The W
Views: 100938325
Main | FAQ | Search: Y! / G | Calendar | Color chart | Log in for more!
28.11.14 0617
The W - Random - Angel 4/10
This thread has 16 referrals leading to it
Register and log in to post!
Pages: 1(2812 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
User
Post (12 total)
Excalibur05
Knackwurst








Since: 19.1.02
From: Minnesota

Since last post: 5 days
Last activity: 1 day
AIM:  
#1 Posted on
Uh...that's all pretty dumb. Am I the only one who thinks this is dumb?

I mean, it's not JUST that the "cult leader that suckers everybody but one person in" isn't cliche and lifted straight out of something like the Twilight Zone, but that's the new storyline? It was barely interesting enough (to me), to hold one episode together. They want to drag this out for the rest of the season? That's trouble.

I'll give it this:

- The evil characters are all pretty charming. Especially evil Lorne and Evil Conner.
- Fighting in a bowling alley always scores points
- Seeing Wesley and Gunn come up in matching jumpsuits was also pretty neat.
- As much as I dislike the new big bad, she seems to have the condescending motherly figure down.
- Fred as the bumbling one and only heroine is kind of funny. Especially now that she's not in research mode and she's actually being forced to semi-action

I WON'T give it this:

- The plot device is tired, and they haven't done anything yet to justify it
- The whole episode was just this surreal wash of pompous good and self pity that would make Season 6 Buffy characters sick.
- Having one, maybe two characters act out of character is fine, but having all of them act that way completely decimates the show. You're supposed to kind of like the good guys, right? It's really hard to like them all when none of them are the guys you watch the show to see. Except Fred. In the end, you don't watch the show to see the main players get played week after week, especially not for an entire episode.
- The episode dragged. On and on and on. Jasmine says "Oh, I'm good", and everybody says "Gee, you sure are!" Repeat for 1 hour.





Satire 04/07/03 (wienerboard.com) <- No kidding, right?
Buffy 7.17 gets a 7.87 So...Spike and Wood have Oedipus complexes...riiiiight...
Promote this thread!
A Fan
Liverwurst








Since: 3.1.02

Since last post: 3593 days
Last activity: 3593 days
#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.59
I was playing with my cellphone mid-way through the show till Fred smartened up. Of course, you could have watched the sneak preview and got all of the episode too. I liked the image of the new evil as Fred saw her. Its just she reminds me of Glory way too much. I loathed Glory. If anything the hints do show her as either an emissary of the First or the embodiment of the First which is what I am hoping is going to happen.

They have to find away around the worship thing. As of right now, I still don't know how Fred got out of it. I'm sure it will be explained in the episode where Angel turns face. I think the entire plot hit a wall when Cordy gave birth. Its going to take them either forever to figure out who Jasmine is which leads to more happy whinny characters, can't Conner be the only one. I just hope this gets resolved quick, because I can't take too much more of this.

A Fan- I really need a break from this show, what? Faith is on Buffy this week? Sweet!
Mild Mannered Madman
Toulouse








Since: 1.3.02
From: Westminster, CA

Since last post: 505 days
Last activity: 223 days
#3 Posted on

    Originally posted by A Fan
    I was playing with my cellphone mid-way through the show till Fred smartened up. Of course, you could have watched the sneak preview and got all of the episode too. I liked the image of the new evil as Fred saw her. Its just she reminds me of Glory way too much. I loathed Glory. If anything the hints do show her as either an emissary of the First or the embodiment of the First which is what I am hoping is going to happen.

    They have to find away around the worship thing. As of right now, I still don't know how Fred got out of it. I'm sure it will be explained in the episode where Angel turns face. I think the entire plot hit a wall when Cordy gave birth. Its going to take them either forever to figure out who Jasmine is which leads to more happy whinny characters, can't Conner be the only one. I just hope this gets resolved quick, because I can't take too much more of this.

    A Fan- I really need a break from this show, what? Faith is on Buffy this week? Sweet!



I'm thinking it's gotta be the Clorox. =)




As the days go by, we face the increasing inevitability that we are alone in a godless, uninhabited, hostile and meaningless universe. Still, you've got to laugh, haven't you?

SchippeWreck
Banger








Since: 26.3.03
From: Glendale, CA

Since last post: 4 days
Last activity: 2 days
#4 Posted on
Methinks the writers got thrown for a loop by Charisma's pregnancy. I think we would have gotten to this point without a Cordy pregnancy storyline, but we'll never know. And I was all set to hate this episode, but it was all kinds of creepy cool. And chock-full of gross-out goodness!

Yes, the overall plot device is played out, but how many times has Mutant Enemy made played-out storylines work? Lots. I'm sold on this one and I look forward to seeing where it goes.



A Fan
Liverwurst








Since: 3.1.02

Since last post: 3593 days
Last activity: 3593 days
#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.59
I just found out where I have seen this plot device before. I don't know if anyone has read the D&D books called Dragonlance. In the books, there is a God of Good, Nuetral and Evil. Well, the evil God is called Tarkhasis and is refered to as the Dark Queen. Even the heroes bow down and worship when she enteres the room. I found this very interesting.

If Joss wanted to rip off anything from those stories I would have either picked Tas, Fizban or the final battle at the end of the Test of the Twins trilogy or Dragons of Summer Flame. The books are great, at least the first six or so, the rest just suck. I don't know if this plot device has been used in other materials such as Greek, Roman or societies' myths if so, I'm curious to hear about it.

A Fan- Old myths are usually the best ones.
Tenken347
Boudin blanc








Since: 27.2.03
From: Parts Unknown

Since last post: 1 day
Last activity: 6 min.
#6 Posted on
Ahem, that would be Takhisis, actually. And you should check out the last trilogy by Weis and Hickman. Very good read.
EddieBurkett
Boudin blanc








Since: 3.1.02
From: GA in person, NJ in heart

Since last post: 1 day
Last activity: 7 hours
#7 Posted on
I'm still not put off by the whole thing, although I am thinking that this is the best the writers could do given Charisma's pregnancy. I'm more concerned about the recycled plot device of almost effectively killing someone only to put them in a coma until they can come back. (Faith)

It will be interesting to hear the rationale behind why Fred could see through the illusion and the others couldn't. And judging by the promo for next week, it looks like Fred might "free" Angel by the end of the ep, and I'd think once he goes, everyone else will follow the week after, if not sooner. I'm not too concerned about how long everyone will follow Jasmine.

Was it just me, or did "true" Jasmine looked like the most disgusting muppet ever made? It looked fake, yet at the same time, it wasn't something I wanted to see in a dark room at 4 am (which is how I was watching it).



I apologize for being a Buffy/Angel mark.

EddieBurkett 316 says "If you can't see my avatar, please tell me. Thank you.".

Hiring a computer engineer? I doubt it, but I'm looking.
A Fan
Liverwurst








Since: 3.1.02

Since last post: 3593 days
Last activity: 3593 days
#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.59
Ahem, that would be Takhisis, actually. And you should check out the last trilogy by Weis and Hickman. Very good read.

Oh come on, the last trilogy sucked. Mina was stupid bitch and the whinny elf that killed Takhisis was douchebag. They did the best they could after the 5th Age debacle, but it got pointless in the second book. The only good scenes were with Tas and Raistlin and you had to wait til the third book for that.

I still don't understand what happened at the end with Tas. I also thought it was stupid they took Tas' moment of truimpth ie pricking Choas and made it something else that didn't fit the character. I just let the stories end with Dragons of Summer Flame. That had the best conclusion even though Tanis was punked out way too early. It was still a great book and actually felt like the original trilogy and the Test of the Twins, all the other book sans Huma have been pale in comparision.

A Fan- Sorry, to change subject, but I needed to vent on that subject, back to the Buffyverse.
Excalibur05
Knackwurst








Since: 19.1.02
From: Minnesota

Since last post: 5 days
Last activity: 1 day
AIM:  
#9 Posted on
    Originally posted by A Fan
    I just found out where I have seen this plot device before.


Well, of course, they're cribbing pretty liberally from themselves too. There's a huge history of "higher powers" making characters act unusually, or otherwise brainwashing them.

This is just from Buffy, mind you:

Season 1

I, Robot... You, Jane (Willow and other geeks have their perceptions warped by a computer literate demon and by love)

Season 2

Halloween (Ethan Rayne changes Sunnydale's population into their costumes)
Bad Eggs (Creatures brainwash everyone with special eggs)
Bewitched, Bothered, and Bewildered (Xander makes all the girls in Sunnydale fall in love with him)

Season 3

Anne (A cult leader convinces disillusioned kids to come work for him in a hell dimension)
Band Candy (Candy causes anyone who eats it to act like teenagers)
Gingerbread (A monster convinces the anyone who sees or hears of it to destroy anything occult related in the town)

Season 4 (Besides Professor Walsh and the Initiative

Beer Bad (A special brew of bear reduces anyone who drinks it to a primative state)
Something Blue (Willow is able to get people to do anything she says)
Superstar (Jonathan is able to convince the entire world that he is the biggest star in the world)

Season 5 (besides Glory and her followers, and the monks and Dawn)

Buffy vs. Dracula (Xander Only, Dracula brainwashes Xander into doing his bidding)

Season 6

All The Way (Tara Only, Willow erases Tara's memory of their fight)
Once More, With Feeling (The Demon Sweet gets everyone to act completely out of character by singing, dancing and sharing their intermost feelings)
Tabula Rasa (Willow completely erases everyone's memory)

Season 7 (The First)

Him (A boy wears a jacket that makes him the most popular guy in school)

Now, true, not all of these are exactly what we're seeing here, but the ground is the same. I realize that Charisma's pregnancy probably threw a wrench in some things, but I still think the story is played and there's a limited amount of good places they can take it.

We'll see. I'm willing to give this a few weeks, but my knee jerk reaction is to say that I'm worried that this storyline won't be going anyplace worth the build it's gotten this season.

(edited by Excalibur05 on 10.4.03 2043)


Satire 04/07/03 (wienerboard.com) <- No kidding, right?
Buffy 7.17 gets a 7.87 So...Spike and Wood have Oedipus complexes...riiiiight...
shockdown
Cotechino








Since: 28.12.02

Since last post: 3908 days
Last activity: 3882 days
#10 Posted on

    Originally posted by A Fan
    Ahem, that would be Takhisis, actually. And you should check out the last trilogy by Weis and Hickman. Very good read.

    Oh come on, the last trilogy sucked. Mina was stupid bitch and the whinny elf that killed Takhisis was douchebag. They did the best they could after the 5th Age debacle, but it got pointless in the second book. The only good scenes were with Tas and Raistlin and you had to wait til the third book for that.

    I still don't understand what happened at the end with Tas. I also thought it was stupid they took Tas' moment of truimpth ie pricking Choas and made it something else that didn't fit the character. I just let the stories end with Dragons of Summer Flame. That had the best conclusion even though Tanis was punked out way too early. It was still a great book and actually felt like the original trilogy and the Test of the Twins, all the other book sans Huma have been pale in comparision.

    A Fan- Sorry, to change subject, but I needed to vent on that subject, back to the Buffyverse.



Wow, I thought I was the only one who read Dragonlance anymore...

AFan, though they didn't write it that well, the dialogue seems to indicate that Tas went back to the moment he died (at the foot of Chaos), after having helped to save the future. He then joined the rest of the original companions on their soul's journey (see Gerard's conversation with the mortal Paladine at the end of the book). Also, if you like the Huma book, I believe the author of that book is writing a new trilogy called The Minotaur Wars that sets up the bull-men as the newest threat to Krynn (which makes sense, with their god Sargonnas being the new head of the evil pantheon, and all). Should be good, especially if they bring back Galdar, apart from Mina.

Back to ANgel -- I agree that the mind control thing could get out of hand if done for a few episodes -- everyone else in the city is fine, but the heroes need to be free to fight Jasmine, or the plot kinda stands still. The impression I got from her speech to the gang is that she's likely not an agent of The First, but a rogue member of the Powers that Be that decided to actually intervene. Or -- and also quite possible -- she could be one of the Old Ones who ruled the demon controlled earth before Man came along. Witness her act of getting the Beast to blot out the sun -- making LA a demon paradise. Listen to the part of her speech about the days before man walked the earth, and compare it to Giles' speech about the pre-human era that he gave in "Welcome to the Hellmouth."



Power flows to the one who knows how -- desire alone is not enough.

--- Megatron
Scar
Goetta








Since: 2.1.02
From: NS, Canada

Since last post: 1528 days
Last activity: 1185 days
#11 Posted on
I just saw the episode today (having no WB), and I think the rationale for Fred seeing Jasmine's "true-face" was because she touched her(Jasmine's) blood. I thought I heard her mention that or something to that effect.

BTW, I also saw tommorow's episode of Buffy. And coming from somebody who hated what they have been doing for the last two seasons, I am totally interested again. Awesome ep.



Back to School.
J. Kyle
Boudin blanc








Since: 21.2.02
From: The Land of Aloha

Since last post: 117 days
Last activity: 13 days
AIM:  
Y!:
#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.56
X-E's co-Worst Poster of all time! Jkyle.com says:

While I see her speeches ties to Giles' speech, she has to have SOME ties to the first. She HAS to. The knife boss, the knife!

Whatever she is, I can be sure she won't explain who or what the hell Whistler is and his motivations. Of course, I could be wrong. Joss actually made Conner's birth make sense... so he may surprise us after all.



JKyle.com - Now with El Nastio!
11/04/02 Bastard of the DayLance Storm likes Frailty too! So go watch it.
Pages: 1Thread ahead: ESPN2's The Bottom Line
Next thread: Weeeeeeeeee.....
Previous thread: Charter Pipeline Cable Internet
(2812 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
My excuse for not watching Smackdown was that I had to reassemble my daughters' bunkbeds. Which I didn't do.
Related threads: Angel vs. the WB - Angel 3/12 Thoughts - Ya GOTTA have Faith - More...
The W - Random - Angel 4/10Register and log in to post!

The W™ message board

ZimBoard
©2001-2014 Brothers Zim

This old hunk of junk rendered your page in 0.162 seconds.