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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.23
    Originally posted by Famous Mortimer
    Bye bye, boys. This thinning of the mid-card herd might actually be a good thing.


Yes because we know thier young talent they are bringing up now is just SO talented.


Are Test and Stacey still an item? I hope that she quits in protest.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.98
A-Train is a big guy with good mobility who always tried hard, and who never, ever, got over. I feel bad for the guy, but I won't lose sleep over it. Test I feel bad for, too. Getting fired during a long string of injuries is never cool, even if you hated Test.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
    Originally posted by Famous Mortimer
    Bye bye, boys. This thinning of the mid-card herd might actually be a good thing.


Sure, if any of these guys had been on TV in the last month (or even less recently).

It's guy who haven't been on TV not being on TV! This means little except to payroll; if they ever want them back, they'll be back.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.28
Regardless of whether or not these guys were dead weight, two of them were on the injured list and the other was in rehab. This is the scummiest list of cuts I've seen in my life. I guess you can argue it's not their job to worry about people with dependency issues, but when guys get hurt on the job and you fire them, you're liable.

Sheer idiocy.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.36

Damn, I wouldn't say I'm a Test mark or anything, but I like him tons better than Snitsky & Tomko and he was much better in the ring & on the mic ...

Wonder is we'll see T&A in TNA (get it, T&A in T ... oh nevermind ) ...

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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.05
If I'm Ivory, Mark Henry, Val Venis, Akio, Scotty 2 Hotty, or Rodney Mack, I'm updating my resume fast.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.60
    Originally posted by Kevintripod
    I give it no more than 2 months before we hear that Stacy Keibler is now dating one of the "ACTIVE" WWE wrestlers and ditches Test faster than you can say David Flair.


My prediction? Matt Hocking.

Let's see the forest for the trees here and not worry about issues of seniority, injuries or whatnot. The bottom line is that three of the least interesting workers in WWE that were never going to improve are all GONE. This is a big plus for WWE.



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.70
I kinda got a kick out of Test. He sucked, but in the best way possible. The whole "testicle" fan club thing was great.




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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.73
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    Regardless of whether or not these guys were dead weight, two of them were on the injured list and the other was in rehab. This is the scummiest list of cuts I've seen in my life. I guess you can argue it's not their job to worry about people with dependency issues, but when guys get hurt on the job and you fire them, you're liable.

    Sheer idiocy.






It is also possible that each wrestlers contract had a window where the contract was renewed 90 days/180 days etc. if they weren't terminated by a certain date, injury or rehab notwithstanding.
Also, it was 5 years with A-Train, 6 with Test, and over a decade with Gunn. At some point, if they aren't able to carry their weight, they have to be let go. Vince is running a business, not a charity. In the territory days, they all would have been on the street 30 seconds after they were injured.



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    A-Train is a big guy with good mobility who always tried hard, and who never, ever, got over. I feel bad for the guy, but I won't lose sleep over it. Test I feel bad for, too. Getting fired during a long string of injuries is never cool, even if you hated Test.

The thing w/ A-Train is, they'd push him for a few weeks, then pull back and put him on job patrol. No wonder he never got over. Admittedly, his early stuff wasn't that great, but in the last year or 2, he really seemed to be busting his ass and working on his arsenal of moves. I don't see why they didn't just team him up w/ Palumbo (when he got healthy), since the Raw tag scene is pretty sparse.

Test? Buh-bye.



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.28
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    In the territory days, they all would have been on the street 30 seconds after they were injured.


You say that like it's a good thing. In the territory days a lot of stuff was different, most of it in a bad way. But now, WWE is a publicly traded company and has to be careful how they run their operation. The further we get from the wrestlers having no rights and being sabotaged and replaced like trading cards the better.

You may be right about them using a loophole, but then again, this is WWE we're talking about. The place where the Chairman flings a cane into the eye of a kid at ringside, the place where they let people fall off fifteen-foot cells, the place that thinks it can blatantly disregard its contractual obligations in legal agreements. So I was just thinking, hey, maybe they're going to continue to be stupid and act like this is still some obscene spectacle for drunks run out of a parking lot.

I'm not saying that Vince runs a charity. Wait for them to come back from their injuries, give them one last chance to contribute and then fire them. I am only questioning the timing. Sorry, but just because someone bores me (as all these guys have and do) doesn't make me happy they are now out of work.



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.07
I kinda weep about the Test release. I don't think he was ever THAT bad, and probably garnered a spot on Heat, despite injuries.

When Test went through his whole "dick phase" last year, I found him pretty entertaining, actually.

Everytime they start cutting guys like this, I start to fret about Stevie Richards. One of these days, he'll get the axe. That will be a sad day and the last one in which I watch new WWE programming.
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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.73
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
      Originally posted by redsoxnation
      In the territory days, they all would have been on the street 30 seconds after they were injured.


    You say that like it's a good thing. In the territory days a lot of stuff was different, most of it in a bad way. But now, WWE is a publicly traded company and has to be careful how they run their operation. The further we get from the wrestlers having no rights and being sabotaged and replaced like trading cards the better.

    You may be right about them using a loophole, but then again, this is WWE we're talking about. The place where the Chairman flings a cane into the eye of a kid at ringside, the place where they let people fall off fifteen-foot cells, the place that thinks it can blatantly disregard its contractual obligations in legal agreements. So I was just thinking, hey, maybe they're going to continue to be stupid and act like this is still some obscene spectacle for drunks run out of a parking lot.

    I'm not saying that Vince runs a charity. Wait for them to come back from their injuries, give them one last chance to contribute and then fire them. I am only questioning the timing. Sorry, but just because someone bores me (as all these guys have and do) doesn't make me happy they are now out of work.






On the territory days comment: I wasn't saying it was a good thing, I'm saying that is what would have happened. If Test is wrestling for Bob Geigel in 1984 and gets injured, he wouldn't be collecting a paycheck for 6 months before being released.
By googling Gunn and Contract, according to an old PWInsider his was up in January '05, so if he has a 90 day no compete clause (and if it was signed pre March '01, it would have a high downside payoff and a no compete), Gunn is actually better off being released now, as it would make him available to NWA in February rather than in either April or May '05. Doubtful he was going to be resigned at close to the money he was making during the Attitude/NAO era, so this might be a request of his.



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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.75
I am gonna miss Test. He was a good worker for a big man and never really got a chance.

I especially remember how over he was during his initial run on WWE after getting his date with Stephanie McMahon. There was a rumour going around at the time that they were going to put the title on Test after Trips married Steffo.



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.24
    Originally posted by Screeching Weasel
    Oh well, A Train never got over the way he was supposed to, after numerous opportunities over the last few years. I think his look and style would be a good fit for NOAH, and could maybe fued with Gladiator and eventually Kobashi


I'd actually see him more in AJ, joining RO&D. He'd fit in well with that group, and they use more gaijins than NOAH.
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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.36
Nice one, Vince....kick Test to the curb while he's down and out, and on the mend from his surgury.

While I respect what Vince has done for the industry, I can't say I really respect him as a person sometimes.

EDIT: Sweet! Post # 1000 for me. FUnny, I mentioned Test in my very first post here, too. :-)

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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
I'm upset at Test and Albert going, but Gunn was holding on for FAR too long. Good riddance.

Here's to hoping that Albert goes to Japan like his role model, Vader, and not the indies like his predecessor, Viscera.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.00
Ah, a glimmer of hope appears. I know they haven't been on TV, but maybe its the security of knowing we'll never endure another push of these men that brings me joy. Good work Vince, this almost makes up for the Bradshaw and Orton title reigns.
If it weren't for injury, either one of these men could have gotten a reign with the way things are(ok except maybe A-Train, which I guess is one good thing about him).
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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.36
Man, if Kerry wins tonight (and he will), coupling that with new Looney Tunes DVDs and the realization that I'll never have to sit through the semi-annual failed Test push or another Billy Gunn match again, well, this might just be the best day of my life.

A-Train always had some potential, but he's had many chances, and he's never gotten more than moderately over.





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#40 Posted on
I'm gonna miss TEST as well. I thought for his size he worked really well in the ring and was decent on the mic. I mean he worked strong matches against Kane and then could later work a decent match with someone like Hurricane. He was pretty dang quick and versitale for such a big man.

As for GUNN, I've always liked him just because I like his look. I thought he was pretty good in the ring but nothing outstanding. Just solid. The thing is, he really was a good utility player. He could move between heel or face. Worked decent single or tag. That being said it was past his time and he was holding on to long. He should have angled for a backstage or training job if he wanted to stay around the WWE. Vince should have worked towards this as well. I mean say what you will about Gunn but he was a team player and filled whatever role was asked of him and from what I can tell, he did so without ever making problems backstage. I've heard recent reports of his drinking possibly and that may have caused some problems. I had read he was in rehab. I don't see this blow helping him in his battle though. Too bad.
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