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HERE'S A BIG LIST! Find it also at The Big A (amazon.com), where they also have a long list of criteria where you get their definition of "debut" AND a discussion page of their own...

1. Boy (The W at Amazon) by U2
2. Birth Of The Cool (Rudy Van Gelder Edition) by Miles Davis
3. The Velvet Underground & Nico by The Velvet Underground
4. Led Zeppelin by Led Zeppelin
5. Unknown Pleasures [Collector's Edition] by Joy Division
6. The Piper At The Gates of Dawn (stereo version) by Pink Floyd
7. Bleach by Nirvana
8. Bob Dylan by Bob Dylan
9. Kill 'Em All by Metallica
10. Funeral by Arcade Fire
11. Reasonable Doubt by Jay-Z
12. The Smiths by The Smiths
13. Grace by Jeff Buckley
14. My Aim Is True by Elvis Costello
15. Horses by Patti Smith
16. Here Come The Warm Jets by Brian Eno
17. Elvis Presley by Elvis Presley
18. Appetite For Destruction [Explicit] by Guns N' Roses
19. The Who Sings My Generation by The Who
20. Movement [Collector's Edition] by New Order
21. Slanted & Enchanted by Pavement
22. Catch A Fire by Bob Marley
23. The College Dropout [Explicit] by Kanye West
24. Greetings From Asbury Park, N.J. by Bruce Springsteen
25. England's Newest Hitmakers by The Rolling Stones
26. Pablo Honey [Explicit] by Radiohead
27. Murmur by R.E.M.
28. Talking Heads 77 by Talking Heads
29. Coltrane by John Coltrane
30. Ten by Pearl Jam
31. Paid In Full by Eric B. & Rakim
32. The Doors [40th Anniversary Mixes] by The Doors
33. Are You Experienced by Jimi Hendrix
34. Ready To Die The Remaster [Explicit] by The Notorious B.I.G.
35. The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill by Lauryn Hill
36. Van Halen by Van Halen
37. The Chirping Crickets by Buddy Holly
38. The Clash (UK Version) by The Clash
39. Enter The Wu-Tang by Wu-Tang Clan
40. Licensed To Ill by Beastie Boys
41. Nevermind The Bollocks, Here's The Sex Pistols by Sex Pistols
42. Madonna (Bonus Tracks) by Madonna
43. The Chronic [Explicit] by Dr. Dre
44. Doggystyle [Explicit] by Snoop Doggy Dogg
45. A Pesar De Todo by Vicente Fernandez
46. Peoples' Instinctive Travels & the Paths of Rhythm by A Tribe Called Quest
47. Illmatic [Explicit] by Nas
48. Marquee Moon by Television
49. Pink Flag by Wire
50. Exile In Guyville by Liz Phair
51. The Modern Lovers by The Modern Lovers
52. Five Leaves Left by Nick Drake
53. Parachutes by Coldplay
54. Entertainment! by Gang Of Four
55. Come Away With Me by Norah Jones
56. Dummy by Portishead
57. Gish by The Smashing Pumpkins
58. Music From Big Pink by The Band
59. The Stooges [Deluxe Edition] by The Stooges
60. Pretenders [Reissue] by The Pretenders
61. Santana by Santana
62. Creedence Clearwater Revival by Creedence Clearwater Revival
63. Dreamboat Annie by Heart
64. New York Dolls by The New York Dolls
65. Outlandos D'Amour by Police
66. Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers by Tom Petty & The Heart Breakers
67. Rage Against The Machine [Explicit] by Rage Against The Machine
68. Brown Sugar [Explicit] by D'Angelo
69. Funkadelic by Funkadelic
70. RUN-DMC by RUN-DMC
71. Fleet Foxes by Fleet Foxes
72. Give Up by The Postal Service
73. Incognegro [Explicit] by Ludacris
74. Calle 13 (Explicit Version) by Calle 13
75. Alejandro Fernandez by Alejandro Fernandez
76. Get Rich Or Die Tryin by 50 Cent
77. Guitars, Cadillacs, Etc., Etc. by Dwight Yoakam
78. Superfuzz Bigmuff: Deluxe Edition by Mudhoney
79. Falta amor by Maná
80. Lee Ann Womack by Lee Ann Womack
81. Takin' Off (Rudy Van Gelder Edition) by Herbie Hancock
82. Art Blakey And The Jazz Messengers by Art Blakey & The Jazz Messengers
83. Is This It by The Strokes
84. Weezer by Weezer
85. Little Earthquakes by Tori Amos
86. Violent Femmes: Deluxe Edition by Violent Femmes
87. Blue Lines by Massive Attack
88. The B-52's by The B-52's
89. Monster Movie by Can
90. Confusion Is Sex by Sonic Youth
91. Debut by Bjork
92. Storms Of Life by Randy Travis
93. Viva Hate by Morrissey
94. (Pronounced 'Leh-'Nérd 'Skin-'Nérd) by Lynyrd Skynyrd
95. Oh, Inverted World by The Shins
96. Roxy Music by Roxy Music
97. Homework by Daft Punk
98. Diamond Life by Sade
99. CooleyHighHarmony by Boyz II Men
100. #1 Record/Radio City by Big Star

SO.

What belongs here? What DOESN'T belong here? What should be higher/lower? Is anything missing?

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I try not to get worked up by lists like this and roll my eyes at those who do, but...Bjork at #91?! And no Pretty Hate Machine? Otherwise it's an interesting list to try.



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I hate it when jazz is used like this - to make a list look cooler because it includes jazz. So, ya' know, the creators of said list are totally hip because they listen to "jazz" and they listen to Coltrane (but only the early stuff, before he got clean) and Art Blakey - oh, and did you know Herbie Hancock didn't just do Rockit and provide a bunch of samples for hip hop?

I don't know - I like the inclusion of Television, Gang of Four, Pavement and The Modern Lovers - but there's little on here that strikes me as inspired. There's a weird hipster vibe that I am not too keen on, I guess.






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Well, this list is very interesting to me because I edit a similar list which you can find at http://digitaldreamdoor.nutsie.com/pages/best_albums-debut.html

While they do spend a good deal of time explaining their eligibility criteria, they're kind of vague about what their ranking criteria are (i.e. how much weight to quality, impact, success, etc.). My list isn't supposed to be about quality or how much I like it at all; it's strictly success, impact, and influence. Also, jazz wasn't eligible for my list.

Given that their list encompasses jazz and pop as well as rock, I have to wonder why there is so much recent stuff on their list. (OK, I'm guessing I don't really have to wonder--it's because there's more sales possibility there and the labels want the newer stuff on it.) How in the world can you leave out the Byrds' first album? Where's the first Beatles album--not as important as some of the later ones, but still pretty big. I think Chicago, Traffic, and Joe Jackson's debuts stack up pretty well in importance next to those of D'Angelo, Lee Ann Womack (country also wasn't eligible for my list) and Fleet Foxes, myself.

I would (and did) put Jimi Hendrix, Pearl Jam, and Run-DMC a lot higher than they have them. OTOH, I'm going to consider Kanye West and Jay-Z for spots on my list when I revise, and I'd be interested in people's comments on that (or anything else about my list).

I should point out that a few things on their list were deemed in eligible for the one I edit. REM and Coldplay, for example, had more-than-EPs out before their albums listed here (more than four songs) which we judged to be their true debuts. Bob Marley had several albums out in Jamaica before Catch A Fire, so I didn't consider it his debut, and I didn't count things like the Lauryn Hill album where the performer was already well-known. (You could make a real case for Crosby Stills & Nash or even the Traveling Wilburys under their rules.)
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    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
    I would (and did) put Jimi Hendrix, Pearl Jam, and Run-DMC a lot higher than they have them. OTOH, I'm going to consider Kanye West and Jay-Z for spots on my list when I revise, and I'd be interested in people's comments on that (or anything else about my list).



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I think I like Peter's list better. Must be the difference between including Boston at #11 and including... Arcade Fire at #10.

All that hip hop and no DJ Shadow (The W at Amazon)?

Debuts surely only I like:
Gus Gus - Polydistortion
The Orb - The Orb's Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld
LFO - Frequencies
Newcleus - Jam On Revenge
The Egyptian Lover - On the Nile
Depeche Mode - Speak & Spell

Previously mentioned debuts I ditto:
Joe Jackson
Traffic
Nine Inch Nails
Public Enemy (well, mentioned on Peter's list)

Actually, I wonder if Public Enemy and NIN didn't make it because you can't buy it at AmazonMP3. Heaven forbid their "editors" select something they're not selling!

I do like "Licensed to Ill" a LOT, but it's so different from the rest of the Beastie Boys ouvre...

Joseph, you're not Sean Shannon, are you?

I'm sure I'll have more thoughts later.








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    Originally posted by CRZ
    Joseph, you're not Sean Shannon, are you?


What does it say when this was the first thing that crossed my mind too?
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I'm pretty sure next to nobody knew about Bleach until Nevermind came out, so I don't think it should be that high. (Even though I do like it a LOT.)



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My o my, where the hell is Surfer Rosa?



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I love Arcade Fire. Like, LOVE them. I proposed to my fiance during their concert. We're getting married in June. We plan to play a song off of that album at the wedding. It's one of my favorite albums of all time. But, to say it's in the top ten historically is bunk. I mean, it's amazing, beautiful, and all of that, but in the grand scheme of things, it's not as historically important as Appetite for Destruction, Ten, or The Who Sings My Generation.

It makes me feel guilty and ashamed that they ranked it that high. It's weird :)



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.54
    Originally posted by SchippeWreck
    I'm pretty sure next to nobody knew about Bleach until Nevermind came out, so I don't think it should be that high. (Even though I do like it a LOT.)


Most people don't own it.



"Boy" at #1 is patently absurd and renders the entire list useless.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.02
    Originally posted by CRZ
    I think I like Peter's list better. Must be the difference between including Boston at #11 and including... Arcade Fire at #10.

    Debuts surely only I like:

    The Egyptian Lover - On the Nile




Are you kidding? "What is a DJ if he can't scratch? What is a MC if he can't rap? What is a beat without a live clap? Well, I can do it all, baby, just like that." Awesome.

Thanks for liking mine better.

If we're going to talk about debuts we like (as opposed to those of "importance", I have to mention Marshall Crenshaw's and Reunion Wilderness by The Railway Children for wonderful power-pop goodness.

Joseph, Bjork's solo debut wouldn't be eligible for my list because she was already prominent as lead singer of the Sugarcubes. It would have to be Life's Too Good, which certainly has some importance, but I don't that it really qualifies by my list's criteria.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.15

YES, I totally blanked on DJ Shadow's Endtroducing, despite it being one of my favorites of all time and the closest I think I've heard to a "flawless" album. I keep forgetting that was his debut. Should definitely be there for quality and impact, if not for "success."

I hadn't noticed that but I bet that truly is why NIN is nowhere to be found.

No, I'm not Sean Shannon. Big Bjork fan, I presume?

ETA: Peter, gotcha, that makes sense. I totally missed that rule of yours.

(edited by Joseph Ryder on 30.1.09 1335)


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Being a fan of a few Patti Smith songs over the years, I had to listen to the samples from "Horses" (15) and found myself thinking "Who in their right mind gave her a recording contract?"

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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.63
    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    "Boy" at #1 is patently absurd and renders the entire list useless.


I love U2 and think Boy is a great album, but you're right, it's definitely not the best debut of all time.



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As far as influential albums go, I'd put Korn by Korn on that list, if for no reason that that album was what put nu-metal on the map, for better or worse. It may not have aged particularly well, but you have to respect the fact that no-one else sounded like them at the time and they influenced a LOT of bands. Honourable mention to Adrenaline by Deftones.

Also, Burn My Eyes by Machine Head, but that's just because that album is awesome.



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