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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.10
I can't believe the none of the Triple Haters have brought this up but Click Here

I may have to give up and join the Haters myself. Can you imagine how hard it must have been for some of the guys to bite their lip knowing how Trips keeps his "push" alive these days. The biggest tragedy is that the people that should have been speaking on this subject were Arn and Finley and instead HHH is flapping his lips and flexing.






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Hm. Maybe it's because there ISN'T ANY BACKSTAGE POLITICS?!?!? Ever think of that, jerky? No, of course not. Whatever appears in dirtsheets scrabbling to get subscribers and hits on their website in this age of broken kayfabe must be true.
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It's from WWE.com not a dirtysheet. If you bothered to read it instead of responding with your witty "jerky" comment 10 seconds after I posted you would have noticed.



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I'm not talking about the peptalk. I'm talking about H's supposed "political clout".
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Question. Why does HE get to talk at these peptalks? I'm not using the clout argument, but come on. The guy gets monster pushes from hell and is with the bosses daughter, you don't find that convenient that everything Triple H does gets a video package and put over? HE'S BORING! I don't care about clout, get him off my tv. Or, better yet, don't have him come back! I don't need Triple H updates every show. I don't hear Kanyon updates, or on Rhyno's condition. Period. Sure, they're not main eventers, but BOTH are more entertaining than that roided up freak.

I hope that's how Bischoff gets him on RAW. Offers him unlimited Steriods, and Triple H accepts.




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Well, I would say this:

- Between Triple H's "you're lazy, you need to work as hard as I do" stuff and Johnny Ace's "we need to be more supportive of each other" stuff, they're not exactly putting out a coherent message here.
- In most cases, I think you'll find that the patented Ross Report "certain unnamed people in the company need to stop doing X, Y, and Z" approach that HHH is using here is not a particularly good motivational technique. Of course, for all I know, they are constantly going up to people individually and telling them what exactly they are doing wrong. I would hope so, anyway.
- If the wrestlers are truly as shiftless as HHH suggests, then it seems like there's a pretty good chance they would just roll their eyes and go "oh, yeah, easy for you to say, you sure worked your way up, whatever", in which case it wouldn't do any good. If they seriously have wrestlers who are lazy, can't work, and think they're owed the undisputed championship, then they should fire them. I highly doubt HHH or anyone else really believes that Nintendo is the fed's basic problem, so it's all kind of mind games really.



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I will sidestep the "Triple H and politics" issue and say the REAL problem with this is that it seemingly puts Triple H above the rest of the roster in both importance and overall professionalism, which wouldn't seem like the best way to keep your workers happy in any business.



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The utter negativity of this thread amazes me, seeing as it's centered around the WWE realizing its problems and trying to work them out.
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I suppose there's no chance he could be, y'know REALLY concerned about business and morale, right? Nahhhh, it's all a big political game.

I'm sorry guys, but the "HHH=666" thing has just gotten outta hand to point where he's been blamed for damn near everything on this board, irregardless of logic (or it's Bizarro cousin, Russo Logic)and it seems like everything that happens is blamed on him.

I seriously doubt anyone has that much power. Not HHH, not Bill Gates, not even whoever has the Cosmic Cube.

I have no opinion on whether or not it's true (I uhm, really don't CARE one way or the other) But how about we not blame every single thing on him. Some of it may be Vince or Steph's fault. . .maybe even Pat Patterson's.

AND let's not all assume that everyone on the board thinks of HHH as the Evil Overload of the WWE, pulling the strings from behind the scenes and building a race of atomic supermen to rule the world.




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Just a random thought - I'm not sure what good the WWF, er, WWE is expecting to do by posting this story on their website. While I do think that HHH actually gives a damn about the fed and the biz, I'm not sure that this is the best light to put it and him in. Also, rather than post stories about, "Yes, we know we've got some serious problems, and we're gonna work on them," how about deeds and not words? Keep consistently putting on good shows. Let the guys who're going to wrestle their asses off there go out and wrestle their asses off. Let the killer promo and comedy guys get their spots to do what they do best. Keep the "family business" in the family, guys.



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Look I'm not a fan backstage gossip either. But COME ON, this is the last guy who should be talking about 'stepping up'. Isn't this the same guy who in the last 4 months had 3 of the worst WWF/E main-events in recent memory. And his other match was a forgettable hell in a cell match that of course he won and like that's not enough he had to jump up and get in his steroid pose 5 seconds after that "brutal" battle... After his return HE's the one who should be ashamed, HE should embarrassed in being a complete shell of his former self. Where does he get the gull to comment on someone else. When HE's one of the biggest problems.

I'd love to know who he's talking to 'step up' Booker? Eddie or Benoit? maybe RVD, the same RVD who's more popular then him without the need to squash everyone in his path with the #1 baby face push and taking up 50 minutes every show... I know let's blame the Heat workers, that's right the guys who get paid a tenth (I'm actually being kind) of Triple H's salary and even less of that in TV time. Ya it's there fault, that's why the buildings are empty and TV numbers down. The Heat jobbers are the ones who need to step up, not the guy who's been making the main events of the Spring of 2002 unbearable to watch.

If Triple H or anyone else doesn't like people talking about him political games here's an idea, how about NOT SLEEPING WITH THE BOSSES DAUGHTER. It's pretty good advice for anyone in a workplace looking for respect from the peers not to sleep with management. And just like I get suspicious when a writer who is sleeping with her editor keeps getting the cover story. *I'm* suspicious of a broken down wrestlers who is not as good or as popular as his push would suggest. And you are really kidding yourself if you don't think other guys on that roster doesn't feel the same. How could you not! When a guy who is f-ing the bosses daughter on a regular bases is getting a push over you (rightfully or wrongfully), when you truly think you deserve it. How could you not be suspicious. For a guy who claims to wanting to be a leader when you do what he did it shows that you have no respect for your co-workers or the industry you claim to love.











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I don't see this being any different when JR made that "this ain't ballet, you know" comment on the Ross Report about the former WCW wrestler's speed and match pacing during the ECW/WCW Alliance angle last year. Of course WWE did blame the falure of that storyline on the talent involved as they were supposedly "not being big enough names" or "not being ready for prime time" or whatever, even though it was the crappy booking that ruined it all.

You know, maybe the reason why most of the talent backstage would rather play video and card games these days then try harder to steal the show everynight is because at the end of the day, no matter how hard they work or what they do, they are still not as important as the owner, or general manager, or co-owner, or CEO, or commissioner (real or fictional).

And by some chance you manage to get over enough to reach the main event, you'll most likely have your legs cut out from under... errrrr... be given "the rub" from the likes of Triple H, kind of like Jeff Hardy and Chris Jericho and Kurt Angle, all of whom experienced "elevation" from The Game himself.

Under those conditions, I'd probably stop caring and start to slack off too. Kind of hard to remain motivated to give it your best work when you wrestle for a company that keeps promoting the producers and figureheads (real and fictional) and the boyfriends of the head writer and the old "nostalgic acts" like Hogan and Undertaker as more important then you, even if they are the ones killing the ratings and live gate attendance.

Oh, and Triple H should be the LAST person to question the rest of the roster's work ethic, or ability to work or get over, as he's been having a hard time doing all of those things as of late. When the Women's Title match at KOTR is better then the main event match you were involved in, it might be time to look in the mirror, Hunter.

Bottom line, if WWE really wants to turn things around, they should stop blaming the talent for their problems on their website and continue to fix the real problems that plegue the company. Money talks, bullshit walks, period.



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#13 Posted on
So, now the WWF has gone out and had a part time, movie star employee make a speech on live televisio, talking about guys getting the F out. Now they have a guy that's sleeping with the boo's daughter tell them what's right and what's wrong. I'm sorry but, if this is what was going on at my workplace, I'd be giving these guys the finger too.



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Frankly, I don't see a problem with the WWE talent-- it's everything else that's going on. If last week's RAW was “bowling-shoe ugly” as JR put it (and to be honest, I enjoyed it), maybe instead of blaming the people who are only doing what they're told, they should blame the people who are telling them to do what they're doing.

With the exception of the Jackie-Trish match, that is.

Triple H and The Rock both need to “please... SHUT THE HELL UP!” in my opinion. Neither one of them has done much for the company recently, yet Triple H is bitching about people's work ethic while The Rock comes back from his multi-million-dollar movie and tells people to shape up or ship out.

Whatever.

Maybe if WWE spent more time pushing new, young stars rather than relying on The Rock and Triple H (and until recently, Steve Austin) all the time, we'd all be talking about how great WWE is instead of how much it needs to be improved.



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#15 Posted on
Okay. I'm going to repeat something I brought up a while back.

Triple H = SHIFT SUPERVISOR. No matter how he got there, whether anyone likes it or not, he appears to be one of the so-called "locker room leaders" that keep getting mentioned. He said something because there was a problem, and something needed to be said.

And the funny thing is? You'd all be bitching no matter WHICH "leader" it was.

Undertaker/Hogan? "Those no-selling political assholes have no right to give advice to people! Fuck their experience!"

Tommy Dreamer? "Who does he think he is, talking down to people more over/higher on the card than he is? He's got no right!"

Ric Flair? "He has no right, he should've hung it up years ago!"

The Rock? "Shut up, part-timer! Go make a cable-ready movie! You have no right!"

HHH isn't saying anything anyone else hasn't carped about all over the damn place, but because he's The Great Satan it's suddenly BAD and WRONG. Hell, if HHH came right out and said Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, and Eddie Guererro were the future, and laid down for them all at the same time, you'd just moan about his "transparent attempt to make himself look better to the smart fans".

Be happy someone said something that appeared to have an actual, visible effect for once and KWICHERBICHEN.

Bravo to HHH for stepping up to the damn plate and stirring some shit. If everyone's pissed off at him, at least they're not sitting around being apathetic. Somebody's got to be the asshole.



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Hunter is purportedly management, much like John Laur -- La -- Ace (sorry, CRZ) and Arn, so it makes perfect sense for him to be delivering a pep talk. But even if he weren't, it'd make sense for Taker or, before the recent ugliness, Austin to be doing so. They're respected locker-room veterans, so why not?



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My main problem is that the article made it sound like people were being yelled at by some guy who's no better than the rest. No one wrestler SHOULD have given that speech. Period. Where's Vince during all this crap? Isn't he supposed to be the boss? I honestly think it's time for the WWE to cut their losses and start cleaning some house. Start at the bottom and work their way up. ALL the way up to Big Show. I'm talkin' get rid of the Saturn's, the Kanyon's, the Holly's, all the guys that are already established and you aren't putting on tv and who are getting "man they should be pushed, wonder where they are?" in the Ross reports and send 'em packin'. Hell, half of 'em would get picked up by NWA and frankly, those guys on that show is fine with me. I'll get my Kanyon and Holly fix, there. Because, personally, I ain't changin' the channel until all the guys like Angle, Booker, Rock, Benoit, Jericho and RVD are gone. Period.

I think the problem is the WWE's got too much talent, with too little exposure and shows that focus on bringing in "remember this guy" things back, without any hype (because let's face it guys, more than half of those people in that live crowd on RAW didn't know who the hell Bischoff was, same thing with the WCW storyline last summer, they were brought in with little hype for the wrestlers and most fans didn't buy it becasue they didn't know who half of those guys were). It's time to get real and focus on their strongest asset, which is wrestling and storylines. Sure, neither have been great as of late, but, to be honest, they have the workers, if given the ring time and tv time to establish a REAL story, they could do it.

Personally, I'm just not buying Bischoff yet. Yes, I liked his promo. Yes, I am looking forward to see what they're doing with him. But, until they get it right, I'm not going to get all excited about it. Yes, I AM looking forward to Smackdown, but only after NWA and my Hall/Lawler, X Title, Jarrett Ladder matches. Period. When they changed the F to an E, they should ahve realized that they need to start capitilizing on things like an nWo, WCW and Eric Bischoff storyline.



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    Originally posted by WhoBettahThanDeion
    My main problem is that the article made it sound like people were being yelled at by some guy who's no better than the rest. No one wrestler SHOULD have given that speech. Period. Where's Vince during all this crap? Isn't he supposed to be the boss?


Vince runs the whole company, yes. But, this particular problem was pretty much talent-related. (Yes, I'm isolating this issue, because if they were discussing *everything*, writing included, they wouldn't have just gathered the wrestlers.) Vince shouldn't *have* to make speeches like this, that's what middle and lower management is for.

In situations involving the talent, the people who should've talked were the ones who did, the agents and the "leaders" so to speak. JR should've been there as well, but his absence may've been looked at as necessary to take some of the burden of off him, talent relations-wise, and shift a bit more responsibility onto the agents, who deal with them more closely.

Do I think HHH was, necessarily the best choice? God, no. As devoted to the business as he may or may not be, I hear people like Undertaker and Tommy Dreamer talked about a lot more as being "respected" backstage.

But one of them had to say something, because the agents may not've been enough. In a situation where the "rank and file" (in this case, the talent) is disgruntled, commands from on high from the "management" (the agents and, potentially, the office) could get looked at as oppression as much as suggestion. One of "the boys", and a respected one at that, saying that there're problems might carry more weight than the proverbial "straighten up" memo. Or, like I said earlier, he may just be playing lightning rod, getting people pissed off at him so they won't be as angry with the management. Somehow, I can't see him doing that, but this is all blue-sky speculation, in the end.



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    Originally posted by Enojado Viento
    I suppose there's no chance he could be, y'know REALLY concerned about business and morale, right?


Maybe he does, but that's not the problem. This seeems to put Triple H in a position where he is no longer "one of the boys", now he is management's right hand man. How would YOU feel if you went to work one day, and some guy you've been working with as an equal and a peer for years is suddenly standing before you and all of your coworkers trying to tell you why the company you work for is having problems and they're all your fault?


    originally posted by Nate the Snake
    And the funny thing is? You'd all be bitching no matter WHICH "leader" it was.


You're ight, but not for any of the reason's you mentioned. It's a problem because it puts one wrestler above all the rest. Though, if anything, Triple H should carry MORE responsibility than anyone else on the roster because since the shows starting going sour he has been the guy shows have been based around most often now that Austin's gone, Rock's hardly been here, and most other guys haven't really been main eventers. You call him a leader, I call him a coward who can't take responsibility and accountability when he should. And it's not just Triple H, I would say that about anyone who tried to give this "pep talk".



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