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Since: 17.3.02
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/story?id=1563894

After reading this article on espn.com, I am amazed at the audacity of golf "pro" John Riegger. For those who haven't read the article or haven't heard the story, Riegger challenged Sorenstam to an 18 hole stroke play. He says he's willing to front 1 million dollars because of comments Sorenstam made in a press conference stating "that if she played 30 events on the tour she could finish the top 100 on the money list". This guy claims to be in the 126-150 range in terms of winnings per year, although espn is quick to point out that his highest finish was 140 in 2001. Sounds to me that he's more in the 140-150 range. This seems to me to be a pathetic attempt by a sub-par (pun intended) golf pro to make a name for himself before he figures out that swinging his stick at the little white ball is no longer profitable. Sorenstam is not just some female golf pro. This is so stupid for so many reasons. Next thing you know, some jackass tennis pro who is ranked 140th on the tour will decide to challenge Serena Williams.
Sorenstam has nothing to gain by accepting this chump's challenge. She already is a name in the golf world. This guy doesn't have anything to lose, so of course he's gonna make some bullshit challenge. I hope she actually goes through with it and beats his sorry ass around the course. It will be funny to see how he looks after he has paid back his financial supporters in Vegas *coughMafiacough*.



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Hey let him do it. No skin off my back. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised ESPN or FoxSports fronted the money to put it on TV.



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#3 Posted on

    Originally posted by Kidbrooklyn
    Next thing you know, some jackass tennis pro who is ranked 140th on the tour will decide to challenge Serena Williams.


This is where I have to disagree. I think the 140th-ranked male tennis player would wipe Serena out, because she would have to deal with his power and speed. Annika, however, has to play against the golf course. She doesn't have to directly physically match up with her opponent.

I think Annika would be able to make it into the top 100 if she played 30 events. All it takes is 4 or 5 top 20-30 finishes to make enough dough to do it. If she played in a lower-level tourney (like the one they have while all of the good/great players are playing in the British Open) she could even finish higher than that.



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Since: 2.1.02
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#4 Posted on
Riegger is from Metropolis, IL which is about 15 minutes from where I live, so he receives a bit of publicity in the local paper. (Although another PGA veteran, Russ Cochran, is from the town I live in and the currently "en fuego" Kenny Perry graduated from high school here, so he only gets the scraps.) Annika would probably torch him. He is as obscure as professional golfers come, with a career best finish of 8th. From all accounts that I've heard he is pretty much a prima donna whose butt can't cash the checks his mouth writes. With that said, he'd demolish me and my 16 handicap, but then again I wouldn't challenge a golfer who is clearly out of my league.
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    Originally posted by JayJayDean

      Originally posted by Kidbrooklyn
      Next thing you know, some jackass tennis pro who is ranked 140th on the tour will decide to challenge Serena Williams.


    This is where I have to disagree. I think the 140th-ranked male tennis player would wipe Serena out, because she would have to deal with his power and speed.



Two words: Bobby Riggs.

And Serena herself isn't what you'd call a finesse player -- have you seen her biceps? HER power and speed are what make her so successful. I'm not saying that she'd be a lock if she entered Wimbledon on the men's side, but she'd certainly be a threat to many.






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#6 Posted on

    Originally posted by vsp

      Originally posted by JayJayDean

        Originally posted by Kidbrooklyn
        Next thing you know, some jackass tennis pro who is ranked 140th on the tour will decide to challenge Serena Williams.


      This is where I have to disagree. I think the 140th-ranked male tennis player would wipe Serena out, because she would have to deal with his power and speed.



    Two words: Bobby Riggs.

    And Serena herself isn't what you'd call a finesse player -- have you seen her biceps? HER power and speed are what make her so successful. I'm not saying that she'd be a lock if she entered Wimbledon on the men's side, but she'd certainly be a threat to many.





Bobby Riggs was 55 when he played Billie Jean King. 55! I hardly think that, despite the historical event it was, a woman playing and beating a 55-year-old man is comparable to one playing the 140th-ranked tennis player currently on tour.



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Since: 27.2.03
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#7 Posted on
The Williams sisters suck. The only reason that they keep winning is because the other women player suck just as bad, but don't have the power game to keep up. If Lindsey Davinport would step up, she's got the best game of the bunch, but she keeps choking.
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Since: 28.1.02
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#8 Posted on
I think the Bobby Riggs analogy is key here. Bobby Riggs was much lower on the scale when he challenged King. She was the top player on the circuit, but Bobby wasn't even playing pro tennis at the time, he was just a hustler. You put Annika against Jack Nickolus (OK, I spelled that wrong) and it would be similar.

That being said, Riegger is a player and a fair one at that. I think he'd beat her 8 out of ten matches.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00

    Originally posted by Tenken347
    The Williams sisters suck. The only reason that they keep winning is because the other women player suck just as bad, but don't have the power game to keep up. If Lindsey Davinport would step up, she's got the best game of the bunch, but she keeps choking.


Do you even watch women's tennis? Davenport? You're crazy. I loathe the Williams sisters, but as of right now, they are untouchable in women's tennis. Granted, they're both out of the French right now, but that has nothing to do with their overall dominance. Hingis had the best game of the bunch. I have never seen a tennis player like her. The ease in which she disposed of her opponents was awe inspiring. Not to mention the fact that she looked bored while doing it. Then her feet got fucked. The rest is history. We can debate for hours how far she would have gone had it not been for her injury, but no one knows for sure.

Serena Williams would destroy Eric Taino in a singles match. According to espn, he's the 137th ranked player on the ATP tour.



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Since: 4.1.02
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
In regards to Serena, I guess we can say that Justine Henin might be a threat now.

As for Annika, I hardly think she'd take this dumbass up on his offer. Playing in a team match with Woods, Duval and Karrie Webb is one thing, but to go directly against a guy where "gender is on the line"? If Annika didn't like the pressure of the Colonial, this would be much worse.

That being said, if they played ten rounds, Annika would work Riegger at least 7-8 of them.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.03

I remember reading an article in S.I. (I think) about ten years ago talking about how men were approaching many of the theoretical limits on human performance in Olympic-style events. The major corollary of this was that the women have a lot more room to grow and that they were making up the distance in many sports already. The upshot was a couple scientists who were positing that the women would not just catch the men, but eventually surpass the men in most of the events which require more than brute strength.

The next 50 years are likely to bring more of this. Who's to say that someday the gap isn't so narrow that separating sports by sex won't happen anymore?

That all said, I think Serena has overall a better chance against the #140 male tennis player than Annika does against the #140 golfer. No matter what the situation in terms of pin placements and distances, I don't think Annika's putting is good enough.

Serena, on the other hand, put up against any male outside the top 100 who doesn't have a huge Krajicek-style serve-and-volley game would do quite well, I think. Her footspeed is insane, her power is respectable for male or female, and she will not be intimidated. In tennis as in curling the women already play a more aesthetic game with more finesse. Serena easily on clay, not quite so easily on grass, and a push on hardcourt.

Ivan Lendl was built like a woman and he owned the circuit for half a decade. Sampras ain't huge (granted he's tall and lanky, giving him plenty of leverage). McEnroe? Please! He's a classic little man.




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Since: 2.1.02
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#12 Posted on
I think that Annika's putting would be just as good if not better than Riegger's. I have seen the stats that show the the PGA players are better putters than the LPGA players (by a slim, but statistically significant, margin). I'm not sure that I would even say that Riegger is # 140, that's just his best ever finish on the money list. I would be willing to guess that Annika's handicap is lower than Riegger's and handicaps are about as impartial as you can get. Granted, there would be the variables of rough length (though Annika doesn't miss many fairways) and green speed (how would greens on the Nationwide tour -where Riegger primarily competes- compare on the "Stimp meter" to the greens on the LPGA tour)?

I agree that the top men's players are better than the top women's players in tennis and golf, but I just can't shake the feeling that the Williams sisters and Annika are getting short-changed just a little bit here.
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Since: 2.1.02
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#13 Posted on
    Originally posted by tarnish

    That all said, I think Serena has overall a better chance against the #140 male tennis player than Annika does against the #140 golfer. No matter what the situation in terms of pin placements and distances, I don't think Annika's putting is good enough.

    Serena, on the other hand, put up against any male outside the top 100 who doesn't have a huge Krajicek-style serve-and-volley game would do quite well, I think. Her footspeed is insane, her power is respectable for male or female, and she will not be intimidated. In tennis as in curling the women already play a more aesthetic game with more finesse. Serena easily on clay, not quite so easily on grass, and a push on hardcourt.man.



I don't think a top-140 ATP tour member is going to be bothered by Serena's 115-mph first serve when the guys on tour hit into the 130s. That's the big problem I have with the whole "Serena-can-beat-a-guy" thing. I also don't think she'd be able to do much against said 130 mph serve. (I realize that not ALL guys hit that hard, but we're making generalizations.) I also don't think the man playing would be bothered by Serena's serve.

I think Annika could gain confidence on the PGA-level greens and improve her putting accordingly. I still say SHE's playing the golf course, she can't control what any guy does out there. She can only play her game and see where her score ends up. Serena would have to step in a react to the guy playing across the net, hitting the ball at a pace that likely she had never experienced. She currently has a huge advantage against 90% of the women she plays against due to her superior power and speed. She likely would have neither advantage playing against a man.

(edited by JayJayDean on 6.6.03 1258)


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#14 Posted on

    Originally posted by Big Bad
    In regards to Serena, I guess we can say that Justine Henin might be a threat now.


Eh, I think Henin's win was a fluke (though I don't follow tennis much so take that with a grain of salt). From the reports I've read, the asshole French crowd affected Serena quite a bit.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.28
Remember that before Billie Jean King, Bobby Riggs destroyed Margaret Court, who at that time was the best player on the women's tour (most said it was due to Court's nerves). I think the 140th ranked ATP player could definitely beat Serena in a 5-setter, and probably in a 3-setter as well. Serena plays a power game, but as was pointed out before, that power isn't going to overwhelm anyone on the Men's tour.

On the other hand, what did Annika finish at the Colonial? Higher than 140th? Take that as a benchmark.

If I were her and wanted to make a spectable out of it, I sure wouldn't do some nobody the favor of giving him free publicity. I'd do it against someone on the Seniors tour -Jack Nicholas is a perfect example.



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#16 Posted on
"In regards to Serena, I guess we can say that Justine Henin might be a threat now."

... Henin won due to Serena's inability to land a first serve and the resulting frustration that went along with it. The hostile crowd only heightened her frustration. Serene beat herself, and that's really the only way she's going to lose to anyone right now.

"Hingis had the best game of the bunch. I have never seen a tennis player like her. The ease in which she disposed of her opponents was awe inspiring."

... This I totally agree with. Hingis' skill level was so much higher than anyone she played against. If her opponent got aggressive, Martina would almost casually find a way to turn the aggression back against the opponent. She hardly broke a sweat. I don't know if there was a male player remotely similar -- Edberg, maybe.





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