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Since: 26.6.02
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#1 Posted on
Here are a couple of interesting articles about the upcoming anarchist parade through Washington, D.C. It looks like Grimis is going to have some company down there.

Some of this is hilarious, and some just points to the fact that there's no way these clowns are even looking for a peaceful protest

Click Here Anarchist 'Scavenger Hunt' Raises D.C. Police Ire
Click Here List of Protesters' Necessities
Click Here Small Problems Plague Protesters

Here's just a few things I thought were hilarious:
"Locating "anti-authoritarian" child care is one priority. So is finding vegetarian eats."..."One was finding a place for young children to go to while their parents were on the streets. Many were steered to the Anti-Authoritarian Babysitters Club, described as "anarchists watching kids." "

"Robin Tala, 18, who drove from Bloomington, Ind., doesn't have a cell phone but concedes they have their place in a crowd of demonstrators. "Although I'm sort of against them, they can be very helpful," he said. "
Oh, do tell! Being able to communicate with the rest of civilization anywhere you go is a good thing!

"Between the protests, the hours don't go wasted. A couple from Sarasota, Fla., planned to go sightseeing in their downtime"
Come for the protest and rioting! Stay for the Smithsonian!!

"Robin Tala, 18, from Bloomington, Ind., in Washington this week to push for a boycott of World Bank bonds, recommends the following:
-No Nikes (a symbolic no-no). "

I guess they don't want to be like Mike. So to be an anarchist you have to wear bobos??

Will they be a peaceful group? :
"-A layer of synthetics in the clothing (synthetics don't soak up tear gas).
-No contact lenses, which can trap tear gas and burn eyes more, he says.
-Water for flushing out eyes, and bandanas soaked in vinegar, which can substitute for gas masks. "


"The support network extends to medical services. Trained medics roam the crowds with bandages and water ready to flush tear gas out of eyes."

"The Anti-Capitalist Convergence, a D.C.-based anarchist group, is also planning a day-long traffic blockade, banner-drops and protests against major corporations in the downtown core. "

Well, if they plan on getting gassed and disrupting everyone's lives, I guess "peaceful" is out the window. Maybe after the weekend someone can post a site with pictures of babies getting gassed again because mommy and daddy coudn't find any available "anarchists watching kids."




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Since: 2.1.02
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
I honestly don't think the Capital Police is being pro-active enough, and there will be a full scale 60s-70s style riot down town.

merchants downtown aren't boarding up their shops like they did 2 years ago, and claim that the police will protect them. I don't remember 2 years ago if they were breaking glass storefronts, but now they are promising to be uncivil, and they don't board up. weird.

They also "plan" on shutting down the beltway, glad i don't have anywhere to go...

[shutting it down isn't too hard. 10 of us bikers "shut" it down back in the summer of 2000. the Montgomery co. police claimed that they were going to crack down on motorcyclists and bought a helicopter and some slow BMW bikes to chase down the 200+ mph speeders.

10 of us took up all the lanes on the beltway and did a lap at the speed limit of 55 mph on the maryland side of the beltway. VA has a weird law that forces people in the left lane to move over ASAP if the vehicle behind them honks or blinks their lights, no matter what their speed is. if you are speeding at 95, and someone behind you flashes their lights and you don't move, you can get a ticket, and the passer goes by scott free.]



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Since: 11.7.02
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
I love it: Anti-Capitalists called a press conference....

My idea was to call out the National Guard and enforce law and order. Of course, I will now be accused of being a fascist for saying that.

If anyone of them gets in front of my car...I get a free hood ornament.
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Since: 3.1.02
From: Philly

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#4 Posted on

    Originally posted by Bizzle Izzle
    Will they be a peaceful group? :
    "-A layer of synthetics in the clothing (synthetics don't soak up tear gas).
    -No contact lenses, which can trap tear gas and burn eyes more, he says.
    -Water for flushing out eyes, and bandanas soaked in vinegar, which can substitute for gas masks. "


    "The support network extends to medical services. Trained medics roam the crowds with bandages and water ready to flush tear gas out of eyes."

    "The Anti-Capitalist Convergence, a D.C.-based anarchist group, is also planning a day-long traffic blockade, banner-drops and protests against major corporations in the downtown core. "

    Well, if they plan on getting gassed and disrupting everyone's lives, I guess "peaceful" is out the window.



If I was planning on attending this protest -- or, frankly, any other group protest in this day and age where the protesters don't plan on being herded into an Orderly Protest Cage -- I'd ASSUME that I'd be tear-gassed and attacked even if the protest remained nonviolent, and plan accordingly as above.

That having been said, the notion of an Anarchists' Convention is rather amusing in and of itself.






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Since: 6.1.02
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#5 Posted on
I always find it funny that the responce to the issues these folks raise is essentially "well, you're a weirdo." Look, I agree 110% these folks have some very strange lifestyle decisions that I think are utterly ridiculous. (For instance, if I ran the show and you don't like dinner because it's meat, then you could starve for all I care, fuck finding this vegatarian alternative shit).
But this doesn't mean they don't have valid issues that need to be addressed. I'm glad someones calling attention to this, however weird they might be, because it's something that needs addressing.

I actually put people up at my house for these protests when I lived in D.C., and I can tell you their main problem is that it takes them 6 hours to explain what they're protesting and why. That doesn't mean they don't have good arguements, they do. It's just that they can't be summed up in a nice TV-ready soundbyte, which leads people to think they are just protesting to protest or whatever.

A couple more points: If you work in downtown DC (like I did for the last one of these) and aren't happy with the free days off, DC has a decent subway system with great access to downtown. So shutting traffic doens't mean your average Joe can't get there if he wants.

#2, living in D.C. is a tradeoff. You get all the neat stuff having the Federal Government right there provides, like the Smithsonian (what else is that couple going to do in the off-hours? Why don't they get to sightsee also? The pay taxes too, just like right-wingers). You also get all the hassle the Federal Government brings, like protests and now the fear of terrorist attacks (I couldn't get enough of this one I guess, so of all places I moved to New York).

#3 All the people who complained the last time about the protesters disrupting "their" city were all from the suburbs. Hey, when you pay D.C. taxes THEN you can complain about the being inconvinienced in D.C. Although, I have to say, anyone with half a brain and a decent paycheck lives in the Burbs precisely to AVOID D.C. taxes



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Since: 11.7.02
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
    Originally posted by MoeGates
    If you work in downtown DC (like I did for the last one of these) and aren't happy with the free days off, DC has a decent subway system with great access to downtown. So shutting traffic doens't mean your average Joe can't get there if he wants.


Somebody(Assumedly the protesters) jammed the locks at the metro stations in West Hyattsville and Fort Totten.

I know the protesters are out there, but do they really believe that fucking up traffic is going to bring sympathy to their side?

EDIT: Protestors lit fire to tires on the George Washington Parkway and sat down in the middle of the intersection on 14th and Constitution. They all got free rooms at the Central Booking Hilton...

EDIT # 2: Today's protests


(edited by Grimis on 27.9.02 0800)

(edited by Grimis on 27.9.02 0816)
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Since: 2.1.02
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by Grimis
      Originally posted by MoeGates
      If you work in downtown DC (like I did for the last one of these) and aren't happy with the free days off, DC has a decent subway system with great access to downtown. So shutting traffic doens't mean your average Joe can't get there if he wants.


    Somebody(Assumedly the protesters) jammed the locks at the metro stations in West Hyattsville and Fort Totten.

    I know the protesters are out there, but do they really believe that fucking up traffic is going to bring sympathy to their side?

    EDIT: Protestors lit fire to tires on the George Washington Parkway and sat down in the middle of the intersection on 14th and Constitution. They all got free rooms at the Central Booking Hilton...

    EDIT # 2: Today's protests


    (edited by Grimis on 27.9.02 0800)

    (edited by Grimis on 27.9.02 0816)



decent subway system? you obvisouly didn't live here too long because you weren't here back in the late 90's when the trains were so over croweded due to them breaking down that loads of trains refused to unload and there was mutany. i was on one of those trains. they wanted to take it out of service and unload us on a platform that was already too crowded.

not that the system is any better, because they are still short on trains, the platforms are still overcrouded, and none of the esclators or elevators ever work.

i'm not surprised that they jammed the locks at a few stations, but if they were smart, they'd hit a few key downtown stations like Dupont circle, union station or McPhearson Square. hell, even Farragut North too...

moegates, you might be right about them having valid points, but when they vow to cause chaos, no one will care what they are about. they will be branded as a group of anarchaic trouble makers and be dealt with accordingly.

(edited by rikidozan on 27.9.02 1030)


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Since: 26.6.02
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#8 Posted on
Despite their hatred for Capitalism, does anyone doubt that enterprising marijuana merchants will flock to D.C. this weekend? It's all about free enterprise dude. They understand the concepts of supply and demand.

The self righteousness of these clowns never ceases to amaze me. So, they hate the Gap, and Nike, and cars, and pretty much all companies if they are going to protest all companies. They want to have a "bike strike" to shove alternative transportation down our throats? I live 25 miles from where I work. I'll keep my car, thank you very much Maynard G. Krebs.

I'm certainly looking forward to the news so I can see their little rhyming chants. That's one thing that drives me nuts with these people. They always have to have their goofy little rhymes with numbers. "one two three four! stop the violence stop the war!" At least they have better ones than the gay rights people who can't do much more than "we're here, we're queer, get used to it"

If you look at the schedule of protests, you'll see most have either no permit, or no route established. So basically they are just asking for the Cops to get in their face. You know it's going to turn ugly. Am I the only one who would love to see the D.C. cops go Old School and whip out the high pressure fire hoses on all their candyasses?








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Since: 2.1.02
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
i have to give props to the capital police, because they revoked or denied almost all of the permits...

as of this writing, 290 protesters have been arrested



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Since: 11.7.02
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
Up to 500 now....

I think we all agree on and believe in the first amendment right of assembly.

And I also think(or hope) that we all agree on and believe in the law enough to recognize that once your portest turns into a mob that is breaking stuff, looting, etc then your protest has lost that right and the interests of public safety have to kick in.
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#11 Posted on
This is a lot like Woodstock to me. It was a good idea at the time and does have a message, but not it becomes a bonfire waiting to happen. These protests now seem to border on destruction rather than the issue.

While saying that, I have to really ask the question, what the fuck do I need a permit to preform a right that is given to me in the Constitution?" That has always pissed me off. I am not shocked that the Supreme Court has not overruled this, since the Supreme Court has had a good idea in a long time, a long time. Plus, if I were a protestor and I went just to protest like 75% of these guys do and got the shit kicked out of me, because it takes an extra hour for someone to drive home then I say "Fuck you D.C. citizens." It took me five hours to go from PSU to Harrisburg after the PSU/Nebraska, does that give me a reason riot? Plus, I hate PSU, so I have even more justification for burning down the roads in PA.

When, its all said and done WTO will once again reign supreme, because they have money and influence to get the powers that be, not Russo, to do what they want to do while the protesters get the crap kicked out of them.

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Since: 3.1.02
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#12 Posted on

    Originally posted by A Fan
    Plus, I hate PSU, so I have even more justification for burning down the roads in PA.


As do all good folk, on both counts.





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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00

    Originally posted by Grimis
    Up to 500 now....

    I think we all agree on and believe in the first amendment right of assembly.

    And I also think(or hope) that we all agree on and believe in the law enough to recognize that once your portest turns into a mob that is breaking stuff, looting, etc then your protest has lost that right and the interests of public safety have to kick in.



My feelings exactly.

Yes you have a right to be vocal about your views. However, you don't have a right to break windows and loot shops.





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#14 Posted on

    Originally posted by A Fan
    This is a lot like Woodstock to me. It was a good idea at the time and does have a message, but not it becomes a bonfire waiting to happen. These protests now seem to border on destruction rather than the issue.


Really? I thought Woodstock '99 was just one big money grab. They barely even gave a nod to the original.


    Originally posted by rikidozan
      Originally posted by Grimis
        Originally posted by MoeGates
        If you work in downtown DC (like I did for the last one of these) and aren't happy with the free days off, DC has a decent subway system with great access to downtown. So shutting traffic doens't mean your average Joe can't get there if he wants.


      Somebody(Assumedly the protesters) jammed the locks at the metro stations in West Hyattsville and Fort Totten.

      I know the protesters are out there, but do they really believe that fucking up traffic is going to bring sympathy to their side?

      EDIT: Protestors lit fire to tires on the George Washington Parkway and sat down in the middle of the intersection on 14th and Constitution. They all got free rooms at the Central Booking Hilton...

      EDIT # 2: Today's protests


      (edited by Grimis on 27.9.02 0800)

      (edited by Grimis on 27.9.02 0816)



    decent subway system? you obvisouly didn't live here too long because you weren't here back in the late 90's when the trains were so over croweded due to them breaking down that loads of trains refused to unload and there was mutany. i was on one of those trains. they wanted to take it out of service and unload us on a platform that was already too crowded.

    not that the system is any better, because they are still short on trains, the platforms are still overcrouded, and none of the esclators or elevators ever work.

    i'm not surprised that they jammed the locks at a few stations, but if they were smart, they'd hit a few key downtown stations like Dupont circle, union station or McPhearson Square. hell, even Farragut North too...



Hmm... guess I got off easy the two weeks I was there this past January. No trouble whatsoever, and every time I've been down there and used it, I've had a fine experience.



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Since: 6.1.02
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#15 Posted on
decent subway system? you obvisouly didn't live here too long

May 2000 to May 2002 (with a summer break in Manhattan in 2001), so I guess I missed the worst of it. I'm a subway junkie, and one thing I've noticed is that no matter the city, no matter the system, locals ALWAYS complain that the trains suck. D.C. Metro has it's problems, but compared to other similar sized American cities' transit systems, it's wonderful.

Somebody(Assumedly the protesters) jammed the locks at the metro stations in West Hyattsville and Fort Totten.

That makes no sense, especially the Fort Totten station, which is hardly used by the kind of folks the protesters have a problem with. I'm pretty suspicious of this "assumedly the protesters" stuff. I know I might sound like a conspiracy theorist, but dirtier tricks have been played.

While saying that, I have to really ask the question, what the fuck do I need a permit to preform a right that is given to me in the Constitution?"

Word. Plus don't conservatives get all uppity when you suggest a permit to carry a gun because it infringes upon their constitutional rights?

At least they have better ones than the gay rights people who can't do much more than "we're here, we're queer, get used to it"

That one sucks, but singing "Gaaaaaaay Men" to the tune of "Aaaaaamen" is a pretty funny one I think.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
yeah moe, you missed the really bad times, summer 97 to fall 99. the mutanies that took place happened summer of 98, or 99...can't remember...

side note: wednesday was the first time i was on the trains since i left my downtown job at Vermont and K back in jan or 2000. I was on the way to my doctor about my Pink Eye in chinatown, leaving from glenmont.

much much better...they even now have signs telling you what size train is approaching and what it's ETA is...

very nice...

(edited by rikidozan on 27.9.02 1501)

sidenote #2, hey moe, you're in NYC right? how you compare the DC trains to the NYC trains, since we have that "no eating or drinking or loud music w/o head phones or singing or you get a $50 fine" law...
i'm curious to know.

(edited by rikidozan on 27.9.02 1504)

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#17 Posted on
To bad the protesters are in D.C. instead of their usual favorite place of Seattle. Picture the protestors blocking Randy Moss' mode of transportation before the Vikings/Seahawks game. Sounds like a new idea for FOX, 'When Randy Moss and Protestors Collide.' Hell, I'd watch.



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#18 Posted on

    Originally posted by rikidozan
    yeah how you compare the DC trains to the NYC trains, since we have that "no eating or drinking or loud music w/o head phones or singing or you get a $50 fine" law...


But vomiting's still free, right?



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Since: 2.1.02
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
total arrested: 649

quoted from chief of police Charles Ramsey

(edited by rikidozan on 27.9.02 1715)


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#20 Posted on
sidenote #2, hey moe, you're in NYC right? how you compare the DC trains to the NYC trains, since we have that "no eating or drinking or loud music w/o head phones or singing or you get a $50 fine" law...
i'm curious to know.


Logistic-wise, this is like comparing apples and jockstraps. They're completely different systems for completely different kinds of cities. In fact, it's pretty tough to compare NYC-transit to any other city's, as it's a one-of-a-kind system. It works here, but I can't see it working in any other city.

Culturally, however, I can compare the two. While there are rules against eating, drinking, music, etc., nobody follows them. Eating and drinking are totally commonplace, and you get the subways performers and beggars a lot also. Less common is the kid who plays the radio loud, or the crazy guy who sings to himself. You never get any of that in D.C. Somoeone drinking a coke is a risque as it gets.

I don't think enforcement is any different than in D.C. It's not like there are cops all over the train in D.C., and if you ate a burger you'd get some dirty looks but not get arrested (that one kid who got busted for eating fries a cuple years ago notwithstanding). And everyone knows someone here who's gotten busted for something on the subway. It's just culture. Things are generally accepted here while they aren't in D.C. A good example is going between the cars. Everyone does it here (unless the doors are locked, which is happening now and totally sucks). In D.C., someone would do it every once in a great while, and everyone would go "must be from New York."

One similarity: people in both towns are pretty good about the "stand right, walk left" rule, although there aren't a lot of escalators here. Also, nobody ever smokes on the trains or in the stations (I was just in Europe, where you can count on "no smoking" signs being ignored in the emphysyma ward).

I personally like the culture of the current NYC trains. It might be over the top for some, but remembering the graffiti and muggings era, I'd say we've sticken a happy
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