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Since: 19.6.02
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#1 Posted on
In another thread, Rikidozan said this:

Chris Benoit has won:
I-C title 4 times (Current Champ)
Tag w/ Jericho on 21 May 2001
WWF Light Heavyweight as the Pegasus Kid over Villano III on 3 Mar 1991 (my 14th b-day!!!)

he lost as the Wild Pegasus to Shinjiro Ohtani to crown the WCW cruiserweight title on 20 Mar 1996
Shinjiro Ohtani also won the WWF lightheavyweight title on 10 Aug 1997 over El Samuri and was the last title holder before the WWF decided to have the Light heavyweight champ on TV and held the tourny where TAKA won the title.


I've heard this before that there was a light heavyweight title from the WWF that was defended in Japan throughout the 80's and early 90's. Does anyone know the history of this title and why it was never defended in the U.S. or even in the WWF?

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#2 Posted on
Way back when the WWF had strong ties with promotions in Mexico and Japan, they decided to set up titles JUST for those areas [The International Heavyweight Title, for instance, was defended primarily in Japan until it was dissolved] So, as such, the WWF set up the old Light Heavyweight Title for defense in Mexico, for the Mexican shows. And since the young buck Chris Benoit was wrestling in Japan & Mexico during that time, and was a damned good hand, they gave him the title. Of course, they didn't sign him, and he went on to get "held down" in WCW for many years to come.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.52
The complete history of the WWF Light Heavyweight Title belt, including the pre-North American history, can be found at Solie's Vintage Wrestling. http://www.solie.org.

Chris Benoit did indeed hold this title, both winning and losing it to Villano III. He held the title for a little over a year, I believe.

About the WCW Cruiserweight Title... it was intially decided in a non-WCW show in Japan, I believe. Chris Benoit was not under WCW contract at the time. So, as a sign of things to come, Chris Benoit jobbed in a WCW title match before he even arrived in WCW.



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#4 Posted on
The WWF Lightheavyweight Title was also a part of Ultimo Dragon's 8 belts that he brought into WCW in late '96.

So, when Ultimo defeated Dean Malenko at Starrcade '96 in the "9 belt match" to win the WCW Cruiserweight Title, he became the first-ever WWF & WCW unified champion.

EDIT: I think that would have made him the Universal World British Commonwealth Junior Light-Heavy-Welter-Cruiserweight Champion.

(edited by SKLOKAZOID on 14.8.02 1742)
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.52
Damn, Sklokazoid, I'm glad they simply called the other eight belts the “Octuple Title”, otherwise that would have to be the single longest belt-name ever. And imagine getting that onto a chryon.

You're slightly inaccurate, though, about Ultimo being the first-ever “unified” WWF and WCW champion. True, he was the first wrestler ever to hold a WWF and WCW title simultaneously, but the Octuple Title and the WCW Cruiserweight Title were never unified. When Ultimo lost the Octuple Title, the Cruiserweight Title didn't go with it. (Or, whatever order in which that happened, I'm slightly too lazy to look that up right now, LOL).



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#6 Posted on
    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    Damn, Sklokazoid, I'm glad they simply called the other eight belts the “Octuple Title”, otherwise that would have to be the single longest belt-name ever. And imagine getting that onto a chryon.

    You're slightly inaccurate, though, about Ultimo being the first-ever “unified” WWF and WCW champion. True, he was the first wrestler ever to hold a WWF and WCW title simultaneously, but the Octuple Title and the WCW Cruiserweight Title were never unified. When Ultimo lost the Octuple Title, the Cruiserweight Title didn't go with it. (Or, whatever order in which that happened, I'm slightly too lazy to look that up right now, LOL).



The "Octuple Title" was called the J*Crown, actually. It was decided in an 8 man tournament by New Japan Pro Wrestling among the Japanese Jr. Heavyweight Champions and won by The Great Sasuke on 8/5/96.

The belts were:
IWGP Jr. Heavyweight Championship (The Great Sasuke)
NWA World Jr. Heavyweight Championship (Masayoshi Motegi)
International Jr. Heavyweight Championship (Ultimo Dragon)
British Commonwealth Jr. Heavyweight Championship (Jushin Lyger)
WWF Light Heavyweight Championship (El Samurai)
UWA Jr. Heavyweight Championship (Shinjiro Ohtani)
WWA Jr. Heavyweight Championship (Gran Hamada)
NWA Welterweight Championship (Negro Casas)

Sasuke defeated Ultimo Dragon in the finals of the tournament, but suffered a skull fracture in doing so. He dropped the belts to Dragon on 10/11/96

Dragon went on to win the WCW Cruiserweight Championship at Starrcade '96 and defended it as part of the J*Crown in Japan, but only defended the WCW belt against Malenko in WCW. While the titles WERE unified, WCW could not sanction a defense for the non-WCW titles.

Shinjiro Ohtani was the final J*Crown champion. It was broken up when the WWF (now WWE) requested the WWF Light-Heavyweight Championship be returned so they could crown their own Champion. Ohtani returned 6 of the other belts as well, retaining only the IWGP Jr. Heavyweight Championship.

Source: The Great Hisa's Puroresu Dojo

EDIT: Added competitors, source.

(edited by Mild Mannered Madman on 15.8.02 1127)

(edited by Mild Mannered Madman on 15.8.02 1130)


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#8 Posted on
Me too, Salami.
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Daaamn.

Reading that list, that would also make Ultimo Dragon the first-ever unified WWF, WCW and NWA champion!

I did a little research of my own, 'cuz I could have sworn that Ultimo Dragon won yet a tenth belt at this time.

Indeed, according to my research, Ultimo Dragon defeated, of all people, Chris Jericho to win the NWA World Middleweight Title on 11/8/94. Ultimo held this belt in conjunction with the WCW Cruiserweight Title. So Ultimo actually held ten belts-- the J*Crown octuple titles, the WCW World Cruiserweight Title and the NWA World Middleweight Title.

He held so many belts that he needed his manager, Sonny Onoo, to carry a few of them out to the ring with him. Ten belts for one man is very, very impressive.

Ultimo lost the J*Crown to Jushin Thunder Liger on 1/4/97, and the WCW World Cruiserweight Title to Dean Malenko on 1/21/97.



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#10 Posted on

    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    Daaamn.

    Reading that list, that would also make Ultimo Dragon the first-ever unified WWF, WCW and NWA champion!

    I did a little research of my own, 'cuz I could have sworn that Ultimo Dragon won yet a tenth belt at this time.

    Indeed, according to my research, Ultimo Dragon defeated, of all people, Chris Jericho to win the NWA World Middleweight Title on 11/8/94. Ultimo held this belt in conjunction with the WCW Cruiserweight Title. So Ultimo actually held ten belts-- the J*Crown octuple titles, the WCW World Cruiserweight Title and the NWA World Middleweight Title.

    He held so many belts that he needed his manager, Sonny Onoo, to carry a few of them out to the ring with him. Ten belts for one man is very, very impressive.

    Ultimo lost the J*Crown to Jushin Thunder Liger on 1/4/97, and the WCW World Cruiserweight Title to Dean Malenko on 1/21/97.


I think the NWA World Middleweight Title (which probably was being used by Genechiro Tenryu's WAR promotion) was likely discontinued. Thanks for the timeline explanation on Lyger winning the J*Crown, it'd make sense he'd take the belts at the 1/4 Dome show.






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