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Since: 12.1.02
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.01
According to my admittedly rapid research...

Maven is the first African-American to win the Hardcore Title on WWF television. K-Kwik won the belt at a couple of different non-televised house shows, but Maven's actually the first to win it on TV.

That just strikes me as sort of... I don't know... odd, don't you agree?



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#2 Posted on
Viscera won it for about 3 minutes at the Hardcore Battle Royal at Wrestlemania a couple years ago.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.01
Ah, forgot about Viscera. OK, first one to win it, other than in the Hardcore Battle Royal (featuring 11 title changes in 15 minutes... grrr!)

Thanks for the heads-up.



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Since: 21.1.02
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#4 Posted on
Guess we're even, cuz I didn't know Maven was black, lol. He is rather light skinned.

With all this exposure he's been getting though, this kid's ticket is made for about as long as he wants. All that was promised out of Tough Enough was a one year WWF contract, specifically developmental. I get a feeling Maven will last longer than that one year.



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Yeah, the kid's kind of a prodigy (at least in the view of a lot of the people backstage). But hey, he's got a healthy respect for the business, and he's by all accounts a really, really nice guy. And he has a dropkick that men kill for.

Aye, he's raw. But he's young, and just getting into the business. I think he'll be pretty good-- but the jury's definitely still out on him.

Either way, it makes for a very compelling storyline, I think.



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#6 Posted on
With Maven winning the Hardcore title last night I want the return of the 24/7 rule! It'd be a cool way to keep him on TV. Maybe turn him into the next Crash. Can you imagine MAVEN being the guy with the most title wins EVER!



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Since: 3.1.02
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#7 Posted on


    With all this exposure he's been getting though, this kid's ticket is made for about as long as he wants. All that was promised out of Tough Enough was a one year WWF contract, specifically developmental. I get a feeling Maven will last longer than that one year.



Perhaps. Or perhaps it's more than mere coincidence that his recent push arrived just as ads for Tough Enough 2 started popping up.

Maven = Mikey Whipwreck 2002. Where it goes from here should be interesting.




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#8 Posted on
Maybe it'll soon be time for his final exam, so to speak.

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I like the Maven angle. They're making it clear that he's not doing it on his own, that he gets continually lucky, and he actually cuts decent *Stars in the eyes* promos (probably because he really has them). In either case it's really entertaining, and the kid actually (more than any other green wrestler I've seen) has *gasp* psychology in the ring! Aggghhh!!!
Speaking of psychology, when does Rhyno get back, btw?



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Since: 4.1.02
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#10 Posted on
Isn't Tazz black?



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I thought Tazz had some Puerto Rican desent. Isn't 'Senerca' a spanish last name? Oh, he did make his pro wrestling debut in San Juan, Puerto
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#12 Posted on
Didn't Faarooq have the Hardcore title at some point... maybe Crash forgot to pay his APA bill?


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#13 Posted on
I thought Tazz had some Puerto Rican desent. Isn't 'Senerca' a spanish last name? Oh, he did make his pro wrestling debut in San Juan, Puerto
Rico...


I addressed this one on the old E-Z Board. But I always love to show of my New York Knowledge, so here goes again.

I'm about 85% sure Tazz is Italian. The other 14.5% is that he's Hispanic or multi-racial. The remaining .5% is that he's Black. Here's why:

Senerchia is probably an Italian name. It might be Hispanic. But remember also, Tazz's cousin is Chris Chetti, who is definitely Italian. Also, he looks a lot more Italian than Hispanic or Black, and has that very distinctive white-working class New York accent.

Tazz says he's from Red Hook. Click Here for a map of Red Hook. Ignore the star, that's just the inetersection I typed in.

Do you see the big highway running through a Penisula? That's the Gowanus Expressway. To the West and Southwest of that is Red Hook. You should even see a "Red Hook" marker there. That area is, to be somewhat politically incorrect, the ghetto. It's mostly Hispanic, but there are also Black and White populations. Artists and Yuppies are kind of starting to move in a little, but for the most part it's huge projects and slums. If Tazz were from that area, I'd think he was probably Puerto Rican.

BUT... The Gowanus expressway wasn't always there. And before it was built (in the 50s), and even for a little while afterward, the whole penisula was know as Red Hook, including the part currently known as Cobble Hill and Carroll Gardens (and is marked "South Brooklyn" on the map).
Today there are a lot of Yuppies, but when Tazz was growing up it was a tough, working-class Italian neighborhood. I'm pretty sure this is where Tazz is from. Today, nobody in Brooklyn would call this area "Red Hook." In fact, I don't think people would have called the area "Red Hook" when Tazz was growing up either, but "Red Hook" does sound (and is) a heck of a lot tougher than "Carroll Gardens."

I myself think Tazz should claim he's from "South Brooklyn," (not to be confused with Southern Brooklyn) which both sounds tough and is true (if my theory on him is correct).

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#14 Posted on
If I remember the story I heard correctly, when Ron Simmons first came to ECW, he started peppering Tazz (with one z then) with questions about how the black guys were treated in the locker room there. Tazz kept responding with "Um, I wouldn't know" and the communication gap was continued for some time...





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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00

    Originally posted by MoeGates
    Tazz says he's from Red Hook. Click Here for a map of Red Hook.

Just like the Undertaker says he's REALLY from Death Valley and Cactus Jack says he's REALLY from Truth or Consequences, N.M.



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#16 Posted on
You know, I asked the Rick a while ago if Tazz was really from Red Hook but he never answered.

I would say that Tazz saying he's from Red Hook isn't completely out of the blue. If he wants to do the "tough guy from New York" gimmick, there are a lot of better know tough hoods out there. Why not say he's from the South Bronx, or Harlem, or Bed-Stuy? People are going to recognize those neighborhoods a lot more than Red Hook.

He could also just say he's from Brooklyn (actually I'd go with the Bronx now, as the borough of churches isn't quite what it used to be) and play the gimmick the same.

I guess my point is that the gimmick really doesn't need "Red Hook" specifically, and the fact that Tazz pushes that makes me think there is some kind of connection.

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#17 Posted on
Well, Maven is about as black as NHL scoring leader (occationally) Jarome Iginla... Hey, isn't Iginla the first-ever African-American to lead the NHL in scoring? Weird, huh? Go Maven! And Viscera don't count, because Maven won the title on FREE TV, and people actually care about Maven.

WHAT ABOUT MAVEN?



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Since: 20.1.02
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#18 Posted on
On Heat and Byte This, Tazz talks about the "old country." I believe it was Kevin Kelly who asked him what the old country was. Tazz said that it was "It-ly." I'm pretty sure he's Italian.

I'd like to see this lead to the hardcore title being fun again. Al Snow, Road Dogg, Crash and Blackman were all great as Hardcore champions. Al Snow had his bowling ball to the balls shot and his great match against four Mexican midgets who used mini ladders and salad tongs to the balls (hmm... I guess Foley would say something about all the ball humor)... Blackman was really only believably lethal when he was allowed to use his weapons, and Crash's 24 hour defense rule was hilarious. I definitely enjoyed Road Dogg better as a hardcore wrestler (especially in the NAO v. Foley/Funk)...

The point is, when those guys wrestled hardcore, it wasn't boring. Raven almost brought back the fun to these otherwise garbage matches, but lately hardcore has been lame. I'm not saying that Maven would be the best person to revive this division, BUT a fued with Snow in his corner or AGAINST Snow might liven things up. Of course, all of this will have to happen when the feds are split, since there isn't really enough room on TV for this sort of development right now.
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#19 Posted on
Raven v. Maven the Ultimate feud for the hardcore title.

And I'd love to hear J.R. call that match.



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Since: 6.1.02
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#20 Posted on
I think Maven will be perfectly set up for the worlds easiest heel turn (and maybe even a double turn with Taker) in a little but. As soon as the fans get a little tired of him, have him get an ego about being the Tough Enough winner (there's really a million different ways this can go) and the possibilities are endless.

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