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#21 Posted on

    Originally posted by darkmatcher

      Originally posted by Torchslasher
      Damn it, HHH is NOT THE BOOKER!

      Until I learn that HHH has personally booked his angle and title defenses, I'm not going to automatically blame Trips for the WWE's handling of him. Blame Vince M. if you want, but don't personally attack HHH. He's done nothing personally to you.

      And I've seen CRZ attack the conservative side (especially Pool-Boy) just as much as the left-leaning side.



    You honestly believe that someone who has their dick up the mouth of the boss' daughter isn't gaining any kind of political pull. Right.
    He also happened to "step up" around the time Austin was injured.
    Has plead allegiance to a web-friendly(sarcasm) clan known as the KLIQ.
    And of course it wasn't at all HHH's idea to have the belt literally handed to him on Raw.
    Yeah, these are just coincidences.



Well, the point was to find proof that he HAS done it. Is that too much to ask?

Anyway, after re-reading Synthare's post... no, it wasn't anything new, but it certainly was well-stated and, more importantly, not bitchy. Thank you.



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#22 Posted on

    Originally posted by darkmatcher
    He also happened to "step up" around the time Austin was injured.


Well, in his defense, he was next in the line for the kill.

You don't believe me, but I'm betting that you will.

He "stepped up" 'cause he was next in the game for the pain in the brain he knew was only just beginning.







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#23 Posted on
And how is it that in the span of ONE YEAR, Triple H returns to win the Undisputed Title from Chris Jericho at WrestleMania, is included in Hogan posedowns after Rock and Hulk Hogan's Herculean effort at WM X8, gets HANDED a World Title, loses it for only a matter of weeks, is made to ultimatley look better than Kane, RVD, HBK, Buh Buh Ray Dudley, Scott Steiner AND Booker T without any discernable elevation of any of these guys?

And some of you wonder why we're sick of HHH? Sure, a Booker T title win at WM might seem like a hotshot title change, but for goodness' sake, it couldn't have hurt now, could it? Especially with the events of tonight's RAW. It would have made a lot of sense to see an incensed former champ align with Y2J to lay down a beating on the new champ, Booker T. Plus, ratings haven't been, shall we say, all that spectacular since, well, around the time HHH became the "World" Champion, right? RIGHT?

(edited by RKMtwin on 31.3.03 2157)


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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00

    Originally posted by drjayphd
    Well, the point was to find proof that he HAS done it. Is that too much to ask.


I really don't want to get into this HHH shit but I just have to ask how can we find any proof of anything in this silly little sport? I mean all the info we get is from the big 3 websites and is always from "sources" without names. Its not like the WWE is going to come out and say to is shareholders who books what or who has more to say on their story lines.
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.44

    Originally posted by RKMtwin
    And how is it that in the span of ONE YEAR, Triple H returns to win the Undisputed Title from Chris Jericho at WrestleMania, is included in Hogan posedowns after Rock and Hulk Hogan's Herculean effort at WM X8, gets HANDED a World Title, loses it for only a matter of weeks, is made to ultimatley look better than Kane, RVD, HBK, Buh Buh Ray Dudley, Scott Steiner AND Booker T without any discernable elevation of any of these guys?

    And some of you wonder why we're sick of HHH? Sure, a Booker T title win at WM might seem like a hotshot title change, but for goodness' sake, it couldn't have hurt now, could it? Especially with the events of tonight's RAW. It would have made a lot of sense to see an incensed former champ align with Y2J to lay down a beating on the new champ, Booker T. Plus, ratings haven't been, shall we say, all that spectacular since, well, around the time HHH became the "World" Champion, right? RIGHT?

    (edited by RKMtwin on 31.3.03 2157)




If the plan is for HHH/Goldberg after the Rock feud, then yes, it would have hurt for Booker (who had been chasing the title for exactly one month) to defeat Triple H.

While not a dream match like Austin/Goldberg, a HHH/Goldberg match is still a probable big-money feud. It was not time for someone to go over HHH, especially a guy who was not treated as a main event talent until this past month (and trust me, I'm not happy that WWE put Booker in the midcard to begin with). Business-wise, this was a smart decision (having HHH go over at WM).

And I found the original post to be uber-bitchy. Furthermore, C Synthare brings up the name of Ric Flair. So what about all the reports of Flair clashing with Dusty and others, refusing to job the NWA/WCW belt in the early 90's? Flair was protective of his spot; all top wrestlers are. HHH is no different.

The difference is that Flair was sometimes in a position to veto losing the belt (when he was the booker). To my knowledge, HHH was never the primary booker. HHH was never the primary writer. HHH might have influence, but he does not have final say. Let's remember that before we tell HHH to job the belt.





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#26 Posted on

    Originally posted by Torchslasher
    If the plan is for HHH/Goldberg after the Rock feud, then yes, it would have hurt for Booker (who had been chasing the title for exactly one month) to defeat Triple H.

    While not a dream match like Austin/Goldberg, a HHH/Goldberg match is still a probable big-money feud. It was not time for someone to go over HHH, especially a guy who was not treated as a main event talent until this past month (and trust me, I'm not happy that WWE put Booker in the midcard to begin with). Business-wise, this was a smart decision (having HHH go over at WM).



Away with you and your logical arguments! You're obviously part of the HHH Foundation! SORCERER! BURN THE WITCH!



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#27 Posted on

    Originally posted by calvinh0560

      Originally posted by drjayphd
      Well, the point was to find proof that he HAS done it. Is that too much to ask.


    I really don't want to get into this HHH shit but I just have to ask how can we find any proof of anything in this silly little sport? I mean all the info we get is from the big 3 websites and is always from "sources" without names. Its not like the WWE is going to come out and say to is shareholders who books what or who has more to say on their story lines.



Exactly. We aren't. (shrug) Cynicism is good when it comes to wrestling sites reporting backstage stuff, but it has a tendency to sometimes mutate into bitterness.



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#28 Posted on
I can so not wait for the day the Jericho or Benoit or Booker do get their "Big Push" check that, Y2J had his he drew nothing.. and after they hold the title for a while and lose their novelty,the so called fans will turn on them when they lose interest. I remember watching Jericho and Benoit and Booker in WCW and I never considered any of them to be top of the pecking order. In Jerichos case he's too over the top as a comedic heel type and seems excel when in upper midcard feuds. Benoit for all of his mat ability and great technique has absolutely zero charisma, an essential part of what makes a title holder a big draw.And IMO Bookers title runs in WCW were very forgetable, almost like he was given the spot due to fan pressure or lack of legitimate full time starpower during that era in WCW. And all of these arguments sadly go back to when they were all in that fed and supposedly being held down... hey wait maybe because Nash and Hall were buddies w/ HHH he used his pull to get them all depushed circa 1997-98...conspiracy,woooooooo...spooky.



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#29 Posted on
    Originally posted by Nate The Snake

      Originally posted by Torchslasher
      If the plan is for HHH/Goldberg after the Rock feud, then yes, it would have hurt for Booker (who had been chasing the title for exactly one month) to defeat Triple H.

      While not a dream match like Austin/Goldberg, a HHH/Goldberg match is still a probable big-money feud. It was not time for someone to go over HHH, especially a guy who was not treated as a main event talent until this past month (and trust me, I'm not happy that WWE put Booker in the midcard to begin with). Business-wise, this was a smart decision (having HHH go over at WM).



    Away with you and your logical arguments! You're obviously part of the HHH Foundation! SORCERER! BURN THE WITCH!



Obviously, Nate the Snake is implying that anyone who doesn't agree with his point of view is illogical in their oipinion, and also flamed on others who voiced their dislike of HHH. That does NOT make your argument any stronger. (But then, did you make an argument or not?)

And on the contrast, I appreciate your comments, Torchslasher. I can definitely see your point. And you didn't have to insult anyone doing so. That's cool.

EDIT: BTW, as you can see below my post, you'll see the point I'm making. While not adding to the discourse in this thread, he simply throws fuel into the fire and is generally disrespectful. :/

(edited by RKMtwin on 31.3.03 2256)


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#30 Posted on

    Originally posted by RKMtwin
    Obviously, Nate the Snake is implying that anyone who doesn't agree with his point of view is illogical in their oipinion, and also flamed on others who voiced their dislike of HHH. That does NOT make your argument any stronger. (But then, did you make an argument or not?)


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#31 Posted on
I'm actually amazed that he thinks HHH will actually read this letter and CONSIDER IT VERY SERIOUSLY.

You're one of many. He doesn't care.



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#32 Posted on
Okay, 1, I think ppl here are a little tough on newbies. When I was new, I had no idea what had happened here before I registered, and only an idiot would care. You can't expect the guy to read 4 months of old posts to get caught up on the general mood of the 'Ville.

Second, CRZ flames everyone at some point. So no big deal there. You even get to appreciate it after a while.

Third, the angle is CONTINUING folks. Yes, Booker T jobbed at 'Mania. But Flair cheated a million times in that match. Then Booker made Flair beg like a bitch on RAW tonight and showed intensity that we've NEVER seen from him. I'm sorry, but Booker T winning the title at 'Mania would have gone completely forgotten on a show that featured HBK/Shawn, Angle/Lesnar, Rock/Austin, and Hogan/Vince. The beatdowns with HBK and Booker indicate BOTH feuds are continuing. Out of Y2J and Book, I'd say Jericho needed the 'Mania win WAY more because his match was a special attraction and Shawn's not full time, and I don't see who shawn sucked off to deserve to come in and beat Trips at Summerslam, win the Elimination Chamber, beat Jericho...Without working regularly. It makes him look a thousand times better than HHH and Y2J who are full time and working house shows and need credibility to draw on the road. It doesn't make sense for this guy to go over anyone clean under any circumstances.




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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.59
See, my problem with the whole Goldberg/HHH match is that you can sell it without the title. People will go see that match if the title is not on the line ie Rock/Hogan. And why does Goldberg deserve a shot at the title a month in when it took Booker T almost two years to get a shot at a world title after Invasion? You could have a huge PPV on Judgedment Day with Jericho vs. Booker T for the title and HHH/Goldberg since there will be no Rock and maybe even no Austin either. It makes no sense to say HHH/Goldberg for the belt is the right call when there will be no interest in any of the other matches, because there is nothing at stake. Booker with the belt will at least create new fueds. Its painfully obvious that HHH with the belt will no create new fueds, he is going to crush everyone while JR says "Heck of an effort, insert mid-carder's name here, but HHH is still the Game."

If the point of Wrestlemania is to make new stars then why is the WWE home grown ones the only people getting pushes? Everyone who won last night on the PPV has been either a WWF mainstayer or someone who came straight from the farm system. Add in Lawler and JR's comments during the Booker T match and you can obviously see they are never seriously going to push people from other companies and when they do they'll be jobbed out in a matter of moments. When Jericho was champ, Austin and Rock gave their all by making him a star and Jericho helped his cause to with great promos and matches. As soon as HHH came on the scene, he was done. If you want to point to influence and control, there is exhibit A. Wrestlemania was not about HHH vs. Jericho, it was about HHH vs. Steph. At least in Angel vs. Lesnar, Heyman had the common sense to stay the hell away from that match and let them wrestle.

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#34 Posted on
I'm sorry, Y2J never beat Austin or Rock clean. They were clearly portrayed as superior to him. None of his pins on Rock were clean. This is not one of the guys rock put over "like a champ". I'm sorry. It didn't work for him because he was never put over on anyone. He couldn't beat Maven clean. But this one wasn't all Triple H's fault, this was bad writing out WWE's ass from day one.



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#35 Posted on
Hogan, do you seriously think that Booker T will be beating HHH for the title at any point in this angle? If not, then what is the point of the angle continuing if it is going to result in another failure for Booker T on a PPV? If you do think so...would you care to wager on that? Obviously no money involved, but I'm sure we could come up with something regarding sig quotes :)



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#36 Posted on
I'll throw my input in here. The previous post was quoted as saying that Jericho didn't beat Rock or Austin clean. Actually, when the hell did Jericho win clean as champ? Not a damn time! If I am not mistaken, I believe HHH may have been part of that booking committee at the time but do not quote me on it because it was hard enough having a "lame" champion at that point and I pretty much tried to block out some of that stuff.

There always seems to be so much piss and vinegar when it comes to HHH and the politics and whatever else people have to say about him. The bottom line is this: We do not run the WWE, or do we have booking power or anything else of that sort. Lots of us think we know what the WWE should do and we all have our ideas of what "proper" booking would be like. I don't know about you guys but does anyone have any idea how difficult it may be to run the WWE? Has anyone ever given thought that maybe, just maybe there is some apprehension to giving the belt to someone new? In no way am I the biggest HHH fan out there. I think he is ok but there are others I like better.

It is kind of like where I work. It is a small company but any type of big move is either good or bad for the business. Case in point, we hired extra phone reps and all sorts of other resources because business was good. Now business is bad, we have had to cut back, causing us to not want to make some gutsy decisions. I think the same may be true with the WWE. Business is not going all that well, it really hasn't for some time and I will go on record to say that it wasn't going well back before August. With business in decline, the decision to keep the champion the same is somewhat comforting to the WWE because it is not a risk that may have good or bad results. Sure, you could hotshot the belt around but then you take credibility off of the belt but who's counting.

The main point is: everyone says it is politics, HHH is screwing the boss's daughter, this and that and the other thing. What if it isn't any of those reasons but maybe something else no one else has thought of? Just something to chew on. Thanks for reading if you got this far.



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#37 Posted on
Eh. Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah.

Anyone as pretentious as to post an "Open Letter" to somebody who will, in all likely hood, never read what was posted, and who, at the very very least wouldn't care even if he did, deserves to get shot down. Post your feelings, fine, but don't get all stuffy when you don't have to, that's just dumb.

Secondly, he's new, so he probably shouldn't have started a thread on this. Whoa whoa whoa. Hey, now, hear me out. No, I don't expect him to go back and read every post ever on the Weinerboard. But for God's sake, if you're new ANYWHERE, the safe bet is to lurk around a little bit, get a feel of what's going on what the protocol is, what people do and don't like to talk about, before you start in, because a) just because you're new doesn't mean you have anything new to say, and b) it just makes sense to get acquainted with people around you before you start in, especially on tired topics.

Then again, of course, all this coming a few hours after Triple H made Hurricane look like a billion dollars, kind of comes off pointless, to me. Especially since Rock, Austin, Michaels and Jericho have been getting as much time, if not more time than he has lately.

And plus, if HHHaters are sick of HHHis appologists and the other way around, then really, aren't we just spinning our wheels? Who cares? It's not like either side is going to convince the other, so why in the hell even bring it up? Just so we can share our newest cute nickname for him or so we can bitch about the people that came up with cute nicknames? It's ridiculous.

Fan, I like you, but "asking" to be banned is just lame. Come on, trying to be a martyr on a free wrestling board? Eh. Get over it. It's not worth the effort.

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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.91

    Originally posted by Excalibur05
    Eh. Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah.

    Anyone as pretentious as to post an "Open Letter" to somebody who will, in all likely hood, never read what was posted, and who, at the very very least wouldn't care even if he did, deserves to get shot down.



I always thought "open letter" was pretty much synonomous with "opinion piece about [insert subject here]." Open letters seem to be more column than correspondence. It's like a gimmick for a column, not an actual letter. Assuming the subject is going to read it and care IS insane, but I don't think that's the point.

Just a quibble, and I may be wrong.

Arguing this is probably more interesting than arguing for/against Triple H, anyway.



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#39 Posted on
    Originally posted by Jakegnosis

      Originally posted by Excalibur05
      Eh. Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah.

      Anyone as pretentious as to post an "Open Letter" to somebody who will, in all likely hood, never read what was posted, and who, at the very very least wouldn't care even if he did, deserves to get shot down.



    I always thought "open letter" was pretty much synonomous with "opinion piece about [insert subject here]." Open letters seem to be more column than correspondence. It's like a gimmick for a column, not an actual letter. Assuming the subject is going to read it and care IS insane, but I don't think that's the point.

    Just a quibble, and I may be wrong.

    Arguing this is probably more interesting than arguing for/against Triple H, anyway.



I believe that, in concept, you're supposed to think that the intended target will actually read it, but you are displaying it for public consumption as well.

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#40 Posted on

    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    I'm sorry, Y2J never beat Austin or Rock clean. They were clearly portrayed as superior to him. None of his pins on Rock were clean. This is not one of the guys rock put over "like a champ". I'm sorry. It didn't work for him because he was never put over on anyone. He couldn't beat Maven clean. But this one wasn't all Triple H's fault, this was bad writing out WWE's ass from day one.


Rock put Y2J over more than anyone near the main event. During the main event push of Y2J, Rock put him over at No Mercy 2001 with the finish being the facebuster on a chair. Then again at Vengence with a low blow into a Rock Bottom. Rock jobbed clean to Jericho on a ROCK BOTTOM. Then again at Royal Rumble 2002 with a face to an exposed turnbuckle into a roll up with the ropes. Vengence was very clean and the other two were about as close to clean as heels usually get in WWE. Either way Y2J beat Rock at at three ppv's in a four month span. He was equal to him. Austin and HHH were different stories.



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