I think John Olerud could unseat Alvin Davis at first. But other than that, this is a helluva lineup.
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Originally posted by Big BadI think John Olerud could unseat Alvin Davis at first. But other than that, this is a helluva lineup.
Yeah I agree with that, John Olerud has been such an underrated player that he should be on SOME team but he's bounced around so much that it's hard to pick which one he should be a part of. And i'm such a Buhner mark. I'd love to see a lineup with Ichiro, A-Rod, Griffey, Martinez, Olerud, Buhner all on the top of their game.
Can I put Edgar at third? That would give you this line-up:
1B: Davis (I love Olerud and Tino Martinez, but Davis *has* to go here) 2B: Boone (barely over Reynolds, NOT Joey Cora) 3B: Edgar (oww, my hamstring! Jim Presley is NOT an all-time Mariner) SS: A-Rod (oh how I would rather put Vizquel here) LF: Griffey (actually I'd rather put Vizquel HERE, too) CF: Cameron (better defensively than Junior, 4th best OF in club history, I think) RF: Ichiro (500 hits in 2 1/4 seasons isn't shabby) C: Wilson (wish he hit better, but Dave Valle's not going here) DH: Buhner (if you take out Cameron and put Bone in the OF, either I think Olerud goes to 1B and Davis goes here)
SP: Johnson, Moyer, Garcia, Langston, Mike Moore
Pretty much the current Mariners' bullpen would be as is, I think, although I think that Swifty came out of the 'pen the year before they traded him (ugh) for Mitchell. (UGH!)
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Originally posted by JayJayDean CF: Cameron (better defensively than Junior, 4th best OF in club history, I think)
Are you joking? Cameron better than Griff at CF? Ken has 10 golden gloves to Mike's 1. Griffey has been in the Majors 15 years to Cameron's 9, but Griffey is only 3 years older than Cameron. (And he's been injured for more than three years of ball). Back in his prime(which SHOULD be now if it weren't for lady luck) Griffey was unstoppable at the plate AND in the outfield.
And for pitchers, nobody mentioned Gaylord Perry. Don't know much about him since he was WAY before my time, but he won 300 games and had a career .311 ERA.
I just said Cameron was better *defensively* than Junior to justify putting Cameron in center and Griffey in left. I've always thought Griffey was slightly overrated defensively in that he made a big splash when he first came up then he kept winning "golden gloves" due to a) his rep for good defense and b) because he hit 40-50 bombs a year. Not that I expect to make any points with someone with the user name "kgriffey79".
And Gaylord Perry didn't pitch for the Mariners until he was 43 and went 13-22 in 1 1/2 seasons. He got his 300th win as a Mariner, sure, but that's not enough to be one of the all-time five best Mariner starters. Heck, Dave Fleming won 17 games one year, and no one's mentioned *him*. (With good reason I might add.)
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