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- Somebody forget to tell Carol Mosley Braun that the American people have never elected a president...

- I'm sick and tired of this Vietnam shit. Vietnam was a disaster insofar as we were there for 12 years. Iraq isn't even a quagmire yet. We have lost 300 or so people in Iraq. Is that too many? Sure. But that was a normal day coming out of Saigon at some points...

- It's amazing how the antiwar Dean went from "get out of Iraq" to "we can't leave" when he became the frontrunner.

- Kerry's answer on Iraq was unintelligible.

- Brit Hume said "known and respected journalists." Who the hell is Farai Chideya?

- I do like Kucinich's attitute in no holds barred on his positions. He's a fruitcake, but a relatively(except for abortion) genuine fruitcake.

- The Iraqi oil profits are for Iraq. Graham has a hardon for Halliburton. Besides, how much of Iraq did we destroy in a war we allegedly started? The place was a shithole thanks to Hussein before we ever got there.

- Is Graham dyslexic? I'm being serious here, his reading was rough.

- Question: "Should Iraqi oil pay to rebuild Iraq":"We need help from the International Coalition"- Gephardt.

- "Miserable failure" is the DNC's tagline of the week.

Oh the hell with this. Why should I even bother? This is going to be a replay of the New Mexico debate, except Reverend Al is there. It's not going to make a difference yet, nobody is paying attention at this point anyway.

- Well, I don't know what the disturbance during Graham's remarks(8:22 pm EDT) was but that was...special.

(edited by Grimis on 9.9.03 2024)

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I could only about to take 10 minutes before I gave up and switch to the Sox game. Everyone was just saying the same damn thing you hear them say every day.

(edited by calvinh0560 on 9.9.03 2134)
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This isn't a debate, it's a chance for 9 people to attack Bush without anyone to rebut. Honestly, what a waste of time this was, and by the way, does John Kerry think he has a future on late night TV? Repeating Jay Leno style political jokes is not going to win him the election. Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen *anyone* confront Dean on what he said about the Israeli-Palestinian crisis.
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While occassionally flipping from the Sox game, I did come across one of the Lyndon Larouche supporters causing a disturbance and Sharpton getting pissed off, muttering why they don't do that during Republican debates (hint, there's only one person running), and saying if security couldn't shut people up his National Action Network brothers (his word, not mine), could do the job. This of course led to Lieberman and Sharpton having a little fun banter with each other.
The irony of course is Sharpton getting pissed about people making a disturbance. Isn't that how Rev. Al spends most of his time?



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Incidentally, here are the answers to the favorite songs question:

Former Sen. Carol Moseley Braun -- "You Gotta Be," Des'ree.

Al Sharpton -- "Talking Loud, Saying Nothing," James Brown. He called it "James Brown's song about the Republican Party."He is a friend of James Brown's afterall

Sen. John Edwards -- "Small Town," John Mellencamp.

Sen. John Kerry -- "No Surrender," Bruce Springsteen.

Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean -- "Jaspora," Wyclef Jean.
The fuck? Is he always this blatant about race baiting?

Sen. Joe Lieberman --"Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow," Fleetwood Mac; "My Way," Frank Sinatra. Hi, I ran with Gore, and am blatantly shilling the fact that you like Bill Clinton

Rep. Dennis Kucinich -- "Imagine," John Lennon. Because Kucinich has communist tendencies
Rep. Dick Gephardt -- "Born in the USA," Bruce Springsteen.


Sen. Bob Graham -- "Changes in Latitudes, Changes in Attitudes," Jimmy Buffett. Graham is friends with Buffet




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    Originally posted by Grimis
    Al Sharpton -- "Talking Loud, Saying Nothing," James Brown. He called it "James Brown's song about the Republican Party." He is a friend of James Brown's afterall
James Brown voted for Nixon!



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.28
    Originally posted by Grimis
    Incidentally, here are the answers to the favorite songs question:

    Former Sen. Carol Moseley Braun -- "You Gotta Be," Des'ree.

    Al Sharpton -- "Talking Loud, Saying Nothing," James Brown. He called it "James Brown's song about the Republican Party."He is a friend of James Brown's afterall

    Sen. John Edwards -- "Small Town," John Mellencamp.

    Sen. John Kerry -- "No Surrender," Bruce Springsteen.

    Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean -- "Jaspora," Wyclef Jean.
    The fuck? Is he always this blatant about race baiting?

    Sen. Joe Lieberman --"Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow," Fleetwood Mac; "My Way," Frank Sinatra. Hi, I ran with Gore, and am blatantly shilling the fact that you like Bill Clinton

    Rep. Dennis Kucinich -- "Imagine," John Lennon. Because Kucinich has communist tendencies
    Rep. Dick Gephardt -- "Born in the USA," Bruce Springsteen.


    Sen. Bob Graham -- "Changes in Latitudes, Changes in Attitudes," Jimmy Buffett. Graham is friends with Buffet



You've got a lot of chutzpah accusing the Democratic Party of being the ones always playing the race card. You bring up "blatant race-baiting" in a question about the candidates FUCKING FAVORITE SONG. Maybe the next Democratic candidate to have a bagel for breakfast you can accuse of pandering to the Jewish vote.

A) you really think your average black guy - or any guy - is going to go "you know, I wasn't sure who to vote for, but now I might go for that guy who likes Wyclef - and B) A guy can't just like Wyclef? This is so hard to believe?

I almost vomited when Kucinich said "Imagine." Trust me, having been raised by two of them, I hate old hippies more than any of you right-wing guys on the board.

I was heartened by the two votes for Bruce though. My favorite Bruce song myself is either "Thunder Road" or "Lost in the Flood."

(edited by MoeGates on 10.9.03 2112)


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Associated Press interview with Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA), 04-07-2003.
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If one of the candidates had put an NWA track as their favourite song, I would've voted for them just out of my love of irony (and I know I'm not American, but it's a metaphor).


    It's amazing how the antiwar Dean went from "get out of Iraq" to "we can't leave" when he became the frontrunner.


Things have gotten so bad now that a US clean break would only cause more problems than it would solve.



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#9 Posted on
There was no going back after the first shot was fired. And especially not after 'Misson Accomplished'.

Anyway, has Dean been saying "Get out of Iraq"? I thought he was just saying "We should've never gone into Irag".

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I didn't think Black people listened to Wyclef.



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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    If one of the candidates had put an NWA track as their favourite song, I would've voted for them just out of my love of irony (and I know I'm not American, but it's a metaphor).


      It's amazing how the antiwar Dean went from "get out of Iraq" to "we can't leave" when he became the frontrunner.


    Things have gotten so bad now that a US clean break would only cause more problems than it would solve.


Do you have any basis for what you're saying, here? Did you expect Iraq to become peaceful, free, and propserous overnight? Or do you think we simply should have left Hussein in power? Things have not gotten bad at all; things have gone from horrific to chaotic. Rome wasn't built in a day, you know.



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    Originally posted by MoeGates
    You've got a lot of chutzpah accusing the Democratic Party of being the ones always playing the race card. You bring up "blatant race-baiting" in a question about the candidates FUCKING FAVORITE SONG. Maybe the next Democratic candidate to have a bagel for breakfast you can accuse of pandering to the Jewish vote.

Speaking of the song, here are the lyrics. What the hell does any of it mean?

Andrew Sullivan: I'm sure Joe Lieberman would love to find out what "Yo pa respekte Izrayl" might mean.




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    Originally posted by Grimis
      Originally posted by MoeGates
      You've got a lot of chutzpah accusing the Democratic Party of being the ones always playing the race card. You bring up "blatant race-baiting" in a question about the candidates FUCKING FAVORITE SONG. Maybe the next Democratic candidate to have a bagel for breakfast you can accuse of pandering to the Jewish vote.

    Speaking of the song, here are the lyrics. What the hell does any of it mean?

    Andrew Sullivan: I'm sure Joe Lieberman would love to find out what "Yo pa respekte Izrayl" might mean.



So, Andrew Sullivan sees the word "Israel" and decides the song must be anti-Semetic. You cut and copy it here, and neither of you can figure out any way to figure out "what the hell any of it means". There's an awesome website called Google. Check it out sometime.

The lyrics of Wyclef "Worked With Bob Dylan And Kenny Rogers - Doesn't Only Appeal To Black People" Jean's "Jaspora", translated to English:

"Ever since I was little, I left Haiti
There's some that went to Brooklyn there's some that went to Miami
Why do Jamaicans always say they are Jamaicans,
But Haitians are afraid to say they are Haitians?
Why? Are you scared to say your name is Samuel?
Why? Are you scared to say you're with Israel?
Why? Every night you are sleeping with Jezebel!
You're scared to say Haitian girls are beautiful!
Beautiful girls are beautiful...


I respect your name just like I respect the angel Gabriel
Here, Diaspora men want to take you to hotels,
Start talking English, turning to playboy channel
They do not respect Israel.


Diaspora do not respect Diaspora
If you are a Diaspora I am going to give you to sharks
Diaspora do not respect Diaspora
If you are a Diaspora tonight we're going to disarm you

Diaspora ha ha o, put your hands up!
I am going to take them and throw them in prison
I will make them know who is Toussaint
I will make them know who is Dessalines
After, we will let them go and send them back to Brooklyn
So he could go to his mother who is cooking in the kitchen
His mom looked at him and said "Man, you've changed"
She said I changed because I am Haitian
They taught me a lesson, they put me in prison.


I see Diaspora women and Diaspora men
There are people who are not going to make it because they will sleep with the fishes
They lost their knowledge just like a priest without religion

Diaspora do not respect Diaspora
If you are a Diaspora I am going to give you to sharks
Diaspora do not respect Diaspora
If you are a Diaspora tonight were going to disarm you

Port-au-Prince do not respect Diaspora again
Men Flatbush do not respect Diaspora
Men Canada do not respect Diaspora
Men Miami do not respect Diaspora"

Sorry to disappoint you.

(edited by OlFuzzyBastard on 11.9.03 1244)


"These are the same arguments, the precise same arguments that were being made before the war. Its going to be a quagmire. What is the plan? When do we get out? How much is it going to cost? Someone in the military might get his hair mussed. We heard all these arguments."
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Diaspora noun: 1 capitalized a : the settling of scattered colonies of Jews outside Palestine after the Babylonian exile b : the area outside Palestine settled by Jews c : the Jews living outside Palestine or modern Israel
2 a : the breaking up and scattering of a people : MIGRATION b : people settled far from their ancestral homelands [African diaspora] c : the place where these people live .


Now can somebody please tell me what this has to do with presidential politics?


EDIT: More lyric fodder.

(edited by Grimis on 11.9.03 1642)

(edited by Grimis on 11.9.03 2209)

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It's not just related to forced Jewish relocation, but African as well.

Dread History: The African Diaspora, Ethiopianism, and Rastafari

Interestingly enough, "African diaspora" and "black diaspora to nothern cities" were referenced in the definition you provided above, but for some reason not included in the your post. You may want to remove the < > around them.

Not accusing, just suggesting....



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Now can somebody please tell me what this has to do with presidential politics?

Everyone else's point is that this doesn't have to do with anything more than a guy's favorite song. You're the one who made a thread out of the candidates answers to the favorite song question, along with your own speculation as to the political nature of said answers.



"I'm sorry, I didn't think I was going to talk about 'man on dog' with a United States Senator. It's sort of freaking me out."


Associated Press interview with Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA), 04-07-2003.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
Well, I think I've found the answer. If the song, like it seems to, is againstthe diaspora and the assimilation of Haitians into American society, isn't that then promoting racial seperatism.

Oh who the hell knows. Maybe Dean just made another stupid statement in doing so...



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Or maybe he just likes the song. Nobody called Ronald Reagan a hippy peacenik despite using an anti-vietnam war song as his campaign theme. Stop trying to play weird gotcha games withwhat song Howard Dean likes. I'd bet you not one person out of a 1000 could name you Howard Dean's favorite song right now anyway, so what the hell does it matter.



"I'm sorry, I didn't think I was going to talk about 'man on dog' with a United States Senator. It's sort of freaking me out."


Associated Press interview with Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA), 04-07-2003.
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