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#61 Posted on

    Originally posted by Jakegnosis
    Do you think you could be any more condescending if you tried?


Blame it on constant frustration coming from endless and pointless HHH bashing.



    I just watched the match again, and if you want to say that Booker looked like a million bucks, that's your prerogative, but I still think it's total bullshit.
    Was Booker squashed? No. Did he look like he would have won the match if not for Flair? Fuck, no. He got a lot of offense in, but Triple H was clearly dominating him. The pedigree did take Booker out, but Triple H took his sweet goddamn time with the cover, like he didn't have anything to worry about.



See, YOU say "like he didn't have anything to worry about", while I see it as "like he was laying on the ground barely conscious", which is sort of held up by the fact that Flair had to help him walk out of the arena.



    Your argument about the injured knee is a fallacy in and of itself, because his knee was fine going into the match, and Triple H fucked it up. Booker didn't do that kind of damage to Triple H. Thus Triple H looked stronger.


No, HHH looked like a guy who's supposed to wrestle "smart" and had Ric Flair, well-known master of working the leg, in his corner. Listen to the announce team, they put it over the whole time HHH had the Indian Deathlock on. HHH working Booker's knee is a perfectly good story to tell in the match, because he's supposed to be a "smart" wrestler, taking apart his opponents. And Booker still only lost after Flair got involved and enabled HHH to sneak in a Pedigree.



    So Triple H kicked out of the Harlem Hangover because Booker was weakened, and he couldn't cover him properly? By that same logic, shouldn't Booker have been able to kick out of the Pedigree, especially with all the time Triple H took to cover him?


No, because Booker hadn't been wearing HHH down in that fashion. HHH kicked out of the Hangover because, as far as the story went, Booker's knee was hurt too bad to hit it well. Thus, it didn't do as much damage as it would have if he'd been fresh. Booker never did anything to weaken HHH's finishing move, so when he took it it put him out long enough to be pinned. Barely.

It's all in the story. HHH wrestled the smarter match, had Ric Flair cheating on his behalf, and still almost lost the match. There is no way that makes Booker T look bad.



    I have no idea what goes on backstage. Maybe Triple H really does want to make new stars, but the creative team won't let him. That doesn't sound likely, but it's possible.

    Triple H has been pushed to the point where he doesn't need the belt to look strong.



No, he doesn't need the belt to look strong. However, he does need the belt as a character. That's the whole point of his character, is to be the champion. Whether you want to blame it on politics, bad writing, or cosmic rays, the way HHH is portrayed right now him not being obsessed with the belt would be out of character.



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#62 Posted on

    Originally posted by Nate The Snake

      Originally posted by Jakegnosis
      Do you think you could be any more condescending if you tried?


    Blame it on constant frustration coming from endless and pointless HHH bashing.




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#63 Posted on
It's not losing that makes HHH's opponants look bad, it's the setup for the feud. Take Kane for example. As bad as that feud was, it actually set Kane up real nice for a win. HHH make him look foolish and beneath the championship, so if Kane had won, he would have overcome a lot of obstacles. But he didn't. In wrestling, might makes right, and HHH proved that Kane was a stupid necrophiliac. It was the same with Booker. HHH's win says that Booker doesn't deserve the title. And no matter what anyone says, Wrestlemania is the big show. A win anywhere else is never as important.
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#64 Posted on

    Originally posted by Nate The Snake
    No, HHH looked like a guy who's supposed to wrestle "smart" and had Ric Flair, well-known master of working the leg, in his corner. Listen to the announce team, they put it over the whole time HHH had the Indian Deathlock on. HHH working Booker's knee is a perfectly good story to tell in the match, because he's supposed to be a "smart" wrestler, taking apart his opponents. And Booker still only lost after Flair got involved and enabled HHH to sneak in a Pedigree.



And I believe Nate the Snake to be right. For over 20 years, how many times did Flair's opponents barely lose because he worked over their knee? Countless times! Example, in 1987 at the Great American Bash, Flair had a title defense against Jimmy Garvin in a cage. Garvin controls a good portion of the match until he lands awkwardly on a leapfrog, causing an injury to his knee. Flair goes to work for the next 10-15 mins doing everything he can to finish the match. Garvin makes a big comeback, comes within inches of winning then Flair finds an opening for the Figure-4, gets it on and wins by submission. Now that I give it some thought, HHH/Booker looked a lot like Flair's matches from the 80's. Now, if this all makes sense to you guys, why the hell aren't there any "Flair held everyone down" threads?



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#65 Posted on



And I believe Nate the Snake to be right. For over 20 years, how many times did Flair's opponents barely lose because he worked over their knee? Countless times! Example, in 1987 at the Great American Bash, Flair had a title defense against Jimmy Garvin in a cage. Garvin controls a good portion of the match until he lands awkwardly on a leapfrog, causing an injury to his knee. Flair goes to work for the next 10-15 mins doing everything he can to finish the match. Garvin makes a big comeback, comes within inches of winning then Flair finds an opening for the Figure-4, gets it on and wins by submission. Now that I give it some thought, HHH/Booker looked a lot like Flair's matches from the 80's. Now, if this all makes sense to you guys, why the hell aren't there any "Flair held everyone down" threads?



Flair did hold a lot of people down in the 80's and early 90's and only pushed his friends and their friends to the top when he had power. Ever hear of the Charlotte Clique? It's been common knowledge for a while...Shane Douglas and Tom Zenk are still pissed at Flair and Anderson to this day...

There's a big difference though...Flair had on average of 10-15 **** matches a year then, Triple H had one last year with Shawn Michaels and series of atrocious PPV matches surrounding them. I guarentee you, if Triple H was back to 100 percent, then all this bickering would go away overnight...





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#66 Posted on
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    It's not losing that makes HHH's opponants look bad, it's the setup for the feud. Take Kane for example. As bad as that feud was, it actually set Kane up real nice for a win. HHH make him look foolish and beneath the championship, so if Kane had won, he would have overcome a lot of obstacles. But he didn't. In wrestling, might makes right, and HHH proved that Kane was a stupid necrophiliac.


Hmmmm, Triple H fucks a mannequin and ends up winning the ppv blow of after interference and Kanes the one who looks like a stupid necrophiliac. Rrrrright, I see your point.

Oh no wait. I don't.


    Originally posted by Tenken347
    It was the same with Booker. HHH's win says that Booker doesn't deserve the title. And no matter what anyone says, Wrestlemania is the big show. A win anywhere else is never as important.


But as the build up progressed HHH was proven wrong. He was clean pinned twice by Booker T recently, and beaten up backstage. HHH effectively admitted Booker was worthy when he replied to Flair's attempts to tell him that he was the better man with "nobody told Booker T that".

I would have liked to see Booker go over at WM but alas I think the signing of Goldberg has put paid to that. He should be the guy the angers directed at cos I'm damned sure HHH would sooner job the title to Booker given his history with old Bill.


    Originally posted by Ringmistress

    Originally posted by Jakegnosis
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    Do you think you could be any more condescending if you tried?
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    Blame it on constant frustration coming from endless and pointless HHH bashing.

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Edit: trying to tidy up quotes. Failing.

(edited by dMr on 2.4.03 1755)


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#67 Posted on
There is so much speculation on the HHH factor, let's separate fact from fiction:

FACT: Kane's personality is not condusive to a title chase.
FACT: Booking team made up a HORRIBLE story-line to try to make it compelling.
FACT: Fans hated it = kick, Pedigree, pin.

FACT: Bubba Ray is a tag team wrestler.
FACT: Fans booed his "big promo" = kick, Pedigree, pin.

FACT: Although being over, RVD's personality is not condusive to a title chase.
FACT: Blown spots = kick, Pedigree, pin.

FACT: Booker's personality (underdog fullfilling a dream) IS condusive to a title chase.
FACT: Booking team started with 1 month to go till WM19.
FACT: Late story-line chase start = kick, Pedigree, pin.
FACT: Feud CONTINUED on RAW.

FACT: If this was HHH 2000 noone would be up in arms.

FICTION: Any of us have backstage access.
FICTION: Any of us are friends with the creative team.
FICTION: Any of us truly know what Vince really approves.

Food for thought.

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#68 Posted on
Okay, this is it for this thread. I'd like to apologize to CRZ for any bandwidth I might waste, but I just wanted to clarify some things, especially separating fact from fiction. After this, I think I'll just go back to WCW bashing.

What I meant in my post above was that I would be using observable facts, not anything based on hearsay (such as something even reputable sources such as Meltzer and Keller have reported). Unlike above, these facts are concrete using empirical evidence and statements from previous interviews:

* Steph and her control of the "straight out of sitcom school" writing staff are all well established facts, not just through Keller and Meltzer, but through interviews with Linda, Steph, Russo, and people who have been in WWE's front offices and have gone on record in stating that's what the WWE hierarchy is.

* Stephanie and HHH are engaged and have been dating since 2000, which was confirmed by Linda at the latest press conference and interviews with Stephanie shows such as Howard Stern.

* HHH currently holds what RAW tries to pass off as a "World Title" and has held it since it was introduced in September 2002, save for HBK's brief one month interlude.

* HHH and HBK are friends in real life and HBK is an asset to HHH, who has helped him ascend to the top of the card in WWE.

* RAW is experiencing its lowest ratings since the days it was losing to WCW with HHH holding what is considered by RAW to be its top position. WWE RAW went from doing 6.0 ratings in the Summer of 2000 to going as low as a 3.4 last fall with HHH as champ and the sole focus of the show.

* The ratings have become so bad that "outside" superstars have been brought in to help improve the ratings. These stars include Steve Austin, The Rock (from SMACKDOWN!), Shawn Michaels, Goldberg and Scott Steiner. Only Steve Austin has produced any sort of ratings spike, and it was a short term one, at that. The rest have not produced results.

* RVD, Kane, and Scott Steiner were not advertised to appear at WrestleMania XIX, or were yanked off the card. These were HHH's latest RAW PPV Main Event contenders, with the sole exception of HBK.

Now, what do these facts mean? This is where interpretation and speculation begin:

I think HHH and Stephanie, Steph especially, have done a number of things to harm what was once the most successful wrestling promotion in existence. I think that there are a number of factors that point to the fact that a great many people are rejecting the way WWE shows are being put together, especially when HHH is at the focus.

Steph and her staff of writers are the ones that write it so that HHH destroys everyone on the roster. Why do they do that? We can only speculate, but Steph's actions seem to indicate - and again this is speculation - that she is writing to get HHH over and to make her company successful. She's trying to have it both ways and it's not working.

Are there other factors? Absolutely. Stone Cold's botched heel turn that went against the grain of what the fans wanted, the botched Invasion, the botched nWo return, and HHH's domination of RAW's roster are all examples of things WWE has done that have hurt the chances of midcarders in getting over.

I think that HHH beating every midcarder and main eventer in sight has made everyone go down in value. RVD & Kane's removal from the WrestleMania card indicates that they did not have enough value to be included on the undercard. From having "World Title" shots at PPVs to not even being put on the card as an attraction does not bode well for their value after their feuds with HHH. Especially since they are now mere tag wrestlers.

I don't consider myself an "HHH basher." I think I look at things pretty objectively. Considering everything that has happened since I first started watching wrestling, I don't think I have seen anything more self-destructive than the current state of WWE aside from possibly the self-destructive nature of WCW that started in 1998.
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#69 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.21
After reading through all those wonderful well thought out posts, I will state one thing.

It's a Television Show...just like Friends etc.

Screw you all, Joey is holding down Chandler!

Damn you Joey....damn you to hell!



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#70 Posted on
Man have I ever missed the Wienerboard

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#71 Posted on
I love how the HHH apologists love to set up the straw man of "you don't know what's going on backstage" as if to somehow say that the booking of HHH is not at all problematic. I don't care who is responsible for HHH being such a poorly booked character, I just know that he is. If you want to blame Vince or Steph or Gewirtz or whomever, fine. Hell, I'm sure if Vince wanted HHH to job to Booker at WM that he would have done so. The point is that SOMEONE in charge is making what I believe to be some very bad booking decisions.

That said, what exactly in HHH's personality makes him somehow so much more compelling than the people that Irongeek brushed aside. Why is Kane's quest to validate his failed life and restore his honor by winning the WWE title somehow less valid. Why is RVD's too cool to be concerned with HHH persona somehow invalid as a champion, especially as a face champ? What is so interesting about HHH, a character who is becoming more and more of a blank slate to begin with lately, that he needs to have a strangle hold on the title? The cynical view that disregards RVD or Kane or Booker could just as easily paint HHH as "jacked up guy who likes having a title and hanging out with a crazy old man" and not be too far from the truth of his character.

And Socks, to use your television analogy, imagine if on Friends every single story line ended with Rachel making fools of everyone on the show, and then all the other characters talking about how amazing Rachel is. Do you think the tv critics would question the writing at that point?



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#72 Posted on

    Originally posted by spf2119
    From Chico Santana: "Fans rejecting HHH? He gets Pops for his intro and heat during his matches."
    He gets heat?! When the hell has this happened? Every PPV he works at the crowd does one of two things. Either they go cricket chirping silent, or they boo the whole damn match out of the building. The last time he had a legitimately heated match was Summerslam vs. HBK. Since then the crowd pops on his entrance, pops briefly for the poor bastard face's hope(less) spot, and then boos half-heartedly as he leaves with another victory. WWE has created a character in HHH who no one really seems in the crowd to care too much about the outcome of. They don't cheer his triumphs, yet they really don't boo his transgressions. They just sit there, becoming aroused only if the match becomes a flaming turd of an event. Otherwise...nothing.



You answer the questions about how in fact he does get heat(Winning as the Heel Champ)and state yourself that he gets pops in your post. Um, their not supposed to cheer his triumphs because his character is EVIL. Yeah, your not a Triple H HHHater, "poor bastard" that's what you said, right. I'm guessing you don't know what "aroused" means?




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#73 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95
Exactly. I don't really care WHO is making the television unentertaining. I just care that it sucks. Now, who are the likely culprits? You tell me.

HHH has tried to step into the shoes of Rock, Austin and Foley and he has failed. He has failed to be entertaining, he's failed to elevate ANYONE in a feud, and he's failed to draw ratings. And he's been put over every big star in the company in an effort to make him the "top" guy.

I think spf brought this up months ago, but I'll repeat it. It seems that the HHH apologists have this wellspring of optimism that eventually HHH will put someone over. Sure, he went over Booker T at Mania, but that's just because he's gonna put him over at Backlash. Sure, he beat RVD during that title match, but look at the bright side, good things are still in store for Van Dam. Ditto for Kane. What, in HHH's history, make you guys think that he will do anything other than cling to his spot, cling to that championship, and use anything in his power to make his opponent look like shit?

And, so help me God, if someone replies with one of those stupid, fucking, "HHH is holding down [blank]" jokes.....





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#74 Posted on
In a very rare moment, I'm not in a defensive mood. Hell, outside of this one, I've only sent, what, ONE POST on this thread? I'll just say that maybe HHH is an asshole, but the bookers are even BIGGER assholes for thinking that necro=money. And that about wraps it up for my take on this issue.

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#75 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.21

    Originally posted by spf2119
    I love how the HHH apologists love to set up the straw man of "you don't know what's going on backstage" as if to somehow say that the booking of HHH is not at all problematic. I don't care who is responsible for HHH being such a poorly booked character, I just know that he is. If you want to blame Vince or Steph or Gewirtz or whomever, fine. Hell, I'm sure if Vince wanted HHH to job to Booker at WM that he would have done so. The point is that SOMEONE in charge is making what I believe to be some very bad booking decisions.

    That said, what exactly in HHH's personality makes him somehow so much more compelling than the people that Irongeek brushed aside. Why is Kane's quest to validate his failed life and restore his honor by winning the WWE title somehow less valid. Why is RVD's too cool to be concerned with HHH persona somehow invalid as a champion, especially as a face champ? What is so interesting about HHH, a character who is becoming more and more of a blank slate to begin with lately, that he needs to have a strangle hold on the title? The cynical view that disregards RVD or Kane or Booker could just as easily paint HHH as "jacked up guy who likes having a title and hanging out with a crazy old man" and not be too far from the truth of his character.

    And Socks, to use your television analogy, imagine if on Friends every single story line ended with Rachel making fools of everyone on the show, and then all the other characters talking about how amazing Rachel is. Do you think the tv critics would question the writing at that point?



Maybe they would stop watching??????



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#76 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.91

    Originally posted by Nate The Snake
    No, he doesn't need the belt to look strong. However, he does need the belt as a character. That's the whole point of his character, is to be the champion. Whether you want to blame it on politics, bad writing, or cosmic rays, the way HHH is portrayed right now him not being obsessed with the belt would be out of character.


I don't think it would be that hard to portray Triple H as an arrogant heel bastard who thinks he is above and beyond the belt.

I would buy him as an uberstar who transcends titles like Austin or Rock, especially in a feud with Goldberg, another super-character in wrestling. I honestly don't mind seeing him on my television. I just hate it that no one else seems to get over when he's around. If we could have Triple H/Goldberg in a megafeud and Booker T/RVD or Jericho in a title feud, I would be happy. there's no reason why Triple H couldn't still be a top guy while other people are also allowed in the big time.



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#77 Posted on
My five cents

The object for those on top is to draw money obviously. When this doesn't happen a change is needed...ex Diesel's run, Michael's first run. HHH, post surgery has NOT drawn money...if anything numbers continue to drop. So why has Vince stuck with HHH anyway? This is where the Stephanie favoritism argument has merit IMO.

Since his monster push began in August 1999 can you name one wrestler who has been elevated by his presence? Jericho? Angle? Matt and Jeff Hardy? Kane? RVD? Benoit?

Now I'm not arguing against the original push because NO ONE liked him back then and the only way to get him over was to make him dominant. I was even for his win at WM2K because it made him THAT much stronger. But it started to go wrong at the July 2000 ppv when he beat Jericho and forgot about him the next night. It went to shit when he refused to go face and let Angle get Stephanie.

The straw that broke this camel's back is the last month of shows. I am as un PC as possible but even I was getting uncomfortable at what HHH was saying to Booker T. The only way I thought this is acceptable is if Booker gets his revenge at Wrestlemania. You want to put Booker over strong if he's going to lose? How about him kicking out of the pedigree or having Flair hit him with a chair and giving HHH the win that way? Why is the pedigree the most protected finisher in history??????

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#78 Posted on
Jakegnosis I agree that the belt would do way more for a Y2J vs. Booker T fued and would elevate them in the eyes of the casual fan. Furthermore, the casual fans are the ones that already know HHH and Golberg, so a belt isn't needed. If the WWE can pull in some more casual fans and get them acquainted with more wrestlers it will only help in the long run with the ratings(Hell even when Big Show was champ it didn't kill the ratings). So with better wrestlers than Big Show I think there would at least be a spike in veiwing. I think it's wrong for people to blame Trips though, when we would be upset with Undertaker,Austin, and the Rock with the belt. I will mark for Trips without the belt, hey I mark-out for Tajiri and Stevie Richards even when they are sent out to job.

Edit: Since they had HHH get the win, it was sicking to add the race angle. That was just wrong on their(WWE's) part.



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#79 Posted on
When I first started reading the IWC boards (about 7-8 months ago), everyone was ripping HHH and Undertaker for being overrated gloryhogs that refused to leave or even share the spotlight and put younger guys over.

Look at Wrestlemania. Compare HHH's current role in RAW with Taker's current role in Smackdown.



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#80 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96
Okay, let me throw my hat into the ring.

The WWF writers have established Triple H as a legit mat technician. I cite No Mercy 2000 against Benoit as evidence that HHH knows how to pick a guy apart to tell a story in the ring. Booker T wrestled against an established draw, a legit mat technician, and a strong heel at WrestleMania. The mat technician took apart his legs in heel goodness and thusly, was able to retain his title. Flair did similar things during his legendary runs.

Now, somebody cited Flair's ability to build up faces like Sting, Steamboat and others. Flair was either an EXCELLENT writer, or had excellent writing when he was wrestling. He could wrestle like the wind, that's for sure.

As for the whole HHHating...I have to agree, it is old. I don't like the guy just because he isn't entertaining to me. His matches now are pretty slow compared to his 2000 matches. Then again, he's facing different guys alltogether. I'm not gonna say that he's the head booker because I don't know that for a fact. All I know is that when he comes on the TV, I tune out for a bit until the next segment starts.

And I have to say that Benoit & Guerrero were established and legitimized by their association with Triple H when they turned on Foley when they debuted. If Benoit wasn't used as Triple H's assassin-style guy, he probably wouldn't have gotten over as much as he has. Triple H established Angle with the botched Love Triangle feud. Triple H & the Rock established each other.

Let's look at recent PPV matches. Since Triple H won the title on the RAW following SummerSlam 1999, here's who's beaten him and when:
The Rock [pinfall after Austin return run-in] Backlash '00
The Rock, Kane & Undertaker beat Vince, Shane & HHH at KOTR '00, but since Rock pinned Vince to win HHH's title, it only half-counts
The Rock [pinfall in 3-way w/Angle] SummerSlam '00
The Big Show [pinfall in 3-way w/Rock] Survivor Series '00
Kurt Angle [won HIAC 6-way by pinning Rock] Armageddon '00
Kurt Angle [pinfall after Austin run-in] Royal Rumble '01
Kane [pinfall] Judgment Day '01
The Undertaker [pinfall] WrestleMania XVII
Kurt Angle [pinfall after Stephanie hijinks] No Way Out '02
Hulk Hogan [pinfall after Undertaker run-in] Backlash '02
The Undertaker [pinfall, run-ins galore] KOTR '02
Shawn Michaels [pinfall] SummerSlam '02
Shawn Michaels [pinfall in 6-man Elim. Chamber] Survivor Series '02

So... In one-on-one PPV matches, Triple H has lost clean...twice. When the shows ROCKED the house (2000), nobody cared if Triple H was in every main event and won every time because his matches were crisp, fun, fresh and damned near impossible to hate. Now...he's slowed down.



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At Mania 19, during the UT/Jones vs. Show/A-Train, Taker gets A-Train into position for the tombstone... But everything isn't going well, and he's physically struggling to turn A-Train upside down. And he yells, clear as day, "HELP ME!"
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