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Since: 8.10.03
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.12
Well, it must be a major election year. "W" and company are trotting out a national "Marriage Amendment" for the constitution because we all know that this issue is of paramount importance to the survival of the republic.

To the Democratic leadership I ask the following: Give them everything they want on every social issue ranging from gay marriage to abortion to sex with chickens. EVERYTHING! And convince the courts to go along. The only thing you must ask for in return is a promise, under penalty of voluntary removal from office, that the Republicans in Congress and the White House will for 12 full months actually and constructively deal with real pressing issues such as Iraq, Iran, alternative energy, health care, etc.

I apologize for sounding smarmy but when will the base of the Republican party realize the are being played (the Dem base also. Neither sides' leadership wants these hot button issues solved and in this case the Reps know it stands a snowballs chance of passage. You socially conservative Rep footsoldiers are being played.

I do not agree with the social conservatives on many issues but I respect the fact that their beliefs are deeply held and heartfelt. Please wake up and realize most of the Rep. leadership is using you. Same goes to the Dem's on the opposite end.

Thanks for letting me rant.

(edited by DrDirt on 5.6.06 1045)


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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.78
This is a red meat issue to keep the base happy (and, I guess, annoy folks like you ) which will never get 67 votes in the Senate, which makes it a perfect distraction from all the things you'd LIKE the Senate to talk about. I would suggest that the "voluntary removal from office" will start in November. ;-)



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Dirt, I would say most social conservatives know they are being used, but where else are they going to go? The Dems won't give them anything. The Libertarians are against a lot of their positions. If they start their own party all they will do is guarantee the Dems victory all over the country. They are in a position where they have to use the GOP, imperfect a vehicle as it is, to try and get what they want.

And at this point, neither side wants to talk about anything. Bush can't seem to get anything to work for him, and the Dems are content to just keep feeding him rope hoping he will hang the GOP in the midterm elections. Bush's only hope is to again turn the election into a giant battle for the soul of America and get the religious conservatives whipped into a frenzy. Because he seemingly has lost the middle (as of June, long way to go still of course) for the GOP in this coming election. There is a sense in the House races that this could be like 1994 with people you never thought would lose suddenly going down in flames. So at the very least pushing things like this should keep the base strong enough to keep those safe seats in the GOP camp and avoid a landslide and probably at least keep House control for the GOP.

The next window of opportunity for things getting done is probably 2009. This year is shot. Next year everyone will be gearing up for the 2008 Pres. election. 2008 is a campaign year. 2009 if the Pres. controls Congress you may see things happen. Maybe...



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.91
    Originally posted by CRZ
    This is a red meat issue to keep the base happy (and, I guess, annoy folks like you ) which will never get 67 votes in the Senate, which makes it a perfect distraction from all the things you'd LIKE the Senate to talk about.


You were right on at least one count.

Gay marriage ban short of votes in Senate

On one hand, I see how people view this as nothing more than a distraction. However, if you think the social conservatives - who I pity very little - think they are being used, then imagine how the LGBT community feels about this nonsense.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.12
I agree with what has been said but disagree that this will keep the base and hence allow them to keep control. Kansas is viewed as a very red state. Yet in'02 they overwhemingly rejected a social conservative for a Dem Gov who was originally from "Back East", Ohio. Her new running mate for this year is former chair of the Rep party who is a moderate and just switched parties as did her current lt. gov. Several other prominent moderate Republicans have switched as the social cons have systematically taken over the party.

Most people are "Moderate" not extreme and although I would be happy, I can't understand this shift to the ultra right socially. I know this distracts from real issues but this seems just plain dumb. For a party that stands for less government and state's rights, this smacks of Big Brother.

And I am less than happy to envision Hillary and company back in charge in Congress. The answer to where do the social cons go is to bite the bullet and form a party that actually is committed to them. The same should be said for the far left. I would join a party that eschewed ideology and looked for solutions that might work regarding real issues.



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Right now the Senate is 55-44-1, which is really 55-45. Only 15 Republicans are facing re-election/seats are up in the Senate this year, so it would have to be a full-fledged rout for them to take control, and that is assuming they hold all their seats. And remember, Democrats need to go plus 6, not plus 5, due to Cheney.
As for the House: It is very difficult to beat incumbents. Even if polls show most people want a Democratic House, that just means the Democrats could win huge margins in the districts they win, while Republicans win by smaller margins in their districts. Tough to get them out once they get in.
As for 'Silly Season' that is occurring in the Senate now: Better them wasting time on that than doing something that could really screw up the country.
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According to recent polls, the Dems stand good chances of winning Senate seats in Pennsylvania (Santorum is getting killed) and Montana (Burns' corrupt record is a big turnoff to the seemingly slightly more Dem-leaning Montana voters). They also look good in Missouri, Ohio, Rhode Island and (if they're really lucky) Arizona or Tennessee. So I think they're going to be picking up at least a couple of seats and there don't seem to any races where Dems are in any major danger of losing seats except maybe Washington.

As for Congress, who knows. The Dems will definitely pick up seats, but given how it will just continue to stalemate things anyway, the actual number total won't make much of a difference.



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Winning a seat or two in the Senate, five or so in the House, and a governership would be the worst thing that could happen to the Dems.
The GOP is going to be weak in 08. If the Dems have a minor victory in 06 they will just make the same damn mistakes they always make. Ugly bloodletting primaries that make the Dems look bad.




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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.66
Dahak, what makes you think the Republican primaries won't be equally ugly? The GOP will be torn in 2008 between the moderate and hardcore wings of their party, whereas the Dems face that same battle but on a lesser scale. The storyline for the Dems in 2008 is easy: it'll be either Hillary or the story of whomever rises up to overtake Hillary (which I think will happen, quite frankly).



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Because I think that too many of the Democratic voters are anti-Republican more than pro-Democrat. If things look tight in 08 then the fringe groups might work together better or at least keep quiet. If things look good then things might get ugly.




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The only Republican I can see losing his U.S. Senate seat is Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania but his Democratic opponent is almost as socially conservative as he is. Republicans might pick up Senate seats in Washington and Maryland. I see the Democrats gaining maybe 5-10 seats tops in the U.S. House.

(edited by ExtremeLuchador on 13.6.06 1535)


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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.06
Dems have to overcome apathy on all fronts. Defensive
issues like Roe v Wade don't overcome apathy. Negative
campaigning doesn't overcome apathy. Dems need to find
issues related to change and use those issues to drive
voters to the polls, regardless of whether the change
can even be accomplished. Conservatives have cleverly
used unrealistic promises of change to energize voters.

Conservatives have also done a better job of outlining
their vision. Being "anti-Bush" isn't a vision, unless
we keep Bush around, but simply do the opposite. What
was Kerry going to do about Iraq? No one knew because
he didn't have the courage to take a position. People
do not turn out in numbers to vote for the status quo,
to vote out of spite, or to vote for an unknown future.

The Democrats need their own "contract with America"
and it needs to include their ideas for solving issues
that are important, not vapid platitudes like "more
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.98
Boston Idol, well played. You are exactly correct. They have no "vision". If they develop one it will help both parties and that will help the country. If the Reps have to respond to a well thought out platform b the Dems, both may have to actually deal with issues.

Love him or hate him, Newt was a genius and his '94 "Contract with America" was pure gold.



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