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Since: 14.1.02
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#1 Posted on
Well, hopefully it's quick..

Ever since the news of the Austin domestic violence story broke, i've seen people tripping all over themselves to talk about what a horrible person Steve Austin is..

Is it over okay to hit a woman? Probably not. Does doing it once make someone a bad person? See, this is where I disagree. Every single person here has done something under stress than in retrospect they wish they hadnt done, I know I sure as hell have.. but you own up to it and you move on...

I dunno, I guess the point i'm trying to make is that there is a difference between a horrible act and a horrible person, and it seems people have trouble with this..

Did that make any sense at all?
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Amen. As I've said before, I'm waiting to see what Steve has to say for himself before I pass judgment.



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Ah, but that's the thing ... If I read those police reports correctly, Debra claimed that this is NOT the first time Austin has struck her.

Could she be lying? Sure. However, the seeds of doubt have been planted as to whether or not this was an isolated incident ... Whether or not the stress of the job got to Austin or not, it's just wrong wrong wrong.

Now, I'm not going to play the part of "revisionist historian" and claim that I never liked Austin and he always sucked and blah blah blah ... But this changes things, no way around it.





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    #4 Posted on
    You read them wrong.. so did Meltzer (well, had them read TO him wrong)

    What she said was that he hit her several times after an argument(singular, ONE incident) and "I can't believe he hit me", which also implies that it hadn't happened before..

    I dunno, I'm inclined to give the man the benefit of the doubt until I hear otherwise, he deserves that just like anyone else does..

    (NOTE: By benefit of the doubt, i dont mean not believing it happened, I mean not classifying him as a guy who chronically beats women.. as far as i know this is the first time anyone has ever accused him of violence towards women, and as I said before i dont think one incident, with what from the description seem to be minor injuries, makes someone a horrible person worthy of crucifixion and shunning.. and before anyone says anything, i dont think the fact that they were only minor injuries justifies the act, just sort of tempers the severity i guess.. ::shrug::)

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      Originally posted by Alessandro
      If I read those police reports correctly...
    Read it again.



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    I saw a straight-to-HBO shitflick years ago where a woman hated her husband (he cheated on her?), so, to get back at him, she filled a pillowcase with baseballs, tied it closed with a rope, and tied the other end of the rope to the ceiling or whatever, and swung the bag so it would come back, hitting her in the face and leaving bruises. You can imagine where it went from there.

    Now, whether that was some misogynistic writer aiming for outrage, or if this really might go on somewhere, sometimes, or what... but it just made me think, when this whole situation came up, as a possibility. And I know, that's terrible and awful to think, but somebody mentioned the whole Lawler/Kat situation and... eh, he probably did beat her up.

    Sure would be fucked if he hadn't, though.



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      Originally posted by Zedar
      You read them wrong.. so did Meltzer (well, had them read TO him wrong)

      What she said was that he hit her several times after an argument(singular, ONE incident) and "I can't believe he hit me", which also implies that it hadn't happened before..

      I dunno, I'm inclined to give the man the benefit of the doubt until I hear otherwise, he deserves that just like anyone else does..

      (NOTE: By benefit of the doubt, i dont mean not believing it happened, I mean not classifying him as a guy who chronically beats women.. as far as i know this is the first time anyone has ever accused him of violence towards women, and as I said before i dont think one incident, with what from the description seem to be minor injuries, makes someone a horrible person worthy of crucifixion and shunning.. and before anyone says anything, i dont think the fact that they were only minor injuries justifies the act, just sort of tempers the severity i guess.. ::shrug::)

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    But he hit her multiple times.

    That's like saying Andrea Yates is forgivable because she only killed her kids that one day.

    If he had blown up and hit her one time, then it might have have been forgivable. Then it might have been a case of blowing his top and doing something he'd regret.

    But he hit her over and over again.




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    Big difference between Steve Williams and Andrea Yates, though. You can't compare assault to murder, as they're entirely different crimes.




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    I haven't commented on this issue, but I think maybe it's time. I think I agree with what Zedar is saying. One time doesn't constitute a "horrible person" it constitutes a "horrible act".

    Has Austin done this before? We'll never really know. There are so many things that came into effect over the past seven days.

    I mean, seriously, lets look at it from our own point of view. Little things that tick us off, like coming home after a long day of work to see nothing on the dinner table..frustrating, right? Do we beat up our wife/girlfriend/mother ? No, of course not....

    Austin sits home, knows he's going to get buried by his long time friend Jim Ross and Vince McMahon. You know for a fact someone from WWE leaked the info to Austin on what the show detailed..lets not be naive (Sp?) about that.

    So, Austin erupts..he's pretty much pissed away a TON of money, and lost his lively hood in the meantime...all brought on by his own stupidity...

    So he lashes out at the only person around: Debra.

    The question of it being right or wrong is dumb. Obviously it's wrong. Was it an isolated incident? No one will EVER know the truth.

    So, before we label Austin a "Stupid, man beating redneck" why don't we offer our deepest sympathies to those parties involved: Steve and Debra.

    This isn't about wrestling, wrestlemania, who's right/who's wrong, ... this is about human lives and the reprecussions of an athlete who watched his career incinerate in front of his own eyes.

    We've all done stupid shit, as Zedar said...lets not judge. Let's just hope for everyone's sack that this story ends well...or as well as it can anyways.



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    #10 Posted on

      Originally posted by DennisDubay
      We've all done stupid shit, as Zedar said...lets not judge.


    I'm also hoping for the best, and for the record, I like Austin. But I feel like I must point out that yes, we have all done stupid shit, and there have been times when I was angry enough to punch my wife, but I never did it. Most people don't.
    I can understand Austin getting mad at the world, including Debra. Maybe she was standing there bitching at him for walking out, and I can certainly understand how nagging makes you want to go nuclear. But there is one allegation in the police report that (if it is true) makes me unable to excuse any of this or to look at Austin in a favorable light:

    He (allegedly) hit her in the freakin' BACK.



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    Since: 7.1.02
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    #11 Posted on
    I'm sorry, but I really don't care if this was the only time it has happened. Look, there are so many ways to handle this OTHER than beat up his wife. I would NEVER, NEVER hit a woman (outside of self-defense if I truly thought I was in danger). There are certain lines I don't cross, no matter how angry I get. I'm not perfect, I do make bad decisions, but there are certain decisions I don't even consider. The fact that Austin apparently does consider beating his wife an option I think says a lot about his personality (even if this is the only timee he has ever acted on that option).

    Look, there are MANY, MANY ways to take out frustration without beating up anyone. Austin made a bad choice, and he has to live with the consequences of that choice, which includes a loss of popularity.
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    #12 Posted on
    I would only add that bad acts *flow out of* bad people. In fact, we are all "bad people" in the sense that we have the capability of doing wrong and horrible things all the time, whether it be hitting someone or making fun of them. Obviously one may be worse in some ways than the other, but the point is that I would not draw a distinction between bad acts and bad people. Austin is human, and humans have a natural capacity to do evil. Austin needs to repent to his wife and then to God. Sorry to get all religious here but to me it is the only way to see it.

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