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RKMtwin
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#1 Posted on
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The nWo's arrival in the WWF may not have anything to do with Mr.McMahon injecting a poison at all. Rather, it's his last resort to trying to recapture a WWF that was once under his control. Consider this--

There have been three major epochs since Vince Jr. took over the WWF-- Rock n' Wrestling (and its post-Rock n' Wrestling era), The New Generation, and Attitude. What sets Attitude apart from the other two is the fact that, while stars such as Austin, Rock, and Triple H have become popular due to the fans' response during the Attitude era, the biggest wrestlers in the R-n-W era and the New Generation were the stars that Mr.McMahon wanted us to cheer. Among these wrestlers were men like The Ultimate Warrior, Bret Hart and HBK (before their revolts against McMahon in 1997), a babyface Randy Savage, and of course, Hulk Hogan, Razor Ramon, and Big Daddy Cool Diesel

Since 1997, Steve Austin, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, The Rock, and Triple H have all, in their own way, defined what the WWF Attitude is all about. These five in question cast aside Mr.McMahon's ambitions and became, for the most part, exactly who they wanted to be. Regardless of who remains, their legacies are rooted in a renegade philosophy when it comes to earning the fans' respect. As opposed to VKM's vision of baby-kissing goody goodies who we ought to cheer (i.e. Kurt Angle-- who Vince probably feels is the response to the likes of HHH, Rock and Austin), a begrudging respect is earned, not given, and not sold, in their eyes.

The fans recognized it. They began to chant for Austin and threw crotch chops. They booed Americans in Canada when Bret was wronged. They began liking a Rock who stopped being a Blue-Chipper puppet. Cactus Jack was cheered by 20,000 strong in MSG as he piledrived Hunter through a table.
Badd Blood ran cold when the Undertaker destroyed Shawn Michaels in perhaps the most vile match in WWF history-- Hell in a Cell.

Vinny Mac lost control of his empire.

In order to regain the WWF he once knew, loved, and controlled, Vince has had to call upon the three saviors of the two previous WWF eras who have not turned on him and have not been around long enough to understand VKM's corrupt nature-- Hogan (Rock n' Wrestling), and Scott Hall and Kevin Nash (New Generation).

The fourth chapter in the history of the Vince Jr.-owned WWF has just begun.
It is a civil war of WWF ideologies. Old versus New.

Who will survive?



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#2 Posted on
The SmarKow Says:

I don't know, but hearing the Rock and Blue-Chipper puppet in the same sentence is hilarious to me.



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    In order to regain the WWF he once knew, loved, and controlled, Vince has had to call upon the three saviors of the two previous WWF eras who have not turned on him and have not been around long enough to understand VKM's corrupt nature-- Hogan (Rock n' Wrestling), and Scott Hall and Kevin Nash (New Generation).




Yeeeah, I just watched an AWA tape from 1986 with "New Generation" Scott Hall and Curt Hennig as tag champions.

That's new generation for ya.



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That's... interesting, me thinks.

Though I fail to see how the Outsiders are "New Generation" superstars.
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But with your whole idea, it could work. Vince McMahon had been slowly losing control of the WWF since late 1995 with Diesel's speech the night after Survivor Series '95. Slowly he loses more control, the wrestlers start blaming him for everything (esp. Bret Hart),and WCW is kicking his ass in the ratings. So Vince screws Bret Hart out of the title in an attempt to regain control, but months later Stone Cold becomes champion. All his attempts to combat the Attitude era has failed (The Rock turns from Corporate Champ to the People's Champ; Triple H turns on the McMahon family and dumps his daughter; Stone Cold does become a coproate kiss-ass for a while, but turns on the WWF and is now back to being the old beer-swilling redneck character).

The only two problems with the idea is that Kevin Nash/Diesel was really making life miserable for Vince McMahon at the end (remember IYH: Good Friends, Better Enemies?), so Big Daddy Cool wasn't exactly doing what Vince wanted. Second, you don't make a big deal about the nWo being a "poison" to the WWF, and then after one big strike on RAW turn them into just another heel stable.

Finally, of course we're assuming the WWF is putting any thought into the shows these days, considering the rather weak product they've been putting out for months now. And if they actually ARE putting thought into it, then that's just sad....

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#6 Posted on
A couple of things I want to point out here--

1) "The New Generation" is the tag given to the WWF's stars from roughly around 1994 (give or take a few months) to early 1997. They used this tag extensively on just about everything they aired, promoted, etc (Look at your mid-90's WWF tapes). It makes me laugh too, that the New Generation included new fresh talent such as Jake "The Snake" Roberts and King Kong Bundy. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

2) When it comes to "Good Friends, Better Enemies" (an event I actually liked a lot, except for the Ulimate Warrior-Goldust match), perhaps what we could look at, according to this KAYFABE scenario, is that, even in "The New Generation" (the WWF's tag, NOT MINE), cracks in the foundation of Vince's power were apparent, i.e. Diesel before he left and Good Ol' JR cutting on Vince every chance he got during a certain period 0f 1996-1997.

Thanks for the feedback!

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#7 Posted on
The problem with all of this is it *assumes* that McMahon does not like the Attitude wrestling and wrestlers and is being forced to go that way. I have always seen it this way: whatever he can do to promote his business and make money, he is going to do it. He is in the entertainment business, so if it sells, you do it, period. McMahon will like anything so long as it sells. Hell I've always thought *HE* will be the one putting on Mad Max/end of the world real-life gladiator matches if our society ever makes it that far.

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#8 Posted on
Yeah, but remember...it is a damned good theory. Vince needs control, but when people cheer the people he wants 'em to boo (and visa versa), everything is screwed up. So, he brings in three EVIL guys to reswing the balance.



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#9 Posted on

    When it comes to "Good Friends, Better Enemies" (an event I actually liked a lot, except for the Ulimate Warrior-Goldust match), perhaps what we could look at, according to this KAYFABE scenario, is that, even in "The New Generation" (the WWF's tag, NOT MINE), cracks in the foundation of Vince's power were apparent, i.e. Diesel before he left and Good Ol' JR cutting on Vince every chance he got during a certain period 0f 1996-1997.

    Thanks for the feedback!



Well Good Friends, Better Enemies to me is a 1 match show (and the Warrior-Goldust match sure leads to prove the theory that there is no God).

As for the scenario, the problem still is that Diesel did turn on him, and was the first to vocally turn on him on the November RAW in '95. So Vince calling on him would be kinda stupid. It works in the case of Hogan and Hall who both left the WWF as faces, but not in Nash's case who in his last night beat the shit out of HBK just to piss Vince off (but damn did that match rule). Still this idea for the angle would work much better then what's being shoved down our throats as we speak.

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#10 Posted on
Just wanted to chime back in to everyone who's posted and/or read (And thank you again for all the views and responses-- I'm a newbie so it means a lot. Rock on all!). I'm actually extremely disappointed with what the WWF is doing right now.

It really REALLY makes me scratch my head that we're within one week for WrestleMania and I'm not too excited by it. Keep this in mind-- ONE WEEK AWAY! And what have we all seen so far?

Not much.

The nWo is merely a faction at this point! And as for the points brought up about, I just think it sucks that I have to agree with all of you. No! Of course I'm not saying you guys do, but it sucks that here it is, we ARE ONE WEEK AWAY and WE ARE NOT ENTHUSED, WWF! Why not delve into the pasts of these guys? Give a context for newer viewers who have no clue as to what's going on! Provide some historical context about the nWo so all of us hardcore longtime fans don't feel so F#CKING alienated! Yeah, I know VKM's gotta answer to stockholders and so on and so forth, as far as the product's concerned, but for the love of all that is decent-- stop insulting OUR intelligence! Start paying attention to details, and for goodness' sake, write better scripts, have better ring action and make a g*ddamned product that's exciting!!!! IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK?! We're all mat fans here, and we want to be amused. That's the whole point, Vince and Company. I mean, good friggin' grief! No build for the WM undercard. I have no goosebumps for the main event matches! Last year at this time, Rock-Austin looked compelling because the WWF tried its damndest to make it seem compelling. What? Does the WWF NOT believe in their product enough? Remember-- YOU make us cheer for exactly what we do or don't want to, but either way, WWF, YOU have that control.
Hello?

(That was the smark in me speaking. This is what my casual mark side would be saying right about now--)

So... what's the big friggin' deal about these three old guys anyway?

And as Dusty Rhodes would probably say right now--

Daddy-doll, (heave) hayand that bukkut o' chikunn ova' heeyuh... if you wheel. Th' Uh-mawcunn Dweem-- foamuh Eyen Dubbyuh-A Wuuldth Chyempyun, (heave) foamuh You-Eth Chyempyun, (heave) creatuh uv Waah Gaymth (heave)-- ith hungreh raht now, bruthu! An' hayand me thothe byth-kutth, too! Grab th' buttuhmylk (heave) and we goan git grubbun heeyuh thoon! AHEE-HEE! He hittum wyith uh toylitt liyid!!!



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