Barry Bonds told a federal grand jury that he used a clear substance and a cream supplied by the Burlingame laboratory now enmeshed in a sports doping scandal, but he said he never thought they were steroids, The Chronicle has learned.
I just hope this doesn't help kill the case against Balcon (again).
Bond's excuse of "I didn't know what it was" is really lame I think. Does he honestly expect us to believe that a pro athlete puts anything in them without knowing what it is? I really don't know what to think about Barry. On one hand he has had maybe the best three year stretch that any player has ever had and on the other I can't help but think how much of that success has to be attributed to steroids. Baseball has to do something about this but I don't expect them to do anything at all really.
Not taht I want to be the one who defends Barry, necessarily, but I can see a scenario wher he trusted Greg Anderson as his trainer and Anderson denied he was giving Barry steroids, so Bonds took Anderson at his word. Based on Giambi's testimony that seems far-fetched, but I guess I can see it.
When Rick Neuheisel was the head coach at Washington, it was alleged that when the NCAA sent out rules updates he would refuse to read them so he could deliberately remain ignorant of the rules he was breaking. I can see Barry taking the same approach to the steroids: if I don't KNOW they're steroids how can I get in trouble for taking them?
“To get ass, you’ve got to bring ass." -- Roy Jones Jr.
"Your input has been noted. I hope you don't take it personally if I disregard it." -- Guru Zim
Barry's excuse is super weak IMO. I feel all his records should be wiped out. Now of course, he was a good player, an MVP even, presumably before he took steroids. But I don't think we should give cheaters the benefit of the doubt. Same for Giambi, Sheffield, et al. They all should be thrown out of the game for a long, long, long time. Possibly for life. I hate to bring up Pete Rose, but if he gets thrown out for life on account of _possibly _ fixing games (i.e. cheating) then these guys should get the same penalty for _definately_ cheating.
And as a side note, I do kind of empathize with some of these players. Not Bonds or Giambi, but some of the lowere level talent that feels they will struggle to remain in the league if they don't take any roids. It's a HR culture, and if they wanna make millions, maybe they feel they need to take illegal substances. Of course they don't have to, but it's a tough decision to make, what with the Union not agreeing to do a damned thing to stop the rampant steroid abuse with the disgraceful policy that was negotiated for the current CBA. This is angering me now....
I don't see how we can be expected to take Bonds at his word when his story keeps changing. First he never took steroids. Then, he did take steroids, but he didn't know what they were. What's next? If he wanted the benefit of the doubt he should have come clean right away and pleaded his case. I have a very hard time believing a guy's sob story when he only fesses up once he's already caught.
Originally posted by JustinShapiro"Same for Giambi, Sheffield, et al. They all should be thrown out of the game for a long, long, long time."
I think you're talking about tossing out a lot more than just a dozen or so black eyes here. I'm betting it's an issue that's far, far more pervasive than just a few disgraceful famous Sluggers.
Not only that but MLB has a very strong union and while I'm not fully clear on the policy, they have a rather thin steriod policy, don't they? So, at best, they can only act based on the policy. They still don't have tests showing Bonds was on steroids, so all they really have is Bonds admitting that he had some creams rubbed on him.
I also don't really see MLB doing anything all that drastic because they haven't shown any indication in the past that they really care. The Home Run chases have re-energized that game and you can't tell me that Jason Giambi and Barry Bonds are steroid users and Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire were clean. Look at them. Sosa doesn't even fit into his uniform.
I also think the general baseball fan doesn't really care about the athlete's health so I see MLB implementing some superficial policy to appease the media attack dogs, handing out a few suspensions, and trying to let it all fizzle out. Kinda like the Sammy Sosa corked bat thing.
"When did they pass a law that says the people who make my sandwich have to be wearing gloves? I'm not comfortable with this. I don't want glove residue all over my food; it's not sanitary. Who knows where these gloves have been?" - George Carlin
So, Bonds and Sheffield claim they didn't know what they were applying to their bodies? In a related story, Dwight Gooden, Steve Howe and Strawberry are holding a news conference next week to announce they didn't know they were snorting cocaine, they just thought they were inhaling snow from South America and were did not know that snow meant cocaine. Seeing Bonds humiliated publicly and seeing potential evidence of him committing perjury is nice. However, am I the only one just a slight bit disturbed that multiple grand jury testimonies are being leaked? Whoever is leaking this needs to be placed in a cell.
Money is no replacement for the love of a good woman. Real estate, especially in the current marketplace, is another story.
Originally posted by drjayphdAlthough rsn's got a point: WHY do we have access to these testimonies?
My cynical guess? Bonds, Giambi, et al can't be charged in a court of law (immunity if they testified truthfully) so they can be tried in the court of public opinion. Somebody close to the investigation decided help out some reporters, as well as sway public opinion.
Did Marion Jones testify in front of the grand jury? She could be charged with something if she lied (and if they have proof that she lied).
Leave it to Peter Gammons baseball god to sum up everything I am thinking and write a fantastic column.
"The dirty little secret is a major scandal. It is not going away. Curt Schilling has long said that we can't love the game as much as the players because we don't play, and now is the time that no one can do as much to restore the game they love as the players themselves."
I am surprised that I heard what I have thought anywhere.
Taking steroids or prohormones isn't as simple as injecting a liquid, swallowing some pills or spraying it on your skin. You don't JUST take the steroids. You would be taking a cocktail of other drugs as well, such as a liver protecter like Milk Thistle and some DHT blockers.
You don't just take gear nonstop, you need to cycle your use. When you are on the juice, you will most likely be taking nolvadex which is used to treat breast cancer in women and prevents gynecomastia(growth of breasts on men).
And immediately after your cycle you will start taking Clomid(clomiphene citrate) which is a fertility aid. When you take roids, your boys stop producing testosterone and they shrink up. The Clomid revives them. If you don't do proper Post Cycle Therapy, you will most likely lose what you gained and will produce less testosterone naturally.
Basically here is my point. Bonds wasn't just rubbing a cream into his skin. I guarantee you he was taking these other drugs as well(Giambi admitted to using Clomid). Also, when you are taking an orally applied prohormone or steroid you need to be very careful about your physical contact with others. Some stuff is released for up to twelve hours after you use it. And believe me it stays on your skin. I learned never to rub my eyes with the wrong hand because of the incredible stinging from the alcohol.
He would have to be concious about being in contact with his wife and kids. I never heard of arthritis cream giving your wife hair and a deeper voice.
When you know a little about these substances it just seems so obvious that he is lying through his teeth. You really need to be concious of what you are doing when on these supplements. How did he think he can get away with this, but I guess when most people get caught in a big lie, they deny it until their deaths(save Pete Rose).
In closing, baseball may be tainted, but at least I can say with certainty that my favorite athlete, Griffey never needed roids to hit home runs. But he really could use some to get healed up faster :(
Why exactly should the commisioner give a known cheater "his moment"? Sorry, but in my view anytime this "moment" is mentioned I want it attached to steroids. The commisioner was correct to remind everyone of that in my view.