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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.84
WWE supposedly had the chance to get Angle back on a Legends contract a couple of years back, and wouldn't go near him with a ten-foot bargepole. They seem him as a PR nightmare waiting to happen.
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.38
    Originally posted by lotjx
      Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
        Originally posted by lotjx

        The TNA shortened schedule is a lie. AJ even said its not true even when they were in the Impact Zone. AJ in the WWE is a good idea for one last big pay day or a small retirement fund and that is what he should view it as.


      How is turning down $350k a year for roughly the equivalent of minimum wage (?) working in NXT for two years before being let go a good idea for one last big pay day?

      (edited by Tribal Prophet on 9.12.13 1613)


    I would expect a NXT recruit gets roughly the same and more than likely do not have to pay for expenses that TNA does not pick up, so he will end up making a nice paycheck especially if he gets on the Mania PPV. I am not saying its minimum wage, but its not exactly earth shaking money for their top star. I would expect Hogan was making a million for just standing there and Kurt probably close to it.

    (edited by lotjx on 9.12.13 1816)

You honestly think the NXT recruits are on $350k per year?? A third of a million dollars on guys who are under contract because they *might* have the potential to one day be on TV??

Styles has no name value outside of TNA. He would be lucky to get a $350k downside even if (and that's a BIG if) he was put straight on TV. More than likely he would have to go to developmental to unlearn all his bad habits, in the same way Punk and Bryan did.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.44
Bryan only went to developmental because he requested it, and that was only for a short stint so he could get used to working in a WWE ring.

I'd be extremely surprised to see AJ show up in WWE because of caveats on both sides. WWE feels he's too old (36.5) and that they already have a bunch of talented guys doing nothing to bring in a guy they'll have to spend a bunch of time rebranding (although I think there's always room for a TV-ready guy who can make others look really good), and AJ can almost definitely make more on the indies/Japan & probably has no inclination to subject himself to the WWE grind.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.14
    Originally posted by SchippeWreck

    Colt Cabana said on his latest podcast (with Brian Cage) he heard NXT guys get "about $600 a week." That's about $30k a year.


I know it was a while ago, but Edge said he wasn't making much more than that his first year or so on the main roster either.

I know he was a midcard (at best) tag team guy then, but it's not like AJ Styles would be brought in as a savior of the company. I'd say he'd be treated closer to being Evan Bourne's replacement.
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    WWE supposedly had the chance to get Angle back on a Legends contract a couple of years back, and wouldn't go near him with a ten-foot bargepole. They seem him as a PR nightmare waiting to happen.


Yeah, I'm not saying they necessarily will offer him a contract or that he'd be in any condition to get one. What I'm saying is that, if he was in condition and they DID bring him back, it would be a really big deal and would make a big splash.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.35

    Meltzer has been reporting a pay freeze, not a cut, and revealed on his message board that AJ's current contract is around $350,000.


And now he's saying it's a major pay cut, one where Styles would be mostly on a per night contract, "which would have, at best, worked out to very significantly less money" (Styles had been working under a three month extension of his current contract, but that's not what would go on in the new deal.)

Styles has been telling promoters he can appear on DVDs and PPVs, which would not be the case if he was still on TNA contract. Meltzer seems in disbelief that TNA would spend the last so many months building Styles up for this sort of payoff, but every other sign points to Styles really being gone (at this point.)

The newsletter also says talks of a sale have cooled down a lot.

(edited by thecubsfan on 11.12.13 1738)


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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.05
If this is the end of the "Phenomenal One", then I have to commend him and TNA for having him go out with his most intriguing angle in years.

I still suspect though that this is both parties doing a Pillman-work. Of course, I thought that with Morgan's most recent contract "expiring" too. TNA has set the gold standard for recklessness in terms of keeping talent under contract during major plotlines (Ie Main Event Mafia 2011) so anything is possible.
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.84
    Originally posted by Dionysus
    If this is the end of the "Phenomenal One", then I have to commend him and TNA for having him go out with his most intriguing angle in years.

    I still suspect though that this is both parties doing a Pillman-work. Of course, I thought that with Morgan's most recent contract "expiring" too. TNA has set the gold standard for recklessness in terms of keeping talent under contract during major plotlines (Ie Main Event Mafia 2011) so anything is possible.


If it's a Pillman work it's maybe the dumbest work ever. Having read the spoilers and seen the payoff, it does nothing for anybody involved. AJ isn't CM Punk and TNA isn't WWE - no-one cares about these kinds of angles running in a tiny promotion aside from the hardcore fans.
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.31
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
      Originally posted by Dionysus
      If this is the end of the "Phenomenal One", then I have to commend him and TNA for having him go out with his most intriguing angle in years.

      I still suspect though that this is both parties doing a Pillman-work. Of course, I thought that with Morgan's most recent contract "expiring" too. TNA has set the gold standard for recklessness in terms of keeping talent under contract during major plotlines (Ie Main Event Mafia 2011) so anything is possible.


    If it's a Pillman work it's maybe the dumbest work ever. Having read the spoilers and seen the payoff, it does nothing for anybody involved. AJ isn't CM Punk and TNA isn't WWE - no-one cares about these kinds of angles running in a tiny promotion aside from the hardcore fans.


You hate TNA, we get it move on. Honestly, I think TNA has done a better job with re-doing this out the door champion storyline than WWE did. AJ is competing in other companies and creating a bit of a buzz. All Punk did was invade Comic Con and go to some Cub games. TNA has to do something and having AJ as the rogue champ even though its a retread is at least doing it well.



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.32
    Originally posted by lotjx
      Originally posted by Amos Cochran
        Originally posted by Dionysus
        If this is the end of the "Phenomenal One", then I have to commend him and TNA for having him go out with his most intriguing angle in years.

        I still suspect though that this is both parties doing a Pillman-work. Of course, I thought that with Morgan's most recent contract "expiring" too. TNA has set the gold standard for recklessness in terms of keeping talent under contract during major plotlines (Ie Main Event Mafia 2011) so anything is possible.


      If it's a Pillman work it's maybe the dumbest work ever. Having read the spoilers and seen the payoff, it does nothing for anybody involved. AJ isn't CM Punk and TNA isn't WWE - no-one cares about these kinds of angles running in a tiny promotion aside from the hardcore fans.


    You hate TNA, we get it move on. Honestly, I think TNA has done a better job with re-doing this out the door champion storyline than WWE did. AJ is competing in other companies and creating a bit of a buzz. All Punk did was invade Comic Con and go to some Cub games. TNA has to do something and having AJ as the rogue champ even though its a retread is at least doing it well.

I have to agree. Not saying the AJ story was epic, but it was better than the Punk story overall. That story was awesome for the initial Pipe bomb, and the MITB match, but everything after that was fumbled horribly. SummerSlam was good, but the buildup was so rushed, and the mess with Nash and HHH after that was crap, especially Punk jobbing to HHH.
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.97
    Originally posted by lotjx
    I think TNA has done a better job with re-doing this out the door champion storyline than WWE did.


Unfortunately they missed the most important part, which was actually having the out the door champion under longterm contract.
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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.89
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Honestly, I think TNA has done a better job with re-doing this out the door champion storyline than WWE did.


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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.05
TNA acknowledging that there is world class competition around the globe makes the TNA "universe" feel much more complete and fleshed out than WWE's. When watching TNA one doesn't have to think about how implausible it is for there to be only about a dozen or so good wrestlers in the world. I like not having to suspend disbelief that much. Also, the plotline of AJ defending against top global talent, while at the same time TNA's top wrestlers fight through a multi-month tournament to crown a new champion, has been doing a great job at making it seem plausible for both of their world titles to be prestigious.

As far as TNA's size goes, TNA's last episode of Impact was watched by 1.2 million people in the US. WWE's last RAW was watched by 4.2 million. There's a difference in the size of their fanbases, sure, but the difference isn't by an order of magnitude.

(edited by Dionysus on 12.12.13 1222)

(edited by Dionysus on 12.12.13 1223)
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.31
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by lotjx
      I think TNA has done a better job with re-doing this out the door champion storyline than WWE did.


    Unfortunately they missed the most important part, which was actually having the out the door champion under longterm contract.


Eh...they have time to reverse course with the belt. They are even doing a tournament going on for a new belt where hopefully one guy doesn't challenge the winner and wins the belt in the same show. I don't care about the WWE, there is a difference.

(edited by lotjx on 12.12.13 1507)


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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.84
"They are even doing a tournament going on for a new belt where hopefully one guy doesn't challenge the winner and wins the belt in the same show."

Oh man I really wish we could talk about spoilers in this thread. Who the Hell has been "buzzing" about AJ's appearances with long-established TNA associates? They've not done anything here "outside the box" - TNA's guys have wrestled for other promotions like AAA throughout their history. And AJ's barely been off Impact! The Friends of AJ videos, him sending little notes to Dixie, the godawful "Stooges visiting Texas" ripoffs that aired last night...

And then there's the biggest, most key fact of all this: AJ Styles isn't CM Punk. Punk has long been established as a)one of the best talkers in the business, and b)a guy who would absolutely walk out on a company. AJ is neither of those things. The angle doesn't sell because AJ's got little charisma and he's working opposite a newly-turned terrible non-wrestling heel figurehead. You can talk about them "sticking the landing" all you want (even though SPOILERRR they haven't and they don't) but when the set-up is a rehash of the hottest angle of the last five years done with way worse performers it doesn't matter. Look at it this way: four months after CM Punk cut his "pipebomb" promo he embarked upon the longest WWE title reign of the modern era and cemented himself as their biggest fulltime star behind John Cena. Is there any endgame that TNA and/or AJ can produce that would match that kind of end product?

"As far as TNA's size goes, TNA's last episode of Impact was watched by 1.2 million people in the US. WWE's last RAW was watched by 4.2 million. There's a difference in the size of their fanbases, sure, but the difference isn't by an order of magnitude."

Three times the size in the US alone, closer to ten if you look at the people actually willing to pay money for their PPV product. That's an order of magnitude.
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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.02
The problem with it is that WWE has two things that TNA doesn't have; casual fans who will take notice and someone that can transcend outside of wrestling circles to bring them in.

You don't have to be a wrestling fan to like CM Punk but who would even know about AJ Styles, outside of the TNA faithful?
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.14
    Originally posted by lotjx

    Eh...they have time to reverse course with the belt.


I don't want to presume on J-Sharp's behalf, but he might be talking about the wrestler they spent the entire angle building up only to have him walk away from the company, leaving them with nothing for their efforts, and not the title that no one really cares about.
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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.04
http://www.f4wonline.com/more/more-top-stories/100-tna/34476-aj-styles-talks-his-future-now-that-hes-a-free-agent

If this is an angle they're sure trying their damndest to sell it.



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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.05
    Originally posted by wannaberockstar


    You don't have to be a wrestling fan to like CM Punk but who would even know about AJ Styles, outside of the TNA faithful?


It is not as if CM Punk is a crossover star. I doubt that the ratio of people who know about Punk versus know about Styles is much different from the ratio of the two promotions' ratings.
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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.74

FWIW I was at an indy wrestling card on Sunday, Smash Wrestling, http://smash-wrestling.com/ and they announced AJ Styles for their next card. The 150 or so people there reacted to that as a big deal; moreso than I would've thought.





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