story - if true, it's not completely surprising. There were a few stories like this about Lesnar back when he was in OVW, so this doesn't sound like anything new. He does seem to be finally winning people over though, so it's a shame if he throws a wrench into it.

    But, overall, it's probably much ado about very little. Probably Lesnar said, "I want a month off after WM to get back into the swing of things." And that's it.
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    #39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.04
    I don't think they would need to gussy up much of a storyline to excuse Brock from action for a little while. A simple "taking some time off to relax and find himself" would do the trick, and allow for character changes when he returns, if needed. "I've been doing a little soul-searching..." etc.

    Brock shouldn't be too pissed about being expected to some business for Taker after Mania. Taker won't be back for very long, and I'm sure he'll be doing his share of business on the way out, and probably put Brock over for his troubles while he's at it, much like the way Hogan passed the torch to Warrior.



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    #40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.47
      Originally posted by Stilton
      Taker won't be back for very long, and I'm sure he'll be doing his share of business on the way out, and probably put Brock over for his troubles while he's at it, much like the way Hogan passed the torch to Warrior.






    I'll believe Taker's gone when he doesn't appear for a few years. This last run will be his last run until he decides the fans need the nostalgic Biker Taker return.
    And, in hindsight, Hogan didn't pass the torch to Dingbat. He let him hold it for him while he took a nap. And then he took it back as quick as he could.



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