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A couple weeks ago, when Hezbollah grabbed the Israeli soldiers and Israel attacked into southern Lebanon, I got to thinking - what kind of stuff has happened over the years to immediately make people like me blame the ones who are Muslims and not the Israeli Jews (much less random Christians, Agnostics and others of various persuasions in these countries.

Now, I know many of you probably don't believe this, but I don't read Ann Coulter much. I often agree with here in principle when I do, but feel she is often too dividing, too strident. I think there's a line in the sand to be drawn, but I also think you can draw it to close and too "in your face". She usually does that.

That being said, her column this week (which will probably switch to a archive link, according to the way the site seemed to work after a few days, so if you're looking for this later, try the archive link on the site) is about democrats and so on- blah blah blah, but then she lists a series of attacks by Muslim extremists on (mostly) US interests over 22 years, beginning with the Tehran kidnappings and ending with 9/11.

A few from the start - you can read the rest if you want....

November 1979: Muslim extremists (Iranian variety) seized the U.S. embassy in Iran and held 52 American hostages for 444 days, following Democrat Jimmy Carter's masterful foreign policy granting Islamic fanaticism its first real foothold in the Middle East.

1982: Muslim extremists (mostly Hezbollah) began a nearly decade-long habit of taking Americans and Europeans hostage in Lebanon, killing William Buckley and holding Terry Anderson for 6 1/2 years.

April 1983: Muslim extremists (Islamic Jihad or possibly Hezbollah) bombed the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, killing 16 Americans.

October 1983: Muslim extremists (Hezbollah) blew up the U.S. Marine barracks at the Beirut airport, killing 241 Marines.

December 1983: Muslim extremists (al-Dawa) blew up the U.S. Embassy in Kuwait, killing five and injuring 80.

I was struck with this litany - and started thinking a couple things out.

1. I wonder if there has been any group this actively opposed to the US government by violence since the so-called Indian Wars of the late 19th Century?

2. The only other conflict involving members of the same religious group I could think of in the last couple hundred years on this scale was the Catholic/Protestant conflict in Northern Ireland - Does anyone know about how long the terror and fighting went on in that?

You really have to go back to a preindustrial time to find anything else on this scale - closest might be the ongoing fight between Muslim Pakistanis and Hindu and Sikh Indians. Heck, even within Indian society between Sikhs and Hindus. But not on this scale.

Other than McVeigh and Oklahoma City, are there any other terrorist acts against the US during that period that were NOT perpetrated by Muslim extremists?



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    Originally posted by AWArulz
    Other than McVeigh and Oklahoma City, are there any other terrorist acts against the US during that period that were NOT perpetrated by Muslim extremists?



    (edited by AWArulz on 1.8.06 0956)

I guess it depends on how you define terror attacks. I might count the abortion clinic bombings, as they were designed to cause terror in a larger population, and were driven by religious fanaticism to boot. Also, weren't the anthrax mailings done by some sort of anti-abortion group? I thought I remembered that but I am not sure.



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    Other than McVeigh and Oklahoma City, are there any other terrorist acts against the US during that period that were NOT perpetrated by Muslim extremists?


Off the top of my head:

-What spf said
-The Unabomber
-Olympic Park, Atlanta-- not to mention the other bombs that Eric Rudolph set off elsewhere.
-The fact that there was a bomb under Columbine High, plus what was actually done without the bomb going off.

And those were just the things that were in the news more than a day. Just google up "domestic terrorism" and you'll get more than what you need for instances.




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    Originally posted by spf
    I guess it depends on how you define terror attacks. I might count the abortion clinic bombings, as they were designed to cause terror in a larger population, and were driven by religious fanaticism to boot.


Yep, I'd agree with that - and I think the bombings in Birmingham and at Olympic parks were from the same "group" - shoot, I think you could almost file that in the McVeigh file as well. All of them Christian Identity (white Supremists), all of them willing to use violence to get their own ends, ends defined by their own skewed version of their religion - not a whole lot different than the guys on that list.

    Originally posted by spf

    Also, weren't the anthrax mailings done by some sort of anti-abortion group?


I looked that up - no one has really been charged or even seriously suspected (other than that scientist guy Hatfill). None of the conspiricy theorists tag abortion protestors as the probables - most of them choose either Hatfill or a muslim extermist


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    -The Unabomber
    -Olympic Park, Atlanta-- not to mention the other bombs that Eric Rudolph set off elsewhere.
    -The fact that there was a bomb under Columbine High, plus what was actually done without the bomb going off.


The Unabomber - I can accept that. Not religious, certainly. And basically a one man show.

The various school shootings, including Columbine, I guess applies, It certainly struck terror into us parents.



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With periods of relative peace in between, "The Conflict" in Ireland dates back to around WWI. There were problems dating back for centuries, especially under Henry VIII and his anti-catholic destruction and Oliver Cromwell and his ilk. But much of the history was the English mistreating the populace and the Irish just trying to survive. The conflict really heated up in the 1960's.

I would put the enmity between the US and the USSR on that scale though we mostly used proxies.



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    Originally posted by AWArulz
    I looked that up - no one has really been charged or even seriously suspected (other than that scientist guy Hatfill). None of the conspiricy theorists tag abortion protestors as the probables - most of them choose either Hatfill or a muslim extermist

Cool. I couldn't remember, and was afraid of going on Wiki for fear I'd waste another 3 hours looking up useless shit like how magicians levitate. I hate that damn site!! :)



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    I would put the enmity between the US and the USSR on that scale though we mostly used proxies.


But, Doc, I don't think you can compare two states in conflict with a state and an entity that is not part of a state or spans multiple state - even communism was almost always a state thing, at least after initial revolutions in countries.



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    Originally posted by AWArulz
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      I would put the enmity between the US and the USSR on that scale though we mostly used proxies.


    But, Doc, I don't think you can compare two states in conflict with a state and an entity that is not part of a state or spans multiple state - even communism was almost always a state thing, at least after initial revolutions in countries.

I would say that in this post Cold War and multi-natioanal technologically linked world that the concept of the state is a weakened one, and no longer the sole mechanism for change, rule, or conflict. I feel like the era of state-based conflict is already on the wane. You will see movements, sometimes based primarily in one state, and states using multi-national clients as proxies, but outside of India/Pakistan and the N. Korea vs. the world conflict, most of the major issues are not state/state fights anymore.



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