I am not sure where I stand on the end of Angel tonight. It was cool to see Darla playing Luke to Conner's Vader. The montage of Conner and Cordy killing the girl was neat as was the idea that fate brought them together. I will say Freddie had better have some divine intervention to be able to pull off next week. I hope it is one a week storyline with the new Villianess, I don't think I can take another long ass storyline with little or no resovle.
I didn't find the episode quite so offensive, but I had a feeling Skip was in on it once Cordelia turned. (Well, maybe not a feeling, but he at least became suspect). I wouldn't say that they established everything as setting up this season anymore than they did on Buffy with the concept of the First having all of time to manipulate a situation to its whim. (Although for what its worth, this villain seems more efficient here than the First on Buffy.) This is one of those plot twists that was either planned all along, and on subsequent viewings of the show subtle hints will become evident, or its a new idea they ratcheted on, and the inconsistencies with the past will become glaringly obvious. I wonder when Greenwalt and Joss and the other two producers went to the WB execs and pitched the revamp, because I'm wondering if the reason we've been getting lots of serial-type episodes as opposed to monsters of the week this season is because they've only got X number of weeks to get from point A to point B, and there's apparently a big jump from point A to point B. Regardless, they've done their job of keeping me interested enough to want to tune in week after week.
Is it possible that Darla was the First Good communicating to Connor? Is it possible I'm looking for crossovers where none exist?
Is Cordelia dead? I didn't really see what happened to her during the birth, although given the flash and whatnot, I'd be surprised if she survived.
Could Angel appreciate the irony of effectively being put in Buffy's shoes at the end of season two, with respect to killing Cordelia?
Was that the prostitute or the female pilot (or was it the pilot's wife?) I can't say I saw all that much of Firefly, but now that you mention it, I did think she was familiar.
I WAS the butch pilot's wife. Shows you how much I was paying attention, I guess. Cordy, gasped right after she "Gave Birth", but I'm not sure if that was her final breath, or just a gasp of "What the fuck, Connor and I just gave birth to a thirty year old black woman!"
Darla said she was there as a representative of the Powers that Be, but I'm not sure eactly how that worked.
I guess that I'm having trouble saying "Oh, Ok" when it seems like they're just throwing stuff out there to see what sticks. That bothers me, especially this deep into the season.
Satire 03/31/03 (wienerboard.com) <- No kidding, right? Buffy 7.17 gets a 7.87 So...Spike and Wood have Oedipus complexes...riiiiight...
As soon as Cordy was pregeant you know she was going to give birth. There was too much anticipation for it not to happen, of course once I would love to see something like that not happen on a TV show, movie or comic book. Either way, I was shocked to see the child to be something like a black Goddess. It was interesting to say the least. So, is she the physical representation of the First or what? They gave hints that Cordy got the powers from hell and it was something old and without a name.
It should be fun to see if Fred gets the chance to save the world if they prolong this more. I'd rather have it end soon, so they can go to Sunnydale where the real action is. I will say that Conner has to die now, that act was his final attempt a redemption and boy did he fail miserably. I wonder if the Powers That Be will actually do something instead of just preach for the rest of the season.
Originally posted by A FanI also don't expect the Buffy cast to be joining after hearing this. According to an interview with James Master, Joss has given the actors their part of the last episode, but no one knows what the others are doing and it minor changes are going to be made. I guess the cast is not allowed to discuss their role to the last episode or Joss will change it. James did say that the fans will be pissed about Spike's role which could mean Joss is going to kill him off or Spike goes evil again and kills someone like Dawn.
Actually, I believe I read on spoilerslayer.com that Spike would be joining the cast of Angel next season, in fact this is the exact paragraph...
However, there were at least two reports from a Sci-Fi Convention that took place this weekend, where James Marsters stated that he would be on 'Angel' next season. I can't confirm or deny this information, though I do question the need for another "vampire with a soul" on that show.
POSSIBLE SPOILER: READ AT YOUR OWN FRIGGIN' RISK! ...And from what I read about the spoilers on episode 21, it would seem that Spike is likely to turn heel, but not die (even though I thought he would until about a week ago).
Its one thing to say that you heard somewhere that an actor may appear as their character on a given show next season, but please, if you are going to mention anything regarding HOW things are going to occur (i.e. Spike potentially turning heel in the penultimate episode), bear in mind that's a SPOILER. Thank you.
And its not that I'm more willing to just say, "oh ok" to anything they throw out there. Well, maybe it is. The problem is that other than the first episode of Angel, I saw maybe one other ep (where they find the book in the library and Cordelia winds up in Pylea) before watching regularly since Connor's birth. So my perspective might lack a certain depth that would have been attained by having watched regularly all along. (It certainly took me way longer than it should have to realize that the girl who's name I couldn't figure out and the missing Fred guy were one and the same. For a while I thought that was Gunn's first name.)
It makes sense, go back to Season Three of Buffy, who brings Angel back from hell? The First. The First tried to tempt Angel into offing himself yet, the Powers That Be stopped it ie making it snow. The First had to change its plan and what to the right moment. So, the First waited allowing the villians to fall for the most part. Making it look like Cordy got her powers from Dolye and TPTB. It allows the group to get minor victories here and there. Pushing characters to join the group, so one day it will have an army. It ascends Cordy and then brings her back after a time. I would almost suggest that Buffy coming back triggered its ascension. I don't know why, but that thought just came to me.
Agreed. I try not to get suckered in by what critics think is great. But sometimes I remind myself of a spoof on Rex Reed on Saturday Night Live (I think): "I didn't understand a minute of it, but I guess I loved it!"