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#1 Posted on
I was totally bored by RAW. That, and I couldn't remember a damn thing form last Monday's RAW. It used to be that RAW was the show that went so quick it left me looking at the clock and wondering where time went.

Not that I felt the whole show wasn't to my liking, the Booker/Goldust segment feud was a welcome sight(RVD/Booker was subpar, but it can't be a classic everytime out). I thought it was funny and the match on pay per view could be decent.

My whole point is, MAN, I was bored with RAW. 'Taker's promo, was boring (I usually like his promos). I just felt it was weak all in all. That and it reminds me of how I felt when I was watching the old Two Man Power trip RAW's. I don't know, I'm just frustrated with the RAW show lately. That and the nWo/Austin/Flair thing is just stale with me. I mean one show a week and we get practically the same main event for three weeks? I don't know, I'm just frustrated.

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#2 Posted on
Yeah, I was bored too. I didn't hate the show, but I wasn't impressed.

I felt pretty much the way the crowd did when Flair announced the same match he did last week. I wasn't thinking about who was going to turn. I wasn't thinking about what the outcome would be. I was thinking about changing the channel to the Montreal/Boston playoff game.

Well they finally had somebody go nuts on Hogan and actually act like a heel...and I bet odds on that Taker STILL gets a pop at the PPV.

That was an entertaining "in a house show sort of way" hardcore match. Did I hear JR say "she-male"?

So what...Is Richards now Jazz's valet? Will Richards come out in black bikini tights and a Chippendales bowtie? (Actually, that could be a funny angle.)

I'd complain more about the schmozz in the RVD/Booker T match, but I got to see that match without the schmozz at a house show recently, so I won't. The Booker/Goldust stuff is still entertaining.

If Brock ever actually has to PIN a wrestler, will he even know how to go about it?

If Guerrero has to carefully position his opponent to properly do a frog splash, and RVD can hit any wrestler in any position from any vantage point, what makes Eddie's frog splash so much better than RVD's?

Ah who cares. "Spider-Man" comes out this weekend. Nothing else matters.

Since: 2.1.02
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#3 Posted on
Actually, I found myself feeling the way I have the last few weeks, generally enjoying the mid-card, being bored to tears by the top card.

-Eddy once again makes everything good. I dug the match with D'Lo on Heat last night, and I enjoyed him vs. Jeff Hardy tonight. And I think next time with RVD ought to be even better than the last one.

-Booker and Goldust was just perfect. The Denzel and Lil Kim line had me rolling on the floor. I'm looking forward to the promos in that feud. And Booker will make a fine face I think.

-I don't know if anyone else noticed it, but there was a lot of sustained heat for Bubba even though it was a comedy match. I think he may the person most benefitting from the split right now.

-Lesnar continues the Goldberg push. Again though I liked that someone got a momentary advantage on him, which he just plowed through after a few moments. I like the slow build with him. Let him tear through people for a good long while before making him show some ass.

-Regal gave the greatest promo in wrestling history tonight. He became my favorite wrestler, my role model...and yes, my hero after that.

-Sadly not everything was good. Bradshaw's promo was functional but uninspiring. Better though than...

-I heard people yelling the "B" word during the Taker promo...and I felt the same. Boring boring boring is all I can say about that one. It dragged on, the hooded sweatshirt looked goofy, and it just seemed to meander. But it was better still than...

-Austin is making me want to slit my wrists. I know the "what" thing is over and all that so I don't blame him for milking another million t-shirt sales. But he seems so damn uninspired about it. And was there nothing else they could come up with than the "evil owner vs. rebel Austin" storyline they've used for 5 years now? This angle sucks ass. And it's dragging down my overall enjoyment of Raw with it. I keep wishing they could trade Taker, Austin, and the NWO to SD! for Angle, Jericho and Benoit.

"You used it to shove your miserable daughter down our throats week in and week out...not anymore!" - Ric Flair gives me hope, Raw 3/18/02

"I thought it was cool how HHH just tossed Jericho out of the ring and made him vanish, possibly into another dimension, at the end of the match." - Dr. Unlikely says the funniest thing I've ever read on Wienerville
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#4 Posted on
Bubba Ray officially became the New Road Dogg tonight.

Nothing too exciting, Regal`s promo was cool, Booker`s face turn is entertaining, Eddie/Jeff was quality.

Stevie in cahoots with Jazz?

Molly got a haircut and it looks good, of course. :)

"Why don't you say 'what' if you like to sleep with your own sister." - The Undertaker

Since: 21.2.02

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#5 Posted on
I have now declined to tune in for the last two RAWs and the last five Smackdown!s.

Another reason to tune out: Presumably the Austin/Flair feud is going to lead to a PPV match between them somewhere down the line. Presumably the split angle will lead to more VKM VS Flair matches down the line. Those two main events are, in essence, what the fed the building towards as their main draw for the rest of 2002. I am not inspired to watch.

I'll say it again. There are a horde of main-eventers that are above the fed title. None of them have anything fresh to offer in their current incarnations. Some -major- gimmick changes need to be made or the WWF will die a slow death. Its a risk, yes. But all gimmicks have a shelf life. The WWF seems to want to draw every last drop of blood from the stone instead of keeping things fresh. As a result the top of card is completely rotten now.

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#6 Posted on

    Originally posted by Mr Heel II
    If Brock ever actually has to PIN a wrestler, will he even know how to go about it?

Hey, good idea! He could be like Kamala used to be. When he's got his opponent down, Paul E. can tell him to roll the guy over so he can pin him.


Since: 2.1.02
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#7 Posted on
I liked Raw except, as is becoming more and more common, where Stone Cold is concerned. I mean if you're gonna have a screwjob ending it's usually a good idea to make it look like the screw-ees had some chance of winning. Instead we get a heaping helping of squash, with the jobbers getting screwed. Pardon the expression but... what?

Otherwise Raw was actually quite enjoyable. Booker/RVD was good... Eddie/Jeff was really good... Bubba/Jazz was a good comedy match... Goldust and Booker are still gold (no pun intended)... and Planet Stasiak gets knocked out of orbit by Lesnar. Even Hogan/Taker was watchable.

Seriously... Both HHHes can stay as long as they want... Austin, however, can f*** off and die.

That and whoever OKed Bradshaw's "celibate priest" joke needs to be dragged out and shot. I like Bradshaw but damn, that was just wrong.

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#8 Posted on
No, I liked Raw. Maybe the secret is drinking enough coffee beforehand. [G] Booker and Goldust: hilarity. Regal's promo surrounded by Hulk merchandise: incredible. I even enjoyed Taker's promo, because any time a wrestler mentions something that happened more than six months ago, I appreciate it more than I can say, and he was recalling real history of 11 or 12 years past. Didn't you like that image of the little Hulkamaniacs hiding and crying when the Reaper came out? I did. ;-) That was great stuff.

I'm also wondering when the hell Flair is going to pull up his panties and quit bending over for Stone Cold. Is this all prelude to a heel turn? Even though I'd rather Flair remained a face, he's starting to look very weak. What's the deal?


Edit: Good point about the celibate priest joke. That was...icky.

(edited by Madame Manga on 29.4.02 2338)

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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.10
Not a great show except the fact that the Undertaker is AWESOME!

Whatcha gonna do? I'm gonna beat you down like the bitch you are!

(edited by Jackson on 30.4.02 0101)
Bubbles? Oh come on Sharon! Iím Ozzy Osbourne the Prince of Fucking Darkness. Evil, evil, more fucking evil not a boatload of fucking bubbles man.
Net Hack Slasher

Since: 6.1.02
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#10 Posted on
I really think this was the weakest Raw since the split.

Bradshaw - this is without a doubt one of the hardest pushes to watch, I've seen in a long time. His Bill Mayhr impression on picking on the catholic prists wasn't funny or approprite.

Bradshaw/Austin v. nWo - this match again and somewhat of this paring again next week. Urh Bradshaw looks so out of place in this. I did see him limping after the match, and I thought he was selling but then I remember who he was so the question is "how hurt is he?"

Jeff v. Eddie - It still amazing/shocking that the Hardyz have lost all there reaction except for the 16 year old girls.. For a weak show this was one of the few highlights.

Booker/Goldust stuff is entertaining, I hope they don't just blow this off and have them split. Last time I was this entertained by a new put-together team was DDP and Christian and they broke them off right away, and look where both of them are now.

I'm actually really disapointed that I didn't get Stratusfied this week, I think the womens stuff (especially Molly and Trish) has been a real highlight since the split and how lame the show is I think something envolving these two women would be again another "hit side" on the show

(edited by Net Hack Slasher on 30.4.02 0301)
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Since: 12.3.02
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#11 Posted on
Nahhh. . .this RAW didn't do too much for me.

Jeff/Eddy was good (But Jeff, c'mon, what's up with the baby vomit you had smeared all over you?) As was the Booker T/Golddust bits. Taker almost stole the show, except Regal scooped him with that hilarious ass promo.

But my GOD. . .how many times can we have the same main event matchup? I realize the Ric is eveil/No he's not storyline is being played out slowly (and it's not uninteresting, at least) But my God. . .there's a lot to hate hanging around the edges of it.

Like Bradshaw. Ugh. Every time the guy gets rolling on a promo it's like he lsoes his step midway through. Decide whether you're gonna be the educated Texan or the APA badass, because trying to be both is making for promos I'd describe as "ghastly."

The rest was. . .well, just kinda there. I think a little bit more needs to be done with Brock now, thanks. Him crushing folks was Ok for a bit, now let's point him at a belt. Let Spike bump for him like he did Mike Awesome back in the day and get hiim over as a severe badass.

Not a terrible show, but not an impactful one either.

"I fight alone, but at least I'm gonna die."
Spaceman Spiff

Since: 2.1.02
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#12 Posted on
I'll agree w/ the "Worst Raw Since the Split" sentiments. the only thing I dug about the entire show was Regal's promo on Hogan, and 'Taker's beatdown on Hogan. None of the matches did anything for me. Smoe random thoughts:

--I'm going to slap the next person who says "Jeff Hardy is the next Shawn Michaels". Eddie practically had to hold his hand and walk him through that match. And Hardy was taking his bumps like he was Hogan.

--Keep Bradshaw away from the mic. That promo was awful. And while we're at it, keep it out of Terri Runnels hands as well.

--I was looking forward to RVD/Booker. Match was a huge disappointment when compared to their match on the 1st Raw after the split.

--So, one of the all-time greats, and a pioneer in the business passes away, and the only mention of his name was "Austin w/ the Lou Thesz Press"? Boo, WWF, boo.

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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.44
RAW might have gone down in the books as mediocre if not for one thing. STEVIE RICHARDS HAS GOLD. *Plus* he's likely banging Jazz. Stevie Richards is indeed the man's man.

My thought, otherwise, is that the WWF is overexposing itself. It's ok to have Taker and Hogan on the roster. They've both lost a step over the years, but they can draw. But I doubt the wisdom in making them fight each other. I don't think the average fan cares about workrate as much as the people on this board might, but when matches look this bad, people will notice. I actually think the main event scene will look better when Kane gets back. He wrestles like a big man, but he does it with some semblance of energy, and I think that's what counts. Too bad any potential angle development with him, his mask and X-Pac will likely be abandoned.

In closing, Stevie Rules.

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Since: 22.1.02

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#14 Posted on
I'm not really surprised--I know he was a legend in the early years of wrestling, but I don't really expect those kind of acknowledgements unless it's a former/current WWF personality, or someone important to a WWF bigwig [the way JR put over Gordon Solie after Solie's death.] They usually don't even do anything when spouses of WWF employees pass away, and I don't really expect them to do it for someone who had no connection to the WWF.

Were WCW still around, I would expect them to say something, but even then I'd be a little surprised.

I fast forwarded through most of this RAW. Looks like I picked the wrong time to start watching again. But Regal's promo was aces by me. It was almost a quasi-shoot, because he said what I think a lot of wrestling fans are thinking.


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#15 Posted on
--Nobody has thought of Jeff Hardy as the next Shawn Michaels for the past year at least.

--I love Booker T. and always have, but I don't remember him actually LOOKING as stupid as he acts in WCW. The way his eyes are bugged out and all, he looks completely clueless. Is it the hair? Is it *acting*? Is it just my perception?

--Loved, loved, Goldust's reaction to Booker costing him the match.

--a)That crowd turned on Ric Flair pretty fast. This angle is a great twist on the McMahon/Austin '98 storyline. Hopefully the pay-off isn't Ric Flair as Vince-Lite.
b)I heard some cheers for Hogan, but I didn't actually see anyone *its got to be bad camerawork to be focusing in on the small patches of non-Hulkamaniacs*. Yeah, that has to be it.
c)Buffalo has no love for the wrestling legends.

--For all those people who say Jim Ross was a jerk, how outrageous it was that he didn't even mention the passing of Lou Thesz, you people are way out of line and flat-out wrong. When Austin hit his move, JR didn't just say, "Austin with the Lou Thesz Press." He said, "Austin with the Lou Thesz Press." There was that obvious added emphasis in saying his name that was a brilliant, yet subtle tipping of the cap to the Thesz family without detracting from the mega-important in-ring action.

--Not only did JR blow that, there was a sequence in the show where Jerry Lawler attempted to stir the pot (and did a good job, I might add) by connecting Flair's actions from the heel's perspective--and JR's response was a muffled, stammering "I don't know, King." It's that kind of storytelling from the broadcast booth and chemistry that makes JR the best in the business.

--If there wasn't such a huge drop-off from the #1 play-by-play guy to #2, I might actually hate JR for his last 18 months of total sucktitude.

--I don't care how many times Kurt Angle pronounces it "ANg'na" will always be "anJEYEna" accompanied by middle schoolish giggles.

--Most everyone else pegged Raw as being pretty ho-hum, but come on...for a sports entertainment show, that was some really entertaining playoff hockey, playoff basketball, and Spider-Man premiere on.


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Since: 5.1.02
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#16 Posted on

    >Molly got a haircut and it looks good, of course. :)

I missed the 1st 50min of the show anyone got a pic of Molly w/ the new do.

Now for my 2 cents. Although i missed the 1st hr i enjoyed what I saw. I'll agree Austin is in a funk right now no doubt about it. But like Taker, Foley, and even Hogan (yeah i said Hogan) always seem to come up w/ somthing gold just when you think there thier better days are behind them. I guess thats why they are considered the best. I chalk it up as he's working w/ guys who are just now trying to find thier niche in the upper card, (Bradshaw, Hall, X-pac damn near everyone except Taker and Hogan) Mabey i'm reching but im sticking to it

I'm given him 5 months before he goes on my shit list. Which currently includes D-Von, Henning and Bossman.
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#17 Posted on
Like pretty much everybody, I loved the Regal promo. I want to know where they dug up the old Hulkamania painter's cap. Regal can just really get into that kind of thing, and having it be a throwback to the 80s backstage promos was nice. If only he'd been in front of a plain blue backdrop with a "William Regal" logo on it to go all out.

The Undertaker promo...well, some of my favorite UT moments are those long, rambling interviews he used to do ("I don't sleep!") with weird payoffs. He has or had a knack for telling those neverending stories in a deadpan delivery that end up being really funny, and I think he was going for that this week, but it missed the mark.

With the Regal and UT promos, I'm hoping we get at least one old-school Hogan promo out of this where he's backstage in front of a Hulkster logo, talking about earthquakes and world-destroying floods and carrying the Hulkamanaics on his back and backstroking out of frame. promo of all time, brah.

As was mentioned by others in the preview thread, turning Big Show last week and not having him be there this week was really stupid. Unlike a lot of people, I haven't suddenly decided that Austin is public enemy #1 (I still don't get that massive shift in opinion), but there's not much even Austin can do when he has to work with some combination of Bradshaw, X-Pac and Hall every week with no reason to be in there. Austin/Hall was settled at Wrestlemania, why are they still feuding?

And the Flair thing...I can appreciate the attempt to build a story and the idea that Flair looks like he's setting up Austin but probably isn't, while Austin has every reason to be wary. But Flair's being made to look like a moron. What's next, he "makes it up" to Austin by booking the nWo against Austin and new special partners Bossman, Mr. Perfect, Horace Hogan, Stevie Ray, Scott "Flash" Norton, Brian Adams, the Disco Inferno, Lex Luger, Buff Bagwell and nwo Sting? If they keep it up for a bit more, they can probably rewrite WWF history by having Flair apologize for starting up the World Bodybuilding Federation and the XFL.

I'm still not crazy about Dancin' Fat Guy Buh Buh, but he seems pretty popular, so it was a good move and he's making the most of it. And if I still don't know why Goldust and Booker are hanging out in the first place, the breakup is fun to watch and it looks like Booker is on his way to being a face again, which maybe means he can be smart again. Guerrero is still cool...they should slap together a Regal/Guerrero vs. RVD/Hogan match, just for the sheer weirdness of how the match and the RVD/Hogan promo would play out. "You wear tie-dye, too, brah!" "Yeah, that's...ah, cool..."
Spaceman Spiff

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#18 Posted on
In regards to Lou Thesz, I wasn't expecting a tribute show. The 10-bell salute would have been nice (although I wasn't holding my breath), but if not that a moment of silence w/his picture at the beginning of the broadcast would have been nice.

Oh, well, it is *Vince* were dealing with...

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#19 Posted on
please fix ASAP:

-- Why I hate cops-arrest-wrestler angles: If HHH was arrested for crashing RAW, shouldn't Undertaker have been arrested for crashing Smackdown?

-- Can't believe they're botching Booker's face turn

-- Bubba's dancing MUST STOP IMMEDIATELY

-- How many times are we going to get Hogan in a loooong staredown with someone? The staredown with Rock was a once-in-a-lifetime thing; quit trying to duplicate it week in and week out

-- Big Show is in INDIA?? Unless you're going to show me film clips, why say something so ludicrous?
The Goon

Since: 2.1.02
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#20 Posted on
I'm sure the fans in India could confirm that for you. He's on a promotional tour for the upcoming Asian cards.
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