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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.84
PWInsider is running with the scoop that as of December 16th, AJ Styles will be done with TNA. Meltzer has added a little validity to this, although stopping short of confirming it outright, by saying that Styles is now looking for bookings through January 2014 and beyond. Apparently the two sides couldn't agree on money and that's that.

Not to go too into the tapings that they've done over the past week, but TNA have got enough in the can to write AJ out permanently, as well as another of their top guys who actually announced to the live crowd that he was done with the company. Things do not look good.
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Extreme optimism from me wants AJ Styles to be in the Rumble. However unlikely, complicated, or wishful that is, I would love to see what he could do on the big stage.

More likely, if anything AJ/WWE related came of this, the earliest we'd see him is as the big post-wrestlemania guy, which in itself is a 50-50 shot at success/failure. Ranging from Brock Lesnar to Tensai, it'd at least give him a shot to match up with Bryan, Ziggler, and any number of excellent guys whom he'd steal the show with. Bryan, Styles, and Ziggler Vs The Shield? My wallets getting lighter for sure.



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From a business standpoint TNA are probably doing the right thing here. Styles doesn't shift ratings or buyrates (TNA's own fault, I know) and with TNA's new identity as a TV-only product Styles strengths are a lot lower on the priority list to the company than any time in the past. He probably chose the worst time imaginable to try and play hard ball. He's never been more expendable to them than he is now.



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From the sound of it it's not a question of him playing hardball, it's a question of him not wanting to take a substantial pay cut. I think there's a big difference there - given the squandering of money the company has done over the last four years, I too would balk at being asked to take a cut in his position. The biggest problem for TNA is that they're struggling under the perception of being a promotion on the brink of collapse, and losing their self-admitted franchise player, as well as the other guy seemingly departing, increases that perception massively.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.38
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    From the sound of it it's not a question of him playing hardball, it's a question of him not wanting to take a substantial pay cut. I think there's a big difference there - given the squandering of money the company has done over the last four years, I too would balk at being asked to take a cut in his position. The biggest problem for TNA is that they're struggling under the perception of being a promotion on the brink of collapse, and losing their self-admitted franchise player, as well as the other guy seemingly departing, increases that perception massively.

Yeah but at this point refusing to take a pay cut when you're that dispoable is pretty much playing hard ball. He's not a Kurt Angle or Jeff Hardy. He's a guy who's been with the company for over 10 years and is (arguably) less over and less vital than at any other point of his run.

I think the only perception TNA should be worried about now is from Spike. Unless this affects the ratings (which it won't) this won't have any impact on TNA.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.35

    Meltzer has added a little validity to this, although stopping short of confirming it outright, by saying that Styles is now looking for bookings through January 2014 and beyond.


On his subscription stuff, Meltzer mentions a report he got from the tapings where the Styles stuff "came off as an angle from start to finish", including the farewell speech he did. But he was previously saying Styles hadn't signed and we'd be able to tell what was up with him by how he was used in the title unification match so dunno.

(The entire angle was a waste of time - for the other promotions too.)

    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    From the sound of it it's not a question of him playing hardball, it's a question of him not wanting to take a substantial pay cut.


Meltzer has been reporting a pay freeze, not a cut, and revealed on his message board that AJ's current contract is around $350,000.


    More likely, if anything AJ/WWE related came of this, the earliest we'd see him is as the big post-wrestlemania guy, which in itself is a 50-50 shot at success/failure.


how do I let you down gently? AJ's in line for the Davey Richards treatment should he come to WWE, where WWE is more interested in cutting him down to size before figuring out if they want to do anything with him. He'll have a tough Daniel Bryan like road to make it to WWE proper (yes, they'll make him go to NXT) and to the top of WWE - he doesn't get to be Real World's Champion Ric Flair in today's WWE. WWE's going to make an ego decision (their own ego.)


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Jeff Hardy, who lost his smile on the last set of tapings. Jeff still might be under travel restrictions due to his arrests and this is probably just an excuse for him not to be on the UK TV tapings. It's possible the timing of AJ being written is the same thing - he's just not on the tour but might pop back up when they return.


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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.38
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    Meltzer has been reporting a pay freeze, not a cut, and revealed on his message board that AJ's current contract is around $350,000.


Jesus, if that's true he should be snapping their hands off to accept. Considering they'll be running a vastly reduced schedule next year with virtually no travelling I'd say $350k is more than reasonable for his position on the roster and considering the state of the company.



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    Originally posted by CTX
      Originally posted by thecubsfan
      Meltzer has been reporting a pay freeze, not a cut, and revealed on his message board that AJ's current contract is around $350,000.


    Jesus, if that's true he should be snapping their hands off to accept. Considering they'll be running a vastly reduced schedule next year with virtually no travelling I'd say $350k is more than reasonable for his position on the roster and considering the state of the company.


Yes, $350K is a lot of money, no question. He has also earned that for being a total worker for this company pretty much close to day one. Now, the question is how much of the 350K is going to hotels, travel, food and ect...

The TNA shortened schedule is a lie. AJ even said its not true even when they were in the Impact Zone. AJ in the WWE is a good idea for one last big pay day or a small retirement fund and that is what he should view it as. Yes, fans will cheer for him, but the WWE will go out of their way to abuse him. Why? Because this is monopoly companies do especially run by sadistic idiots.

It will be nice to see him as the plucky underdog, but no way will they do that. Shit, I don't think they would make a big deal if Kurt comes back. They will for Jeff due to the merchandise, he will sell and he also knows that as well, so they will make a semi-big deal about that.

(edited by lotjx on 9.12.13 1042)


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Is the AJ Styles name under exclusive TNA copyright? (He's gone by it in both TNA and ROH, but they had a working agreement, and he went by Air Styles in WCW). I ask 'cuz of WWE's tendency to McGillicutty and Marcus Cor Von everyone who already has a perfectly decent name.

AJ would be booked strangely enough in WWE without being given a ridiculous moniker as a further barrier to getting over.

On the other hand, Dolph Ziggler did it despite the silliness of his name. And of course there may be enforcement of the "One Steve Limit" trope in any event.

A potential negative side-effect of the Unified Title is the fact that WWE will no longer be able to use the World Heavyweight Title as a "trial run" to see if someone's worthy of winning the WWE Championship. CM Punk and Daniel Bran clearly benefited from that; Jack Swagger and The Great Khali were exposed as unworthy. If AJ, Samoa Joe or Christopher Daniels got over in WWE, a World Title "trial run"might have been useful.

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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.35
    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    Is the AJ Styles name under exclusive TNA copyright? (He's gone by it in both TNA and ROH, but they had a working agreement, and he went by Air Styles in WCW).


Don't know if this link will work, but US Trademark Office says TNA owns the same.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.70
    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    Is the AJ Styles name under exclusive TNA copyright? (He's gone by it in both TNA and ROH, but they had a working agreement, and he went by Air Styles in WCW).


He actually was AJ Styles in WCW -- Air Paris was his tag team partner.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.72
    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    A potential negative side-effect of the Unified Title is the fact that WWE will no longer be able to use the World Heavyweight Title as a "trial run" to see if someone's worthy of winning the WWE Championship. CM Punk and Daniel Bran clearly benefited from that; Jack Swagger and The Great Khali were exposed as unworthy. If AJ, Samoa Joe or Christopher Daniels got over in WWE, a World Title "trial run"might have been useful.


WWE can just go back to using the Intercontinental Title in this role, as it was for most of its history.



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As much as I'd like to see him in WWE, a lot would be working against him. At least size is a bit more negotiable than it once was, but he's now in his mid-30s and they're wanting to hire people with more shelf life. On top of that, he's still not the best talker in the world.



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He was A.J. Styles in WWE, too. (youtube.com)

In the short term, I'm at least excited that I have tickets to a PWG show 4 days after A.J.'s last day in TNA. He'd make for a nice surprise appearance (that everyone would know about ahead of time).



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.74
    Originally posted by lotjx
    The TNA shortened schedule is a lie. AJ even said its not true even when they were in the Impact Zone. AJ in the WWE is a good idea for one last big pay day or a small retirement fund and that is what he should view it as. Yes, fans will cheer for him, but the WWE will go out of their way to abuse him. Why? Because this is monopoly companies do especially run by sadistic idiots. (edited by lotjx on 9.12.13 1042)


We all know Vince likes a headliner who turns heads at the airport. AJ Styles, his incredible body of work aside, is someone who doesn't turn heads at the airport after being on television for a decade.

I hate to defend WWE under almost any circumstances these days, but what is sadistic about not presenting AJ Styles as a big deal? He isn't a big deal. And neither were Punk or Bryan when they first showed up. I'm sure to ROH or TNA crowds they were, but that isn't the majority of WWE's audience. There was way, way more overlap between WWF and WCW's audience than TNA and WWE's, and TNA has never been competition for WWE the way WCW was. People need to stop pretending otherwise.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.14
    Originally posted by lotjx

    The TNA shortened schedule is a lie. AJ even said its not true even when they were in the Impact Zone. AJ in the WWE is a good idea for one last big pay day or a small retirement fund and that is what he should view it as.


How is turning down $350k a year for roughly the equivalent of minimum wage (?) working in NXT for two years before being let go a good idea for one last big pay day?

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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.31
    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
      Originally posted by lotjx

      The TNA shortened schedule is a lie. AJ even said its not true even when they were in the Impact Zone. AJ in the WWE is a good idea for one last big pay day or a small retirement fund and that is what he should view it as.


    How is turning down $350k a year for roughly the equivalent of minimum wage (?) working in NXT for two years before being let go a good idea for one last big pay day?

    (edited by Tribal Prophet on 9.12.13 1613)


I would expect a NXT recruit gets roughly the same and more than likely do not have to pay for expenses that TNA does not pick up, so he will end up making a nice paycheck especially if he gets on the Mania PPV. I am not saying its minimum wage, but its not exactly earth shaking money for their top star. I would expect Hogan was making a million for just standing there and Kurt probably close to it.

(edited by lotjx on 9.12.13 1816)


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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.86
    Originally posted by lotjx
      Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
        Originally posted by lotjx

        The TNA shortened schedule is a lie. AJ even said its not true even when they were in the Impact Zone. AJ in the WWE is a good idea for one last big pay day or a small retirement fund and that is what he should view it as.


      How is turning down $350k a year for roughly the equivalent of minimum wage (?) working in NXT for two years before being let go a good idea for one last big pay day?

      (edited by Tribal Prophet on 9.12.13 1613)


    I would expect a NXT recruit gets roughly the same and more than likely do not have to pay for expenses that TNA does not pick up, so he will end up making a nice paycheck especially if he gets on the Mania PPV. I am not saying its minimum wage, but its not exactly earth shaking money for their top star. I would expect Hogan was making a million for just standing there and Kurt probably close to it.

    (edited by lotjx on 9.12.13 1816)

Colt Cabana said on his latest podcast (with Brian Cage) he heard NXT guys get "about $600 a week." That's about $30k a year.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
    Originally posted by lotjx
      Shit, I don't think they would make a big deal if Kurt comes back. They will for Jeff due to the merchandise, he will sell and he also knows that as well, so they will make a semi-big deal about that.

      (edited by lotjx on 9.12.13 1042)


    I...can't agree with that in any way. I do think Jeff would be a -bigger- deal in some ways, if only because I think the younger audience of today remembers him better and because he probably has a longer future ahead of him.

    But Kurt Angle is Kurt fucking Angle. Is he a shell of what he was? Sure. But "what he was" is perhaps the most gifted in-ring competitor of all time, barring perhaps Shawn Michaels, Daniel Bryan or *REDACTED*. You don't think they could sell some PPVs on Cena/Angle, Punk/Angle, Bryan/Angle, fucking Lesnar/Angle?!? They'd probably happily give him a Lesnar/RVD style limited engagement contract. The only questions, really, are on Kurt's side in regard to his health, both physically and addiction-wise. But if he could pass a physical and reach the point of actually getting a WWE contract, it would be a big deal.



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