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#41 Posted on

    Originally posted by The Red Sox Fan
    My new thought regarding this potential ACC thing is that the Big Ten, despite all of it's bluster to the contrary, should finally get serious with Notre Dame and ND should finally get serious with them.

Do you mean the Big East? Notre Dame is in the Big East for basketball and is independent for football.

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#42 Posted on

    Originally posted by shockdown
    As a Terps fan, all this promises to be interesting, but I have one questions. Why wouldn't the ACC recruit West Virginia & VA Tech instead of Boston College & Syracuse? The two VA schools have been good in Football, and Miami-VA Tech has been a big game over the past few seasons. Given travel considerations, wouldn't it make more sense to bring in those two schools. Or are they not interested?




Well Boston College is more appealing because the City of Boston is a good sized tv market. Syracuse isnt so good but at least the ACC has a presence in New York, which gets them close to NYC and that market. Virginia wanted Virginia Tech in over Syracuse but Im guessing they were overruled. I actually believe that Miami wants to get away from Tech because of the some of the beatings that Tech gave them a few years ago. And Tech still isnt considered an "elite" school despite all their success.


And I dont really think that Notre Dame will ever join a conference for football. Especially if Ty Willingham and get them back to an elite level. Why would they want to share all that NBC and potential BCS money? Maybe they would join the Big 10 or Big East (if it survives) if they could keep the NBC deal for themeslves. One thing I know that some want to change at Notre Dame is that killer national schedule they play every year, so maybe that will be the kick start for them into a conference.
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#43 Posted on

    Originally posted by StingArmy

      Originally posted by The Red Sox Fan
      My new thought regarding this potential ACC thing is that the Big Ten, despite all of it's bluster to the contrary, should finally get serious with Notre Dame and ND should finally get serious with them.

    Do you mean the Big East? Notre Dame is in the Big East for basketball and is independent for football.

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No, I meant the Big Ten. Let's face it, for Notre Dame to join a conference, any conference, it's going to cost some major bucks. But with the ACC looking like it's going to be a superconference, and with the Big East looking like it's going to Conference USA-level, the Big Ten should make the move to twelve schools, add Notre Dame and get the conference championship game that the other big conferences have. It just makes sense. Notre Dame could keep it's contract with NBC for home games until 2005 when it expires, and then the Big Ten could open negotiations on a mega-bucks TV contract. Their conference championship game would attract record numbers of midwest viewers, I have no doubt. Just my own damned opinion though. I could be full of it. Who really knows?



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#44 Posted on
Can we just leave the Pac-10 alone please? That's all I ask. No BYU. No Utah. The only two schools I'd like to see in the Pac-10 would be Colorado and Colorado State, but I'd guess there is no way they are leaving the Big 12. (Colorado, that is.) No gay Pac-12 North and South divisions. No conference title game.

On the one hand, I can see why the ACC would want to have the expansion and the conference title game. But if they do away with the BCS after 2006 and start moving toward a playoff anyway, is it really worth messing up their league for all those other sports to have had the conference title game? If I'm the AD at Clemson do I want to have to send all of my teams (like baseball and women's soccer and tennis and all those other 2nd-tier college sports) to BC and Miami every year instead just sticking to traveling around the Carolinas and to Atlanta?

(edited by JayJayDean on 28.5.03 0559)

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(edited by JayJayDean on 28.5.03 0601)

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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05

    Originally posted by JayJayDean
    But if they do away with the BCS after 2006 and start moving toward a playoff anyway, is it really worth messing up their league for all those other sports to have had the conference title game?


they sued the NCAA to get control of the football postseason, and the ADs don't want a playoff system as:

1) they would lose all their BCS/Bowl monies

2) they would have to admit defeat

3) they are committed to the bowl "tradition" and even if the BCS system didn't get renewed, we'd go back to the polls to look for co-champions...the reason the BCS was developed in the first place...


sadly, the I-A will never have the playoff system that the other divisions enjoy



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#46 Posted on

    Originally posted by rikidozan

      Originally posted by JayJayDean
      But if they do away with the BCS after 2006 and start moving toward a playoff anyway, is it really worth messing up their league for all those other sports to have had the conference title game?


    they sued the NCAA to get control of the football postseason,



Who sued? The BCS? Did I miss that?



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#47 Posted on
My question: if the Big Ten opens up to 12 schools, what are they calling their conference?

(Yes, I know they have 11 schools already.)







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#48 Posted on
The latest news is that US Senators from the states of the other Big East schools sent letters to Miami, Syracuse, an BC asking them to stay in the Big East.

Here is the story from ESPN.com



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#49 Posted on
Of course, because what athletic conference these schools choose to participate in is so vitale to the states' and our national interest.

From the article:
"...The senators from West Virginia, Virginia, Connecticut, New Jersey and Pennsylvania said the defection would devastate the Big East, erode the progress its schools have made in women's sports and "send a troubling message to student-athletes across America." "

Am I the only who doesn't understand how Miami, Boston College, and Syracuse jumping to the ACC erodes progress made in women's sports? Could somebody fill me in?
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#50 Posted on

    Originally posted by ges7184
    Am I the only who doesn't understand how Miami, Boston College, and Syracuse jumping to the ACC erodes progress made in women's sports? Could somebody fill me in?


I don't really get it either unless they're trying to say that the Big East has some sort of extraordinary commitment to women's sports that other conferences (i.e., the ACC) don't have. This may be true, actually. Other than women's volleyball and women's basketball - really just Duke women's basketball - nobody around the ACC really gives a rats ass about women's sports.

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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05

    Originally posted by StingArmy

      Originally posted by ges7184
      Am I the only who doesn't understand how Miami, Boston College, and Syracuse jumping to the ACC erodes progress made in women's sports? Could somebody fill me in?


    I don't really get it either unless they're trying to say that the Big East has some sort of extraordinary commitment to women's sports that other conferences (i.e., the ACC) don't have. This may be true, actually. Other than women's volleyball and women's basketball - really just Duke women's basketball - nobody around the ACC really gives a rats ass about women's sports.

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#52 Posted on

    Originally posted by ges7184
    Am I the only who doesn't understand how Miami, Boston College, and Syracuse jumping to the ACC erodes progress made in women's sports? Could somebody fill me in?



Haven't you read the fine print on Title IX? Anything that's good for football (or any men's sports) is automatically BAD for women's sports and must be STOPPED. Or at least, that's what I hear from the Martha Burkes of the world.


    Originally posted by StingArmy
    ...nobody around the ACC really gives a rats ass about women's sports.




I wouldn't underestimate the importance to women's sports in all of this, though. We've mainly been talking about the ramifications to football and basketball, the "big money sports", but consider what happens to the barely-funded Clemson women's lacrosse team (for example) when all of a sudden they've now got to travel to Syracuse twice a year.

The college presidents DO need to consider the ramifications of moving to ALL of their sports, not just the ones that make them money.



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#53 Posted on

    Originally posted by Battlezone
    I wouldn't underestimate the importance to women's sports in all of this, though. We've mainly been talking about the ramifications to football and basketball, the "big money sports", but consider what happens to the barely-funded Clemson women's lacrosse team (for example) when all of a sudden they've now got to travel to Syracuse twice a year.

    The college presidents DO need to consider the ramifications of moving to ALL of their sports, not just the ones that make them money.


Well obviously this will be very important to the women athletes that COMPETE in those sports (as well as their families and friends, etc etc). What I meant is that there really isn't much of a fan following for women's sports around the ACC with the exception of a few. Because of Title IX, schools in the ACC will be FORCED to pay for the soon-to-be massive travel fees for all these second- and third-tier sports, men and women alike. However, the millions of dollars that will be generated from the three new schools in football and basketball should be more than enough to make it worth it. Sure there will be greater costs in some areas, but there will also be MUCH greater income in other areas. Unless I'm missing another issue here, it's all a matter of simple economics.

By the way, I forgot to mention women's soccer. I know Chapel Hill is pretty well-received. Don't know about any other schools, though.

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#54 Posted on

    Originally posted by ges7184
    Of course, because what athletic conference these schools choose to participate in is so vitale to the states' and our national interest.

    From the article:
    "...The senators from West Virginia, Virginia, Connecticut, New Jersey and Pennsylvania said the defection would devastate the Big East, erode the progress its schools have made in women's sports and "send a troubling message to student-athletes across America." "

    Am I the only who doesn't understand how Miami, Boston College, and Syracuse jumping to the ACC erodes progress made in women's sports? Could somebody fill me in?



I don't really have a problem with the senators involving themselves, since Rutgers, West Virginia and UConn are state schools.



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#55 Posted on
Speaking of Rutgers, isn't the Big East sorta being hypocritical here? I mean, wasn't the Big East considering dropping Rutgers from the conference because they weren't "competitive" enough?

I'll see if I can find a link...



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#56 Posted on
I think it was Temple, at least in football.

Then they won a couple of Big East games, so they changed their minds.

And as far as the senators go, they are certainly within their rights to send a letter. I was just trying to get over that I thought their might be more pressing issues in their respective states, and the nation as a whole, than which athletic conferences these other schools play in.

As far as fan support, and keeping in mind it is the remaining Big East teams that are protesting, not the ones that may be moving to the ACC, I don't see why three teams leaving the Big East would affect fan support for the remaining teams one way or the other. The only major fan supported team I can think of really is UConn's women. And quite frankly, I think they could fill their schedule out with high school teams and sell-out. I mean, they only lost, what, one Big East game in the last 3 or 4 years. It's not like it's that competitive. As far as other concerns, Title IX forces the spending to be equitable, regardless of how the conferences are aligned.

I still don't understand that point. It would have been nice for them to provide an explanation for the slower of us out here, like me.
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#57 Posted on
It was and still is Temple. They are being repaced by UConn for football. UConn has only been a I-A football school for a couple of years and I think they've been an independent.

I guess my point about the senators is that at least they are taking interest in fellow state employees. If the Big East disbands, the state schools could lose valuable revenue affecting their constituents. I know that's stretching a little tiny bit, but there are plenty of other more stupid things senators put energy and time into dealing with.

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#58 Posted on
Backing up a little bit, I think it's probably safe to say that the women's sports at the three schools that are changing conferences probably will NOT get their funding decreased (because of Title IX), but I wouldn't be surprised if the television coverage and overall exposure of those programs decreases. While women's athletics at those schools may be big and may remain fairly big after the change, they won't really see the same kind of enthusiasm from their new conference opponents' athletic departments (at least not for the most part).

Perhaps this is what those senators were worried about. After all, if some of the leading institutions of college women's athletics start losing recognition, who knows what'll happen to the state of women's sports. Unfortunately for them, this won't change the minds of the athletic directors because their chief concern is earning money for their schools, and all of the schools involved in the new super-ACC will be winners financially.

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#59 Posted on

    Originally posted by StingArmy
    Perhaps this is what those senators were worried about. After all, if some of the leading institutions of college women's athletics start losing recognition, who knows what'll happen to the state of women's sports.


I really doubt that most of those senators are worried about women's sports - they want the money from football that schools like UM help generate.



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#60 Posted on
To make things just a little more confusing, check out who else may be joining the ACC.

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