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Triple H is a shell of his former self. I keep hearing this. But the one thing I never hear anyone saying is that Triple H was never that good to begin with. And that is the point I would like to make. Here is the hands-down most boring in-ring non-WCW performer of the mid-to-late-90’s. Watch the Hog Pen match if you doubt it, and then go two years forward, and watch his match with Foley at King of the Ring ’97. He plods around the ring and looks for the older, heavier Foley to be the one who is supposed to move. Watch Trips in dX when he came out and made a penis joke every week, as someone on the board reminded me recently. Then watch a match from that era. With Sid, or Ken Shamrock, or *shudder* Sgt. Slaughter. If the son of a bitch wasn’t wrestling Foley or Owen Hart, the match was god-awful. Later, he would go on to be a big face who was major over because he *giggle* told people to (cups mouth to muffle sound) suck his penis! There’s an accomplished athlete! Wow! And make no mistake, THAT little trick is what got him over, not his ring work. Then he was able to latch on to the rocket to the moon that was the Rock, and SOMEHOW manages to make it seem he ‘made’ the Rock. He’s made this claim before, in less obvious terms but the claim made nonetheless. Yeah, Trips, you ‘made’ him. By having him job to you in the biggest match in his career up to that point. (Ladder match, Summerslam ’98) Then he turns heel and continues to bore and annoy en route to Summerslam ’99, where he has a crappy three-way with Mick and Steve. He gets the belt, and no one thinks he deserves it. And then, suddenly, he’s a hero. I never understood this. He got better, granted, but people treated him as if he were the best worker in the history of the business. All of a sudden he could ‘work with anyone’. WHAT? When did he get that good? Was I sleeping or just masturbating when this happened? He had great matches with Rock, Foley, Benoit, Angle, Jericho and Austin and HE gets the credit? Why? Anyone could have great matches with those guys. Yes, he had the one good match with Taka and made it seem as if Taka could win the belt, but that was one out of a dozen matches with lower-tier stars that actually turned out well. Was his match with Big Show a success? ‘Cause I never slept better, let me tell you. Was that squash with Jeff Hardy a five-star workshop? No! He was VERY well protected. Just as Heyman protected many of his guys and made them look great when they weren’t, (we were all surprised to discover Mike Awesome actually sucks when he went to WCW) due to strong booking, Vince and Stephie Baby protected Trips.
He has a war with Foley involving tacks and barbed wire. Wow. And that made it, what, sixty-seven billion great matches Mick has had with the toys? A gimmicked bump MAKES the later Hell in the Cell match with Foley. Then Trips goes to Wrestlemania and sucks the ring up with three other guys in a main event, to go down in history as the worst at the annual event since Bundy-Hogan. He wasn’t so hot when he didn’t have someone in there to take, and take, and take, and take bumps. This is your ‘new Ric Flair’? Please! What a joke! Just because he does a half-assed puss-i-fied version of the Flair flip over the buckle (in which he, GASP, hooks the rope and misses the buckle completely, if you were too blinded with McMahon-a-ganda to notice) doesn’t make him anywhere near the calibre of Flair. He NEVER was.
He was good. But not all that damn good.
Whether he’s worse now or not is a point made less and less relevant by the day, due to the fact that Kurt Angle has, by 2002, approached, matched, and eclipsed anything Triple H has ever done in the ring as a performer. I guess I don’t ache for the Triple H of a couple years ago because even if he was back, 100 %, he still wouldn’t be able to touch the work Angle puts in every single week.
And THIS is the new Flair, my friends. But let’s not disrespect either him, or Flair, by making that claim. Let’s just say “he’s Kurt Angle”. That’s more than enough.




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Is Kurt Angle better than HHH? Probably. Almost certainly. He's certainly better than the matches Trips has been having since his return.

But to say Y2K HHH was just good? That's a travesty. Name me a bad match he had in 2000. Outside of his work with a broken down Austin towards the end of the year, I can't think of one. HHH never had the super-varied offense or pure technical wrestling ability that Kurt and Benoit have. But, for a while there, he was the best ring general in the business, an absolute master of ring psychology and storytelling. And -that's- what made the Flair comparisons, that's what made people call him the "New Man". Did it last? No, it didn't. I still think he's better than most people give him credit for, but he hasn't come back to his old form. If you didn't enjoy his work during the McMahon -Helmsley era, I'm sorry. To me, that was one of the greatest period of wrestling fandom.

To suggest that enjoying his ring-work makes anyone blinded by "McMahon-a-ganda" is ludicrous. I would never take away the part that Rock, Foley, Benoit, etc. had in the great matches HHH had. Just don't cheat Hunter out of his fair share of the glory.



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HHH had a damn good RAW main event against Billy Gunn in late 2000. Against Billy Gunn. Billy Gunn. He had a damn good match against Billy Gunn. Billy fucking Gunn.

Just wanting to make sure you follow that. (As a point of comparison, Chris Benoit had a really shitty match against Billy Gunn a few months later.)



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I was a big fan of Triple H's work in early 2000. Protective booking? Yep. But he still got the job done when it came to being an entertaining foil for guys like The Rock and Foley and Jericho, and even played a decent babyface foil against Angle in Sept 2000.

In fact, his stuff in 2000 not only kicks the crap out of the stuff he is doing now, but it still holds up today. I watched a tape of his Iron Man Match with The Rock and I still enjoyed the shit out of it.

Of course I never really considered him the next Flair or anything either. Angle looks to be heading down that road though, and I love it. Hopefully he will get another top heel run.



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Anytime you doubt Triple H's effectiveness as a heel, get a tape of his (April 10 I believe) 2000 title defense against TAKA Michinuku, where the entire crowd was actually convinced that TAKA had him pinned. He brawled excellently and convincingly against possibly the greatest brawler ever in Mick Foley (in Foley's most dangerous and aggressive persona, Cactus Jack). The iron man match against the Rock in May 2000 showed he can carry the psychology of a long match great. As said, he carried Billy Gunn to one of his best single's matches.

Why do you say he "made Rock job to him" at Summerslam 1998? You realize he was the face in a feud's blowoff match?

It sounds like you are holding against him the fact that he wrestled very good workers. Benoit hasn't had many memorable matches against guys who aren't Angle, Jericho, Austin, etc. Does that mean he sucks? No, it means the best works get booked to work against the other best workers.

You're assuming that because he bores you, he bores everybody. Listen to his crowd reaction during his main event heel run, and see if you still think he "bores and annoys."

Where did he claim to make the Rock (out of character, mind you)?

Rock sucked at one point, but he got good upon his heel turn in 1997 and especially summer 1998.



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#6 Posted on
HHH was pretty good back in the day, but MAN he sure calls out his spots loudly.

Just watched his Royal Rumble 2000 match with Foley. I can't see how anyone could find fault with him back then. Good worker, looked great, the whole package.



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"Is Kurt Angle better than HHH? Probably. Almost certainly. He's certainly better than the matches Trips has been having since his return."

There ain't no probably about it in my book. At least Angle promos don't put me to sleep. Triple H is so bad in his stuff, I just tune it out. I can't tell you one thing the guy's done since he jobbed the belt to Hogan, beat Jericho at WMX8 and beat Jericho in the Hell in a Cell at Judgement Day. Triple H bores me. Always has. The best example of this is when Trips went postal and was breaking everything including a twenty dollar camera with a sledgehammer and I sat there, yawned a bunch and said "this is poop" about fifty times, meanwhile turning the channel to see if those crappy Brave's were losing/see who was on the "Best Damn Sports Show".

As for Triple H's in ring workrate, I've always said there are guys who are carried, just plain carried to good matches. Undertaker is the biggest one of these guys, he can't actually carry someone to a good match, but can be carried to a good match. I will say that Triple H, now, definitely falls into this category. If his opponent isn't motivated to work, it's gonna' be hell. As for his in-ring stuff in '00, he was better then, than he was now.

And as for his monster push and winning the title over Foley the night after the three way between himself, Austin and Foley, I read some comments from Russo about that very same push and thought they were interesting. Meltzer has also said this a couple of times, as well as some other writers, but it was something along the lines of, "The WWF doesn't give fans what they want. They repackage old stars so we see them in a new way, then they shove them down our throats until we accept it. Eventualy, people latch onto this superstar and they're over. But, it's very rare, that we, as fans get what we want."

Also, that's not the exact qoute, I'm very sure Russo said things along those lines, but if anyone else can find the EXACT commentary and post it, I'd be interesting in reading it. As there was a lot more to it.

(edited by WhoBettahThanDeion on 7.7.02 2054)


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#8 Posted on
His match with Rock, the Judgment Day match that was Iron Man, was NOT a great match. I'm sorry. It wasn't. It was not near the level of Bret-Shawn, or the Bret-Owen iron man matches at house shows, or any of the sixty minute Flair matches that occurred. Was it an okay match? Yes. Was that all Helmsley? No. I didn't see him carrying anything. He was booked on top for the whole bout.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42

    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    His match with Rock, the Judgment Day match that was Iron Man, was NOT a great match. I'm sorry. It wasn't. It was not near the level of Bret-Shawn, or the Bret-Owen iron man matches at house shows, or any of the sixty minute Flair matches that occurred. Was it an okay match? Yes. Was that all Helmsley? No. I didn't see him carrying anything. He was booked on top for the whole bout.


I thought the Judgment Day match was a hell of a lot better than the WM 12 match. Certainly a whole lot better than "okay". If main events today were the caliber of the ones Triple H/Rock were putting on before Undertaker's return, WWE would be in better shape today. It was a heated feud with excellent matches that kept people interested.

I would much rather watch Triple H circa summer 2000 than HBK circa summer 1996.



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#10 Posted on
Actually, I thought the Rock/HHH ironman match was better than the Shawn/Bret one, because there wasn't such a nightmare ego problem to deal with. The whole point of an Ironman match is supposed to be to allow multiple falls, but because neither Bret or Shawn wanted to job to the other, we ended up with basically a very long 1 fall match. One in which the two guys really never seemed to be in sync with the other.

Contrast this with HHH/Rock, where they worked very well together. They used the Ironman psychology exquisitely, such as the chair shot which cost HHH one fall, but gained him an easy pin and weakened Rock for a while. Even if I didn't much care for the ending, I don't think it was any worse than the overtime stuff at the end of Bret/Shawn. While I wouldn't call that match at the level of say the Flair/Steamboat 60 minute match, I think it really was the peak for HHH in both persona and in workrate.



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#11 Posted on
WhobettathanDeion said :
Triple H bores me. Always has.

What follows is him running down the Triple H after his return.
And we all agree, post-op H isn't the man he used to be.

2000 HHH was over as hell, everybody hated him and yes it was a good hatred..people were waiting for him to get destroyed but he always managed to turn the tables.
(mind you, i am talking on-screen, i dont care if he controled the angle backstage)
He did deliver some great matches with some great psychology. Yes he might have had help but wrestling is a two way thing. Hunter's uberheel persona helped getting guys like the ROck over. For the simple fact that you had the idea 'Rock has gotten his ass kicked so often there is no way he is going to get back up' and then he did.
It's the way to build a classic uberheel/underdog face feud.

Even the night that Jericho did not win the title, HHH's nasty behavior helped Jericho gain alot in the eye of the fans, as they totally sympathized with him being screwed out of the title.

It's a shame right now he isn't a shadow of that person he was back then and I hope somehow he can find 'it' again.
Imo it won't happen as a face..



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#12 Posted on
Triple H has seemed sluggish since he came back, but that's to be expected. You can't put on weight like he did while he was out and expect to come back and do waht you used to do. I was a very good basketball player a few years ago, but I stopped playing until recently. During that layoff, I put on a lot of muscle which hasn't helped me in my quest to comeback. Before I stopped playing, my game was based on quickness, now I can't move as quickly as I can and I can't jump the way that I used to. I have to get used to my body being the way it is and I can sympathize with Triple H. You could also compare him to a kid that experiences a growth spurt and becomes uncoordinated. Triple H can't do what he use to do, so he needs to change his game. I doubt that you can do that when you are put in the spotlight like he has been.


If you want to see another great Triple H match,he also put on a great match against Rikishi on a Smackdown during early/mid 2000. I honestly believed that Rikishi had a shot at winning the belt, and the match was at the height of Rikishi's overness.
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#13 Posted on
The question is why Triple H felt the need to put on all that muscle. He goes to bodybuilding shows and the like, and seems quite taken with that whole "sport". Well that won't do shit to make him a better wrestler. The bigger men get in wrestling, the more they suck with a few glaring exceptions(Brody, 'Zuna, etc.) And there is NO way, if you talk to a bodybuilder who does it drug free, that a man can naturally put on the kind of muscle mass Triple H has. Compared to 1997, he's added thirty pounds to his upper body since then (while his legs have remained roughly the same size). He's obsessed with being bigger, but that doesn't factor in too well with being a quick, sharp worker, which is what today's wrestling fan desires. But he was always slow, plodding, and boring to me. Trips circa 2000 was not what I'd call amazing, and I stand by that. I don't remember him tearing the house down every week like people on this board seem to imply he did. I remember the Taka match, and the Billy Gunn match. The comparison between Billy Gunn having the good match with H and the bad one with Benoit. Well I ask you first of all if the one with Trips was that good, because I NEVER thought Gunn was beating him (as I almost did with Taka, I admit). Then, realize the matches with Benoit came after Gunn had been out with his rotator cuff injury, and he was winded during both matches (on PPV and RAW) and in both matches, he visibly made errors that endangered Benoit's neck. All I'm saying is Gunn was in shape for one match and looked like crap for the Benoit matches, which makes a comparison unfair. Don't discount the retardation of the dance partner, because sometimes that can make a regular Barishnikoff look shitty doing the even the Macarena.
The real point here is that Triple H should be able to be entertaining without being quick. Foley had a lot of good matches, and was as slow as any main event guy I can think of from the common era.







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#14 Posted on
I don't think of Foley as being slow. I always remember Foley NOT being the fastest and walking everywhere, except to run to do that knee in the corner move he does so well, BUT, Foley was always quick on the recovery.

As for speed, I don't think it's a question of speed with Triple H, it's a question of just him having the right opponent.

Also, I've watched both Shawn and Bret and Rock and Triple H, and the two don't even compate. Shawn and Bret is eighty five percent rest holds, period. Now, the afrgument can be made that that's good psychology, but it ain't fun to watch, period. Rest hold's suck. Bagwell could have wrestled in that match and we'd have never known the difference (easy people, scarcasm there). BUT, Rock/Triple H, was all action. I remember in the early going when they were going from move to move to move thinkin "Man, if these guys keep this up, they ain't gonna' have much gas left in the tank." But, the perservered. That match totally exceeded my expectations and totally knocked Bret/Shawn outta' the water.



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#15 Posted on

    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    Why do you say he "made Rock job to him" at Summerslam 1998? You realize he was the face in a feud's blowoff match?


Yeah, too bad HHH didn't realize this around WrestleMania 2000. THAT's why HHH sucks.
He was still pretty boring in 2000, despite having a good batting average match-wise. He was definitely no "next Ric Flair" as people claimed him to be. He was a good foil for guys like Rock & Foley, except that he himself was never foiled, which made him out to be a pretty bad foil when you look at it in retrospect.

HHH had some pretty good matches with midcarders back in 2000, but I don't see that as any different than what UT is doing now. Except the one time Jericho didn't beat him. Hell, I find what UT is doing now to be actually more entertaining since he hasn't been rediculously put over and is making a gimmick about picking on younger guys. It's actually helping Jeff Hardy get over, too, unlike TAKA, who was pretty much forgotten about after that match.
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#16 Posted on
In the era of Steph-HHH, Trips put on an awsome match with RIKISHI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rikishi should be on Heat or something, He is not a main-eventer, He's a low mid-carder at best. That shows that Triple H does have the wrestling ability that some doubt now. 90% of the world couldn't have a good match with Rikishi. HHH is not what he used to be, hopefully he can get the steps he lost back. He was great in 2000.



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#17 Posted on

    Originally posted by Chico Santana
    In the era of Steph-HHH, Trips put on an awsome match with RIKISHI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Rikishi should be on Heat or something, He is not a main-eventer, He's a low mid-carder at best. That shows that Triple H does have the wrestling ability that some doubt now. 90% of the world couldn't have a good match with Rikishi. HHH is not what he used to be, hopefully he can get the steps he lost back. He was great in 2000.




Um, if you don't mind me saying, when Rikishi isn't booked in a goofy comedy match he is one of the most agile big men around, IMHO.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42

    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID

      Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      Why do you say he "made Rock job to him" at Summerslam 1998? You realize he was the face in a feud's blowoff match?


    Yeah, too bad HHH didn't realize this around WrestleMania 2000. THAT's why HHH sucks.

    He was still pretty boring in 2000, despite having a good batting average match-wise. He was definitely no "next Ric Flair" as people claimed him to be. He was a good foil for guys like Rock & Foley, except that he himself was never foiled, which made him out to be a pretty bad foil when you look at it in retrospect.

    HHH had some pretty good matches with midcarders back in 2000, but I don't see that as any different than what UT is doing now. Except the one time Jericho didn't beat him. Hell, I find what UT is doing now to be actually more entertaining since he hasn't been rediculously put over and is making a gimmick about picking on younger guys. It's actually helping Jeff Hardy get over, too, unlike TAKA, who was pretty much forgotten about after that match.



That still doesn't answer my question though. What makes anyone so sure those instances were Triple H "making" Rock job to him rather than the WWF deciding that it was the way they wanted their booking to go?



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#19 Posted on
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    That still doesn't answer my question though. What makes anyone so sure those instances were Triple H "making" Rock job to him rather than the WWF deciding that it was the way they wanted their booking to go?


EDIT: Regarding the original quote TheBucsFan addressed about someone implying "HHH making The Rock job to him at SummerSlam '98" That's not what I was referring to. I was addressing the whole thing about faces going over in the blowoff match. HHH, the face, won the blowoff match that one time, but when The Rock was the face, he didn't.

That's not really the issue, though. The WWF DID decide that was the way they wanted their booking to go. It's not about backstage politics... well, actually, it could very well be, but that's not what I'm addressing. It's about the on-screen storyline making HHH out to be better than he actually was and how it's been detrimental to the WWF/WWE.

They wanted to put HHH over Foley & Rock again at WrestleMania 2K. The issue is whether or not it was the right move for them to make and it really wasn't if you take a look at the steady decline of everything since then.

When HHH beat Foley & Rock after months of beating both of them on television, it was really the worst possible ending. Especially when you combine that with Vince McMahon turning heel in a very un-dramatic fashion. It was anticlimactic at an event that is supposed to be, ironically, the climax of everything. HHH walked away with the belt and the first heel title retention at WM, but HHH's accomplishment and hardly something the fans really wanted to see, yet they got it every week thereafter even heading into today, where HHH beats up 10 guys on a regular basis (when he's healthy)

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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42
I think if Rock had won a four way match instead of a singles match, it wouldn't have meant nearly as much. I liked how that summer played out, putting the Rock's win off til Backlash and having those two trade the belt before Rock came away for good with it (even if he did pin Vince to win it).



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