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Seen the first two movies, haven't read any of the books. But from what I've seen of how Harry looks it is damn close to the main character from the Books of Magic. Almost too close.

The comic book series, a Vertigo one, revolves around a British kid who finds out he is a wizard. Of course by this point he has grown up. But in the start of the comic the kid was a dead ringer for Harry Potter, except the lightning scar on his forehead, but everything else... Now I know the comic books preceeded the J.K. Rowling's efforts by a few years, but what I am pondering is if the author borrow the image of her character from the book. Or perhaps is that more an iconic British image, the dark hairs scrawny kid with the round glasses?




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I haven't heard of any copyright lawsuit. And believe me with as much moolah Harry P pulls in, there would have been a big fat law suit by now.




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Didn't the kid in Books of Magic have an owl as well? I haven't looked at my copies of the original mini-series in years, but yes, a number of similarities to HP are popping into my head. Not really actionable ones--just details.

There has been at least one lawsuit against Rowling alleging some plagiarized elements in the books, but AFAIK it didn't succeed, since again it was based on nothing but details such as the word "Muggle".

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I'm not sure, I think there was an owl, but perhaps for different reasons. Hell the Books of Magic is why I wont read Harry Potter, it was one of the best things I've ever read. Up there with Watchmen, and Sandman.




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Ehhh...Rowling's more guilty of blatantly plagiarising from Tolkien more than anyone else. Giant spiders lurking aorund the corner, "He Who Must Not Be Named", the Dumbledore/Gandalf comparisons...



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.17
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Ehhh...Rowling's more guilty of blatantly plagiarising from Tolkien more than anyone else. Giant spiders lurking aorund the corner, "He Who Must Not Be Named", the Dumbledore/Gandalf comparisons...


Oh come on. It's not like Tolkien's books are complicated they were just written first.
Giant spiders? A lot of people are scared of spiders. The Mirkwood spiders are a good comparison I guess but Shelob isn't.
"He who must not be named"? I have read all of Tolkiens books and Sauron and Morgoth are named. Now if you are thinking of Jordan's WOT books then you are closer.
Dumbledore is like Gandalf. Well, yes he is. But Gandalf is like Merlin. All wizards are old men who wear weird clothes and have a big beards.
Sure Rowling borrowed concepts from other writers but who hasn't? It is a very common technique to fill in the background. It is HP, his friends, and the school of Hogwarts itself that makes Rowlings books popular.



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""He who must not be named"? I have read all of Tolkiens books and Sauron and Morgoth are named. Now if you are thinking of Jordan's WOT books then you are closer."

Check "The Council Of Elrond" in Fellowship; The Gondorians-in particular Boromir-refer to Sauron as "He Who Must Not Be Named". The entire mythology of the first few Potter books-dark force arising once more after a generation of peace, young niave character who's the only one who can stop him, old incredibly powerful wizard as his twinkly-eyed manchild mentor-is incredibly similar in its basic structure to the Rings trilogy.I'm not attacking her, particularly; it's just a little galling to see her hailed as an unparalleled literary genius, and to see kids proclaiming that Lord Of The Rings ripped off Harry Potter (trust me, it's a common view) when she, like pretty much every fantasy writer since, owes a great debt to Tolkien's work.




Once upon a time in China, some believe, around the year one double-ought three, head priest of the White Lotus Clan, Pai Mei was walking down the road, contemplating whatever it is that a man of Pai Mei's infinite power contemplates - which is another way of saying "who knows" - when a Shaolin monk appeared, traveling in the opposite direction. As the monk and the priest crossed paths, Pai Mei, in a practically unfathomable display of generosity, gave the monk the slightest of nods. The nod was not returned. Now was it the intention of the Shaolin monk to insult Pai Mei or did he just fail to see the generous social gesture? The motives of the monk remain unknown. What is known, are the consequences. The next morning Pai Mei appeared at the Shaolin Temple and demanded of the Temple's head abbot that he offer Pai Mei his neck to repay the insult. The Abbot at first tried to console Pai Mei, only to find Pai Mei was inconsolable. So began the massacre of the Shaolin Temple and all 60 of the monks inside at the fists of the White Lotus. And so began the legend of Pai Mei's five point palm exploding heart technique.
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    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    ""He who must not be named"? I have read all of Tolkiens books and Sauron and Morgoth are named. Now if you are thinking of Jordan's WOT books then you are closer."

    Check "The Council Of Elrond" in Fellowship; The Gondorians-in particular Boromir-refer to Sauron as "He Who Must Not Be Named". The entire mythology of the first few Potter books-dark force arising once more after a generation of peace, young niave character who's the only one who can stop him, old incredibly powerful wizard as his twinkly-eyed manchild mentor-is incredibly similar in its basic structure to the Rings trilogy.I'm not attacking her, particularly; it's just a little galling to see her hailed as an unparalleled literary genius, and to see kids proclaiming that Lord Of The Rings ripped off Harry Potter (trust me, it's a common view) when she, like pretty much every fantasy writer since, owes a great debt to Tolkien's work.



Let me put it this way. Rowling is English. Tolkien was English. Both Gandalf and Dumbledore are clearly based off of Merlin.
How was Frodo Gandalf's mentor? Gandalf and Frodo only spent maybe a third of the first book together. Did Frodo every do magic? Are Hobbits like manchilds? They are just short actually.
As far as the basic structure being close let me ask you this. What successful fantasy series with 3 or more books would you say aren't similar to LOTR?



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    Originally posted by Iago
    Seen the first two movies, haven't read any of the books. But from what I've seen of how Harry looks it is damn close to the main character from the Books of Magic. Almost too close.

    The comic book series, a Vertigo one, revolves around a British kid who finds out he is a wizard. Of course by this point he has grown up. But in the start of the comic the kid was a dead ringer for Harry Potter, except the lightning scar on his forehead, but everything else... Now I know the comic books preceeded the J.K. Rowling's efforts by a few years, but what I am pondering is if the author borrow the image of her character from the book. Or perhaps is that more an iconic British image, the dark hairs scrawny kid with the round glasses?


The Tim Hunter/Harry Potter comparisons have been made for years. Neil Gaiman's aware of the comparisons and doesn't care about suing over it.



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    Originally posted by Mild Mannered Madman
      Originally posted by Iago
      Seen the first two movies, haven't read any of the books. But from what I've seen of how Harry looks it is damn close to the main character from the Books of Magic. Almost too close.

      The comic book series, a Vertigo one, revolves around a British kid who finds out he is a wizard. Of course by this point he has grown up. But in the start of the comic the kid was a dead ringer for Harry Potter, except the lightning scar on his forehead, but everything else... Now I know the comic books preceeded the J.K. Rowling's efforts by a few years, but what I am pondering is if the author borrow the image of her character from the book. Or perhaps is that more an iconic British image, the dark hairs scrawny kid with the round glasses?


    The Tim Hunter/Harry Potter comparisons have been made for years. Neil Gaiman's aware of the comparisons and doesn't care about suing over it.


I hadn't been aware of it, but then I know few people who like the comic, but know of, and even read Harry Potter. Judging from the first two movies, because I don't want to read the books, there are similarities on the characters, though as point out in other posts the "Destined Boy" concept has been done, and there are similarities between them all.

Still Gaiman's work is light years over Rowling's.




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Constructs...props..that's what this boils down to.

Writers use things that we are familiar with to set us in a place, time or any other setting.

So you want the setting to be magical....brooms, owls, old guys with big white beards, wands, etc. You want the story to be messianic....a "chosen" one, an evil mysterious enemy, a supporting cast to assist the chosen one.

It's not a big surprise that since all these stories are magical AND messianic they have similar constructs and props.



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