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#1 Posted on
Well, it appears the Bungles have benched Akili Smith (again). Here's a creative idea for the team, put Mike Brown in as QB. He's done such a great job as GM all these years, he would be the perfect fit for the QB position. And, since he's ownership, he couldn't get benched, much like he can't get fired as GM.



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Better yet, contract the Bengals. It'll solve all of baseball's economic problems...

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#3 Posted on
Hey Yo...

Last time I checked Mike Brown doesn't play football. Nice try, but maybe the players should blame themselves. The Bengals were supposed to be good this year. They have players at every position but QB that SHOULD make big plays and produce every week.

Don't blame Mike Brown. Me, I blame the coach's and the players. Period. Brown's an owner. Distinguish between the two. The only thing Mike Brown should have to answer for is why their good players and mediocre coach's can't win a damn game.

I'm Kitna all the way, right now. He's better than Frerrotte and Smith. Period. Look at his numbers. Hopefull he can turn this team around, but not too much. If Eli Manning goes pro I want to see him suit up under a Bengals uniform.



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Yep, Mike Brown is the most overused, lame excuse in the book. There's a reason a lot of people were picking this team as a sleeper this year and the PLAYERS and COACHES screwed it up.



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#5 Posted on
I maintain that a huge part of the problem IS Mike Brown. Two reasons:

1) As the owner, he's surely whispering in Lebeau's ear and making a bad coach even worse.

2) In terms of talent, there really isn't anyone on offense aside from Akili (and he's now so badly damaged that he'll never realize his potential), Lorenzo Neal, and Corey Dillon; everybody else is at best second-string anywhere else, either due to age (Richmond Webb), attitude problems (Michael Westbrook), or other reasons. Now, a COMPETENT GM would've done something, ANYTHING to improve his offense. Yes, Brown's operating on a smaller budget than most teams, but I think having the smallest scouting staff in the league not only hinders his ability to find players, it also contributes to the coaching ineptitude. And scouts cost a LOT less than players and DO have impact on team performance. And guess who decided to go with that miniscule scouting staff. Hint: it was neither the coaching staff nor the players.

Deion, BHSR, I respect your opinions on this matter. I'm just saying that Mike Brown is FAR from blameless for this dreadful team.
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Mike Brown may not play football but he did put this team together. The team has been bad for so long you can no longer blame the coach but the man who but this team together.





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Hey Yo...

You're all just jealous. Jealous because the Bengals have agood team and are shitty and you wish you WERE a Bengals fan. It's all good.

Oh, and you forgot Warrick, he's good. TJ Houshmanzadeh is a hell of a reciever, not including those two shows you don't know this team.

And what's so bad about putting a team together of good players? They're the ones losing, they're the ones who aren't playing up to their potential, what's he supposed to do, scrap it and fire them all?

Oh and Akili looked like doodoo on Sunday. I can't wait until they get rid of that dude. He's a bitch. Good in preseason does not equal good in real games. Kitna is a winner, at least based on his stat's last season. And those last two games that guy was looking kinda' awesome.

I'm a fan. I don't blame owners for coaching and playing mistakes. Especially since you guys probably are regurgitating something you read on ESPN.com or various other sporting sights.




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#8 Posted on

    Originally posted by WhoBettahThanDeion
    You're all just jealous. Jealous because the Bengals have agood team and are shitty and you wish you WERE a Bengals fan. It's all good.

    Oh, and you forgot Warrick, he's good. TJ Houshmanzadeh is a hell of a reciever, not including those two shows you don't know this team.

    And what's so bad about putting a team together of good players? They're the ones losing, they're the ones who aren't playing up to their potential, what's he supposed to do, scrap it and fire them all?

    Oh and Akili looked like doodoo on Sunday. I can't wait until they get rid of that dude. He's a bitch. Good in preseason does not equal good in real games. Kitna is a winner, at least based on his stat's last season. And those last two games that guy was looking kinda' awesome.

    I'm a fan. I don't blame owners for coaching and playing mistakes. Especially since you guys probably are regurgitating something you read on ESPN.com or various other sporting sights.




Considering this is a dozen years in a row that the Bengals have been hideous, perhaps the players aren't good, and the person making the picks is clueless. I mean, who was it that picked the Hall of Fame QB's Klingler and Akili in the first round?



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#9 Posted on
    Originally posted by WhoBettahThanDeion
    I don't blame owners for coaching and playing mistakes.

You don't blame owners? Hey, how do those coaches get their jobs? Is it some kind of feudal inheritence, father to oldest son, or something? No, the blameless owners choose the coaches. And the general manager (who in Cincinnati's case is also the owner) is usually the one in charge of drafting players and signing free agents and stuff. But of course there's no way the owners could be at fault.

Edit: If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say there was no mention of Houshmanzadeh because no one knew how to spell it. Just like I try to avoid spelling Biakabatuka, Gbaja-Biamila, and Fumatau-Ma'afala as much as possible.

(edited by Mr. Boffo on 3.10.02 1144)


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jeezum spice, there's more things wrong with Westbrook than attitude problems. he has a glass jaw, hamstring, ankles, and everything in between.

i think out of all his years in Washington, he had 1 healthy year. When i heard he got injured in preseason, i was not suprised. it's not a matter IF he will get injured, it's just a matter WHEN he will injure himself. don't get me started on Gus "Bonk's revenge" Ferrotte



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#11 Posted on

    Originally posted by WhoBettahThanDeion
    You're all just jealous. Jealous because the Bengals have agood team and are shitty and you wish you WERE a Bengals fan. It's all good.

    Oh, and you forgot Warrick, he's good. TJ Houshmanzadeh is a hell of a reciever, not including those two shows you don't know this team.

    And what's so bad about putting a team together of good players? They're the ones losing, they're the ones who aren't playing up to their potential, what's he supposed to do, scrap it and fire them all?

    Oh and Akili looked like doodoo on Sunday. I can't wait until they get rid of that dude. He's a bitch. Good in preseason does not equal good in real games. Kitna is a winner, at least based on his stat's last season. And those last two games that guy was looking kinda' awesome.

    I'm a fan. I don't blame owners for coaching and playing mistakes. Especially since you guys probably are regurgitating something you read on ESPN.com or various other sporting sights.



Ah, how clever. Making unfounded assumptions about who is a fan and who isn't. And "jealous because the Bengals have a good team?" Are you talking about the Bengals in the NFL? Because this team is, with very few exceptions, bad from the front office down to the punter.

I have lived in Cincinnati all my life. I've watched the Bengals whenever possible in those 28 years. I've seen bad Bengals players and coaches paraded in front of me for years, all of them brought in by Mike Brown. I have been squawking about the hapless Mike Brown every football season for the past ten or so years, and I didn't even start reading anything about football except the sports page until about a year ago. Hard to regurgitate what others have said when you were largely unaware of what they'd said. I'm just continuing to point out independently a fact that others just happened to see as well.

A team does NOT stay this bad for twelve straight years if the blame were solely on the heads of the coaches and players. Such prolonged ineptitude means that the person putting together the teams is at least in large part to blame. If NOTHING else, you must admit that Brown cannot hire decent coaches, even if you ignore his awful record as GM.

As for TJ and Warrick, and your totally baseless allegation that I don't know this team: it's damn difficult to judge a receiver's talents when no one can get him the damn ball. Now, with a decent GM, perhaps the Bengals would have a QB who could throw nice passes and maybe those two would get a chance to shine. Sure, I've seen each make some good plays, but neither have been very consistent, which I will admit is as much the QB's fault as it is theirs. Thusfar, I haven't seen much of anything from either of them. Until they show me something, though, they'll remain average players in my eyes.

I tried to have a friendly debate about this. I tried to keep things civil, and you opted to start flaming people who disagreed with you. Why do you have such hostility towards people with an opinion that varies from yours? It's unnecessary, and frankly, it shows that your argument doesn't work. If it did, you wouldn't have to resort to insults, because the argument would stand by itself.
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Okay, I'm not going to take the Deion route here, I just want to say this: every year for the past 5-6 years, there's been a general feeling that "THIS" could be the year the Bengals turn it around. Every year they seem to have a lot of promise, people seem to feel good about their chances before the season starts and then it begins and they go down in flames. Now, does some of this blame fall on Mike Brown, sure it does, but it's not like he's never won as the GM. (He was the GM when they went to the Super Bowl in 88 and had the most power in the orginization, that seems to get forgotten). However, he clearly needs to give that job up and if his recent comments are any indication, he's considering it. But, to only blame Mike Brown in this fiasco is not fair. It's so easy to say "oh, look at Mike Brown, drafting Akili Smith! AHAHAHAHAHAHA!" Well, guess what? There's about 5 other teams that would have drafted that guy in that spot if they had the chance. The guy has been a major bust and that can ONLY be blamed on the coaches who prepare him and the player himself. Now, as for this current coaching staff, I say fire em all. Last year they didn't look nearly this bad, in fact, they were 6-10 and were in almost every other game they played. This year they're straight AWFUL. They've taken a step backward and it's all due to bad coaching. Mike Brown does not have that much say in who plays, that's been acknowledged by Sports Illustrated. LeBeau has almost all say in that area and he made the bonehead move of not giving the job to Kitna in the first place. Go to Bengals.com and read some of his quotes this week. You'll shake your head and yell "WHY THE HELL DIDN'T YOU START HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE THEN!" He talks about how Kitna knows the offense best and clearly gives them the best chance to win, etc. Hell, the offensive coordinator (while he was staying out of jail) even wanted Kitna to start. But, nope, LeBeau had to give it to the fresh new face with the smallest contract (so it's not money driving it) of the 3 QB's. Furthermore, it's easy to say the offense was overrated now, but a lot of people liked this team before the season started. They were on just about EVERY sleeper list and several people picked them to make the playoffs, which mean Mike Brown has done the best he could do in his current situation. You have to admit they've changed recently. They've began to bring people in, they've spent more on scouting, they've improved their front office in a lot of way, but players shun the Bengals because they are the Bengals and a new GM is not going to change that. The ONLY way that's going to happen is when the players start playing up to their potential and start winning games. This team is talented, sure their QB position isn't great, but Frerotte and Kitna have made the playoffs in other cities. Their defense is good, very good, but they can't keep them off the field. Every game you watch you get the disturbing feeling that this team wasn't prepared. Hell, the last 2 games, the opposing teams coordinators have been laughing at the Bengals, and I don't blame them. All I'm trying to say is the pieces are in place. For a great team? No. For a good team? Yes. And it's easy to blame Mike Brown, but he's in the same position we are. He saw what the team did last year, there was no reason to make any changes in the coaching staff after last season. They did their best to get a QB, but were shunned by their top options (I'm not going to explain Bledsoe again, I'm tired of the Bengals being blamed on that one). Now, this team has come out and laid one big egg and it's hard to argue that changing coaching staffs NOW is going to help anything. So, does Mike Brown deserve blame? Damn right, but he sure as hell doesn't deserve all of it, not even close.

And in the current state of the NFL, it's not easy to just rip a team up and, yes, believe it or not, the Bengals are capped out just like every other team.

(edited by BobHollySTILLRules on 3.10.02 1551)


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For those of you who don't know who TJ Houshmandzadeh is, let alone know of his greatness, here are his stats. He is 6-1, 197, in his second year out of Oregon State. He was a seventh round draft pick and wears #84. He wrote a small article for The Sporting News a few weeks ago, saying he liked watching Monday Night Football and wondered why the Bengals were never on it. He started one game as a rookie, and caught 21 passes for 228 yards last year. So far this year, he has started once, and has 12 catches for 141 yards. He has never caught a touchdown, and his long gain is 23 yards.

TJ Houshmandzadeh, one hell of a wide reciever.





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I dont know how anyone could defend Mike Brown at this point. Its not just that he cant choose a coach or players. The entire organization sucks. The Bengals have been reprimanded twice in the last two years for the poor condition of their playing field by the NFL. IN A BRAND NEW STADIUM. Thats inexcusable. Especially since its a football only venue. Former players harp on how cheap the team is all the time. Ki-Jana Carter said he bought the team a set of towels because the team didnt provide them in the traing rooms. Thats pathetic. Throw on the fact they cant hire a decent coach, and they cant draft worth a damn, and thats why you can say its time for the team to be sold to someone who can turn things around. Because Mike Brown aint doing the job.



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I am sorry but any team that sets a record for most losses in a decade sucks. I can understand a string of bad years after all my favorite teams in order are Detroit, Tampa, and New Orleans so I am used to dissapointment. But to be bad for 12 straight years mean that there is problems in the whole organazation.
My opinion on the QB is to start Kitna. He might not be great but he probably won't cost the Bengals too many games. But Smith needs to get some confidence and needs to get his attitude in place.
Someone else said somewhere that Cincinatti can't draft so they should trade their picks for free agents. Sounds like it might work. Of course it could end up hurting them too.



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Hey Yo...

All scarcasm aside. I'll say this.

Last Sunday the Bengals made the right choice. Kitna knows the offense and is what they need at this point. Sunday the Bengals looked like an NFL team, and for once this season, I don't think the Buckeye's could have tooken them. And, playing as a team, the Bengals FINALLY got screwed by a few bad calls. Consider me on Kitna's side. I just hope they can continue playing as well as they did, then they're on their way to a win sooner than later. I only wish Pittsburgh/Cincinatti was televised (they finally look like a team and appear to start a turnaround and they're NOT on!? Not FAIR!). Oh, well...

And, I don't give a damn if the team sucks. I'm a fan. Period. Them being shitty doesn't stop me from rooting for them. Sure, I won't buy as much merchandise or be AS excited, but I'm still a fan dammit. And, I bought a NEW Bengals hat today. Saw it, couldn't help it. Like I said, I'm a fan. I want this team to succeed.

And I apologize for being an ass. Yes, it IS frustrating. But, I can't add anything else than I've already said.

EDIT: After thinking some more on this, the Bengals need to send Warrick packing, I think the guy's trash. Houshmandzadeh and Johnson, Dillon, Takeo and Justin Smith. THESE guys need to be the heart of this team. I'm sick and tired of seeing Warrick get a good catch and then not hearing his name the rest of the game. And LEARN your routes, guys. PLEASE?

(edited by WhoBettahThanDeion on 7.10.02 2244)


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#17 Posted on

    Originally posted by WhoBettahThanDeion
    All scarcasm aside. I'll say this.

    Last Sunday the Bengals made the right choice. Kitna knows the offense and is what they need at this point. Sunday the Bengals looked like an NFL team, and for once this season, I don't think the Buckeye's could have tooken them. And, playing as a team, the Bengals FINALLY got screwed by a few bad calls. Consider me on Kitna's side. I just hope they can continue playing as well as they did, then they're on their way to a win sooner than later. I only wish Pittsburgh/Cincinatti was televised (they finally look like a team and appear to start a turnaround and they're NOT on!? Not FAIR!). Oh, well...

    And, I don't give a damn if the team sucks. I'm a fan. Period. Them being shitty doesn't stop me from rooting for them. Sure, I won't buy as much merchandise or be AS excited, but I'm still a fan dammit. And, I bought a NEW Bengals hat today. Saw it, couldn't help it. Like I said, I'm a fan. I want this team to succeed.

    And I apologize for being an ass. Yes, it IS frustrating. But, I can't add anything else than I've already said.

    EDIT: After thinking some more on this, the Bengals need to send Warrick packing, I think the guy's trash. Houshmandzadeh and Johnson, Dillon, Takeo and Justin Smith. THESE guys need to be the heart of this team. I'm sick and tired of seeing Warrick get a good catch and then not hearing his name the rest of the game. And LEARN your routes, guys. PLEASE?

    (edited by WhoBettahThanDeion on 7.10.02 2244)





In one week Warrick went from a Great NFL talent to trash?



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Hey Yo...

What? You had to qoute my whole post to get that crummy one liner off? (claps hands)

First off, I've been hating on Warrick since the season started. Unfortunately, the general consensus is the guy would be good anywhere but Cincinatti. I'm not so sure. I personally hate the guy right now, but if the average fan thinks he's good, then it's not my problem. Sure, you can go back, cut and past the last thing I said about him, but that'd be a big waste of your time AND mine. I like Housh and Johnson. Unfortunately Housh was subscribing to the same magic tricks Warrick does last game. Sign Takeo, get rid of Warrick, that message is clear.

Warrick was awesome in college. Now, he's majorly below subpar.



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You know whats sad? That Cincy will have the first overall pick this year and take Byron Leftwich. And poor Byron, who could have been a great NFL QB, will be out of football in 4 years due to injury.

What people seem to forget in Bungle land is that in order to be successful you have have to BLOCK FOR THE QUARTERBACK. The Bungles have not blocked well for 10 years. If you can't protect the QB you can't win!

I would also point out at how could Corey Dillon has been for the last 5 years without an offensive line. Could you imagine how good he would be with 5 guys blocking for him? His name would be mentioned with the greats if he would have got the hell out of Cincy and to a team with a line.



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Going up a couple of posts, and tieing a few things together. Bledsoe & the Bungals would NOT have made a good match. The WR's are not nearly as good as Moulds, Price, and Reed, and the line can barely sustain a lookout block.



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