"Oh yeah...!" ah damn. Well...they destroyed the idea of "monster" Brock Lesnar...then agian I'm not sure how Show won(I don't have the ppv)
So I'll shut up now :)
(edited by shinstrife on 17.11.02 1828) Mattitude(ma't-e-toodeh'): Mattitude, is something that can not be taught or learned. Mattitude is something that burns within. In the ring, Mattitude is the intangible, the x-factor, that gives Matt Hardy Ver.1 an advantage over everyone else.
Originally posted by oldschoolheroDo shut up. That match was booked to perfection.
If you're going to run around criticizing everyone else's opinion, at least get their opinion right. Where in the hell did I criticize that particular match? I simply said that I'm not looking forward to another month of Big Show hype on SmackDown and another Big Show WWE championship match at the next PPV.
Brock looked great suplexing Show left and right. The F5 WAS truly awesome. But having the Show win the title? I just don't know. He's not a compelling enough character for me to get behind. He has no heel charisma. However, they could book this so that Heyman could be the one who has awoken the Show from his slump and build him as an unstoppable monster like Yoko. I could dig that.
Well here's the deal. Big Show HAS to be the person to wrestle Lesnar at the next ppv, who else is there?
Eddie? Tag Team Champion Edge? Tag Team Chapion's feud Rey Mysterio Jr.? ditto Benoit? Has to feud with Angle next Angle? Has to feud with Benoit next Undertaker? Already did that for two months.
So who is he supposed to wrestle if he did defeat the Big Show? Ron Simmons? Kidman?
Only possible scenarios for Armageddon is either a Big Show vs. Lesnar rematch, which would make sense for Big Show to win, because if Lesnar won, why have a rematch?
Or UT vs. Big Show. UT needs to get revenge for getting thrown off the stage. Lesnar could use a month off for his injury. And Lesnar getting his title back would be better at a big ppv like Royal Rumble than it would be at Armageddon.
Why exactly does the Big Show have to be a compelling character that you have to support? Last time I checked, he's a BAD GUY!! I don't remember anybody thinking the Iron Sheik was cool. Nobody lined up to give King Kong Bundy his "props." Nobody liked Andre the Giant until he turned face. How about Owen Hart? He sure wasn't a cool, loveable guy on screen. Sid? Jim Cornette? Bam Bam Bigalow? No way were they ever thought up as people to support. But they did their jobs. Which is to piss people off and hope and pray that somebody will put them in their place. Defining the role of a heel. Brock Lesnar will punk out Big Show in his good sweet time, just wait.
Don't forget that the sheep liked Big Show when he was a face too. Remember Showster? Remember when Big Show would point at the turnbuckle like he was going to fly off it. He (almost) never did, but the crowd popped anyway. Don't take away from the fact that Paul Wight can get a reaction.
We've all been spoiled in the last five years by having all our heels be the uber-cool "don't you wanna be him" type. Well, welcome back to professional wrestling, where our villans are immovable objects and our heroes actually have to work for a while before taking it out.
Well, I think big heel characters have to have a certain type of charisma. I was a kid when the Sheik and Bundy were around, but I had their big rubber LJN figures and always had them (along with Big John Studd) work over Hogan. I would say they had some kind of magic that made them seem dastardly. I think the problem with the Show is that he's had an insane amount of heel/face turns and has never been in a decent angle except for the one from Royal Rumble with the Rock. That's my problem with him. For the record, I did love Owen. I loved Jim C. Sid was a badass...screamed myself hoarse cheering for him at a house show. Bam Bam was good when he was motivated, but otherwise vanilla.
Yeah because Sid was such a huge draw. I wonder how the locker room feels about a lazy, unmotivated slob that had to be sent to OVW to try and get his ego in check getting another push and lucking into a title reign because Brock is hurt?
Big Show doesn't need to be cool but he needs to be compelling. I seriously doubt that people will be running to Ticketmaster now that Big Show is the champ. If Big Show's title run sets the world on fire, I'll eat my words.
I don't think there is anything wrong with the Big Show winning. All need needs to do is a kip up and his moonsault and everyone will stop bitching. There is a Smackdown lockerroom that will see to it that TBS won't go the way of Kevin Nash.
If Big Show's title run sets the world on fire, I'll eat my words.
Because we all know Chris Jericho's title reign was an eye-opener. Oooh, and how great were Angle's title reigns? And somebody help me, because I can't sleep just imagining how many (non IWC) people would be lining up in the street to see WWE champion Chris Benoit!
Jericho and Angle were booked to fail. The numbers weren't falling during their title reigns. If Big Show is scooping Stephanie's dog poop, hardly ever on TV, has to cheat to beat Maven and booked like a midcarder then I won't hold him responsible.
Who said Benoit should be champion? Not me. What's with this IWC crap? You're on the internet so you're part of the "Internet Wrestling Community."
SSS: Do you actually enjoy watching the Big Show or are you just being contrary?
Heels should be compelling. All characters should be compelling. Sure, heels shouldn't have to get crowd support, but they should be able to grab the audience's attention. If people were hating Show because he was so evil and powerful, that would be fine. If they were chanting "asshole" at him instead of "boring," there would probably be fewer complaints.
Also, there's nothing wrong with heels being thought of as cool, and I'm not sure I understand what you mean by us being spoiled by them. So the quality is going to go down now but nobody should whine about it, because the last five years was just the WWF/E giving us more than we deserved? And those years weren't really professional wrestling, but this is? I dunno, I think Flair was a pretty cool heel back in the day.
Also, Kurt Angle's first title run was very successful. His win at No Mercy had a much higher buyrate than the NM's the years before and after. All during his reign there were high buyrates and I think (though I haven't checked) high ratings as well. Probably the last really good period for the company before Austin turned heel and things started to go sour. In any case, it was a lot more successful than the Big Show's title reign. Jericho's sucked, and we could argue till we're blue in the face whose fault it was and a dozen people would probably start popping off conspiracy theories. Bringing up Benoit is a total straw man and has nothing to do with the price of eggs in Alaska.
Honestly, I don't care about the Big Show very much, and I think a whole lot of people agree with me. I liked his bits on SNL the first time the Rock hosted, but that was two and a half years ago. The big goofy Show period wasn't that entertaining either; people still rave about the Showster but forget his awful fat bastard impersonation and that random viking thing he did. He doesn't do anything particularly vicious or brutal looking or impressive, and his low pitched yelling doesn't make me fear or despise or admire his character. He just sort of annoys me, and he and Al Wilson are the only two things on Smackdown that will make me channel surf for ten minutes.
I realize it's the WWE's decision to make based on their business sense, and if he makes them a lot of money it will be the right decision. With Paul Heyman as a mouthpiece, I'll probably keep watching even when he's on the screen. Maybe he'll even start picking it up in the ring and get me personally interested. But he's been really boring for a few years now and I completely sympathize with the people who would rather not see him as champion.
Well I don't know if from a business POV, Benoit should be Champion. But I'd love it if he was. Do we have to root for WWE to make the best business decisions? Or are we still allowed to root for our favorites just because we like them?
Originally posted by fuelinjectedBig Show doesn't need to be cool but he needs to be compelling. I seriously doubt that people will be running to Ticketmaster now that Big Show is the champ.
You know what? I feel you're looking at this the wrong way. Maybe no one will line up because Show is the champ. BUT...people will line up because there's a chance that they may see Show NOT be the champ...people are going to want to see him get beat, and that will sell tickets.
I laugh at danger! Then I hide until it goes away.
Originally posted by oldschoolheroDo shut up. That match was booked to perfection.
Sure... the guy who beat The Rock, Hogan, and UnderTaker, was beat in less than 4 MINUTES...the man who was supposed to be "THE" UNSTOPPABLE force, loses to the guy who injured him legit(nice punishment Wight got there). Way to kill the heat...it's only a matter of time before we see a finger-poke of doom in WWE soon.
Since the belt isn't really defended much on free TV anymore, why couldn't they just have Lesnar win by DQ, when the Big Slow hit him with the chair. then they could further it by Lesnar getting "injured" by the Big Show. He could take some time to heal(if it's a cracked rib, it most likely would take much less than 6 weeks), and come back bigger than ever...yes, it's like a TV angle, but it's MUCH better than what they did.
Oh yeah. I had totally forgotten about the Luger and Tank Abbott situation, and I had never heard of the plan for Ludvig Borga to be WWF champion. Now that would be messed up. Makes you wonder where he would be today if he was a former WWF champion.