Originally posted by Mr. BoffoIt's funny that people think that teams that made the playoffs are chokers. I'd say that the teams that didn't even make the playoffs are chokers.
I think you misunderstand the meaning of the word "choke."
Well personally I think "choke" and "clutch" are synonomous with "random behavior due to small sample size", so maybe you're right.
I still think you're punishing mediocre teams for finding a way to make it to the playoffs. Since Dungy became the coach, they've made the playoffs 7 straight times. They won the Super Bowl once, lost on the road 4 times (which means they were playing a higher seeded team), and lost at home twice. Higher seeded teams are supposed to win (that's why they're the higher seed), so the only games you can even remotely call chokes are the loss to Pittsburgh (the year Pittsburgh won the Super Bowl) and the 2007 loss to San Diego.
Originally posted by Mr. BoffoIt's funny that people think that teams that made the playoffs are chokers. I'd say that the teams that didn't even make the playoffs are chokers. And of course only one team each year can finish the playoffs without a loss.
Getting to the playoffs is a victory. Ask the Patriots if they'd rather lose in the first round or not be in the playoffs at all.
Not making the playoffs is more accurately described as failing, whereas making the playoffs and being ousted immediately when the expectations are high, is absolutley described as choking.
If a team has a lower level of tallent because of poor personnel decisions, injuries, coaching shake-ups, whatever, but gets by and is competitive by playing with lot of guts and heart, but doesn't make the playoffs, I don't think it's fair to refer to that team as chokers.
On the other hand, a team that is loaded with tallent and therefore has very high expectionations to not only make the playoffs but make a serious run at the championship, only to fizzle, then the choking tag is automatic. In fact, if you look up the choking in sports on Wikipedia, it specifically uses the Colts as an example.
I'm not a Manning fan, but I do think it is funny that he is the one getting the choker lable, when the history of playoff failure runs much deeper for Dungy, and it was the defense who couldn't get off the field in OT.
I don't know about the rest of you but this is the biggest piece of news I got out of Guru's link: I always though that was about the dumbest sack dance I had ever seen, but now at least I know how it relates to his "lights out" moniker.