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Since: 4.5.03
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#1 Posted on
The explanation is in the 'All Time Red Sox Team' Thread. Here it is for the hated Yankees:

C- Yogi Berra. Three MVPs put him ahead of Bill Dickey
1B- Lou Gehrig
2B- Willie Randolph. It's a coin flip between him and Tony Lazzeri. Lazzeri had more power, but Rnadolph appears to be the better fielder
SS- Derek Jeter. Rizzuto's career is a lot longer, but he didn't hit as well as Jeter has.
3B- Graig Nettles
LF- Mickey Mantle. Yeak, I know Mantle was a Center Fielder. But I figured some position shuffling was allowed
CF- Joe DiMaggio
RF- Babe Ruth

SP- Whitey Ford
SP- Ron Guidry
SP- Red Ruffing
SP- Lefty Gomez

RP- Goose Gossage

MGR- Casey Stengel. Hard to pick anyone over Torre, but Stengel has more World Series wins- and I don't think he had as much talent as Torre has had.

Side issue- for all of the Yankee's World Series, I think if you stacked everyone's 'All-Time' team and played them out, I don't think they'd finish first. The Athletics and Red Sox have (IMHO) better pitching as are almost as good in the hitting department.

Thoughts and comments welcomed.



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For pitchers, you have to add Pettite to the list and Rivera makes it as the closer. Drop Ruffing from the list.

Put Soriano "baseball's real MVP" in at second. In a few years you could add Posada at catcher.

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Andy Pettite?? No way does he make the list of the ALL-TIME greatest Yankees. And give Soriano a few years before he can be considered.



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#4 Posted on
Pettite? No chance...

Not a bad outfield, though! :)




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Since: 11.2.03
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#5 Posted on
In a couple of years you can add Posada...if he doubles his home run production and his average goes up 50 points. I mean, don't get me wrong, Posada's very good...but Yogi was a *legend*. Three-time MVP! Incredible post-season record!

OTOH, I have no problem at all putting Rivera ahead of Goose as the closer. Soriano is in his second year as an everyday player; he may well get there, but he isn't there yet.

Pettitte? No way. If you're going to drop Ruffing or Guidry, it's because you want to put Waite Hoyt in there.

At second, Joe Gordon had more power than Lazzeri and was a better fielder than Randolph. I think both hit for a higher average than he did, but I'd sill give the nod to Gordon.

It just seems wrong that Graig Nettles should be the best third baseman that the Yankees have ever had--but he is.

Finally, I notice you omitted the DH. Plenty of possibilities to choose from: Dickey, Elston Howard, Reggie, Dave Winfield.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.87
C-Yogi Berra (nod to Dickey and #15)
1B - Lou Gehrig (nod to Donnie Baseball)
2B - Alfonso Soriano (this guy will only get better - nod to Lazzeri, Randolph, Richardson, Gordon, and Billy Martin)
SS - Jeter (nod to Scooter, and my grandpappy always spoke well of Roger Peckinpaugh)
3B - Graig Nettles (nod to Boggs)
OF - Joe D, Mantle, and Ruth (no nod to Winfield, HOF or no HOF)
DH - Reggie

SP - Jack Chesbro
SP - Waite Hoyt
SP - Whitey Ford
SP - Ron Guidry
SP - Catfish Hunter
(nods to Ruth, Allie Reynolds, Ruffing, Gomez, and Clemens)

Closer - Mariano
RP - Lyle, Rags, Goose, and Ron Davis

Managers - Stengel, McCarthy, Huggins, Torre, take your pick.




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#7 Posted on
Whitey Ford is obviously the #1 starter, mostly because of World Series wins. Look at all of Pettitte's post-season wins. He has more wins than damn near every pitcher in baseball history. This is not about having only one great year, it is about constantly producing in the big games year after year.

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#8 Posted on

    Originally posted by skorpio17
    Look at all of Pettitte's post-season wins. He has more wins than damn near every pitcher in baseball history.




Post-season records are worthless since the introduction of the divisional series.




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#9 Posted on

    Originally posted by Bullitt

      Originally posted by skorpio17
      Look at all of Pettitte's post-season wins. He has more wins than damn near every pitcher in baseball history.




    Post-season records are worthless since the introduction of the divisional series.



I could not disagree more. I'm not just talking about record books. Regular season records are more worthless, if Barry Bonds can't hit in the post-season, who gives a shit about all his homeruns. (I know he finally hit in last year's playoffs, but try to see my point.)

Post-season performance is MORE IMPORTANT than regular season performance because playoff games are more important than regular season games (duh). With the expanded playoffs, a player with a great post-season batting average like Derek Jeter is even more valuable. With more games, the sample size is bigger and thus the stats are even more accurate.

Besides the only pitchers with more regular season wins in the last 8 years than Pettitte are Glavine and Maddox.
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#10 Posted on

    I could not disagree more. Post-season performance is MORE IMPORTANT than regular season performance because playoff games are more important than regular season games (duh).

Yeah, but you cant GET TO the playoffs without being the best in your division (or the best second place team) during the regular season. So, the regular season IS important.


    With the expanded playoffs, a player with a great post-season batting average like Derek Jeter is even more valuable. With more games, the sample size is bigger and thus the stats are even more accurate.

    Besides the only pitchers with more regular season wins in the last 8 years than Pettitte are Glavine and Maddox.



This I do agree with. Petitte is probably the most underrated pitcher in the game today.
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#11 Posted on
All I was saying was with extra rounds in the playoffs, of COURSE today's pitchers are going to have more post-season wins than those of yesteryear.




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#12 Posted on

    Originally posted by Bullitt
    All I was saying was with extra rounds in the playoffs, of COURSE today's pitchers are going to have more post-season wins than those of yesteryear.


More losses too...
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#13 Posted on

    Originally posted by darkdragoon

      Originally posted by Bullitt
      All I was saying was with extra rounds in the playoffs, of COURSE today's pitchers are going to have more post-season wins than those of yesteryear.


    More losses too...



Only if they're like the only pitcher losing on their team as their team goes through the three rounds of the post-season. If the team is bounced out in the first round...that may only be one or two losses for the pitcher..same as in years past.



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#14 Posted on
    Originally posted by skorpio17
    Whitey Ford is obviously the #1 starter, mostly because of World Series wins. Look at all of Pettitte's post-season wins. He has more wins than damn near every pitcher in baseball history. This is not about having only one great year, it is about constantly producing in the big games year after year.




Pettite's career numbers, regular season: 132-74 (.640 Win %), 3.95 ERA

Pettite's career numbers, postseason: 10-7 (.588 Win %), 4.49 ERA

Calling him a great "big-game pitcher" is going out on a huge limb. Just because he "ain't bad" in the playoffs doesn't mean he belongs to have his balls rubbed for alleged postseason greatness. I don't even want to get into HOW he has that many wins...let's just say he pitches in the playoffs every year...he damn well better have a good deal of wins.

And a .332 OB% is not going to win anyone any MVP awards.

And please don't tell me Posada is going to rank ahead of Yogi freakin' Berra in a couple years.

(edited by Joseph Ryder on 21.5.03 2238)
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#15 Posted on

Originally posted by Joseph Ryder:
"And please don't tell me Posada is going to rank ahead of Yogi freakin' Berra in a couple years."


He ain't.

YANKEE CATCHERS:
1. Berra
2. Dickey
3. Munson
4. Howard

Posada has a looooong way to catch up/.

(edited by Eddie Famous on 21.5.03 2321)


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#16 Posted on
I would have Munson higher, possibly inching out Yogi. But, thats just me.
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