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My friend constantly says that this was the best run ever on a comic book, and he let me borrow the 5 graphic novels entailling issue 21-56, the start of Moore's run to the more sci-fi style of Swamp Thing. I have finished the first 2 novels, and OH MY GOD was I amazed. Moore is a genius, which I already knew, but these are INCREDIBLE!! The dialouge, vocabulary, writing, story telling are great! It really lets you know how being an earth elemental and controlling all that power could suck, and the Swamp Thing's constant reminder of not being human are touching... these comics are INCREDIBLE, and if you like comics at all or want to get into them, get Moore's run on Swamp Thing. Anyone else agree that these rock?



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.74
Wasn't the first appearance of John Constantine during his run, I can't remember, but yes, Alan Moore did do smoe of his best work on Swamp Thing. Also check out a little maxi series he did called V for Vendetta; personally, I thought it was better then Watchmen, but I've been told I was 'crazy talking' when I told friends this.

I also rather enjoyed the newer series from a few years ago, but that's, AGAIN, just 'crazy talk' on my part.





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Yes, Constantine did appear for the first time during this run. He was in the background of a scene, and when they needed a new permanent character, the artists liked drawing him because he looked like Sting.



You don't get it boy, this isn't a mudhole... it's an operating table. And I'm the surgeon.
Something tells me to stop with the leg. I don't listen to it.
But where in the world is there in the world
A man so extroardinaire?

C'est moi, c'est moi, I'm forced to admit!
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My favorite thing about Moore's run (and on Moore's work with pre-established characters in general) is how he can take lame characters like the Floronic Man and Mento during his Swamp Thing run, and especially Clayface 3 from Batman, and make them incredible.

The ST issue where the characters from Walt Kelly's Pogo show up as aliens looking for a new home is my favorite stand alone comic story ever I think... it's also the most depressing.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.41

I wrote a paper when I was an undergrad about Moore's American Gothic storyline (37-50) and how Moore was tweaking all the classic Horror archetypes. The best of those has to be the menstrual lycanthropes (#40).

FYI, Constantine, who Moore based on Sting if you couldn't tell, first appeared in issue #37.

There are so many great moments in all of Moore's Swamp Thing run it's to name some without forgetting another great one.

Some of my favorite moments:

The Nitzschean JLA
The Joker stops laughing (both from the woodrue story)
The Tuber issue
The underwater vampires
The Pogo Issue
The arm wrestling match
The deaths of Zatara and Sargon
Alec's search for Abby in Hell
Alec goes wiggy in Gotham
The Blue Planet





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My favorite line ever in the series:

"This is my place of power...and you shouldn't have come here."

Raw, great stuff.

Oh...and the Joker stopped smiling from Arcane's return, not Woodrue.

Outside of Preacher, comic villains don't get any worse than Arcane.

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Watch out, dissenting opinion coming:

I've heard so often about how great the Moore Swamp Thing run was, so I borrowed them off of my fiance and went through them. Man, I couldn't have been more disappointed.

The colors are horrid. The art is really, really bad. The story may have been wonderful, but I couldn't get that far.

I understand it gets better if you make it through the first few, but they were so bad... why would anyone bother?

I do realize this is considered blasphemy. It's just so not my thing that I can't get past it.



Your analogy is similar to:

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"I can already write with my hands, why not my pancreas?"
"They already have beef that I can eat, why not granite?"

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That was the thing about the two publishers back then. DC had all the great writers, and Marvel had all the great artists. It's a personal taste thing though, cause I rather like the chicken scratch pencil work from back then compared to the 'We can't draw feet or heads so let's make the BREASTS bigger' look of today.

...not that bigger breasts are a BAD thing mind you, just be more realistic, you know.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.41

    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Watch out, dissenting opinion coming:

    I've heard so often about how great the Moore Swamp Thing run was, so I borrowed them off of my fiance and went through them. Man, I couldn't have been more disappointed.

    The colors are horrid. The art is really, really bad. The story may have been wonderful, but I couldn't get that far.

    I understand it gets better if you make it through the first few, but they were so bad... why would anyone bother?

    I do realize this is considered blasphemy. It's just so not my thing that I can't get past it.



There's an argument to be made that, given the horror tone of the book, using creepy artists (meaning their style, not the people) like Bissette and Totelben helped the overall tone of the book.

Of course, I'm a writer guy, not an artist guy, so I can suffer a lot of bad art if there's a good story, but not the other way around.



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"What about "Flowers for Algernon"?"
"Well, that's not about flowers. And it's not a movie."
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