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#21 Posted on
    Originally posted by lotjx
      Originally posted by Amos Cochran
      SOCIAL NETWORK's script blew TRUE GRIT's away, and I say that as a lifelong Coen fan. It takes something spcial to make a group of nerds squabbling into an energetic, grippping drama. And FIncher deserved that statuette.



    Big Bang Theory does that every Thursday Night.


Yeah comparing Aaron Sorkin to the writers of Big Bang Theory (and I love that show) is a massive FAIL.

    Originally posted by lotjx
    Also, Social Network the book is a hit job on the Facebook owner. There is not a lot of truth if any in that book. If it was a work of fiction then I would be ok with yet, its supposedly based on a true story even though the motive behind facebook was not to score with women as much as it was to make money as well see if it would work.


Besides the book, most of the film's script is based on depositions from the various court cases. A lot of people misunderstand the film. It is a bit of a cross between Rashômon and Citizen Kane, with events dramatized based on the perspectives and testimony of a variety of participants and some of that recollection was obviously self-serving and possibly less than truthful.

If by the "scoring with girls" part you mean the mooning over the ex-girlfriend part that was Sorkin adding a Citizen Kane spin to the film to give it some emotional depth.

    Originally posted by lotjx
    True Grit is a great book and they did a great job of adapting it to the big screen even with the original one staring at them.


I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    Originally posted by lotjx
    Braveheart is one of those great movies where even if is about 3 hours long, it doesn't feel that way.



That would be number two.

    Originally posted by lotjx
    Even though I liked King's Speech, True Grit, Black Swan and Inception, I don't know if any of them had the emotional core or the scope of Braveheart.


Hard to argue with a personal opinion, but I disagree with that statement in the strongest possible terms.

    Originally posted by lotjx
    Plus, the Kids are All Right was PC trash.


Troll-Bait.

Clearly untrue.

I will argue the merits of The Kids Are All Right anywhere and with anyone... except trolls.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.59
    Originally posted by Mr Shh
      Originally posted by hansen9j
        Originally posted by ekedolphin
        By the way, I can't wait to see Natalie Portman inducted into the Conan Academy Award Winner F-Bomb Hall of Fame.
      You'll be waiting a while. It was Melissa Leo that swore.

    Natalie Portman appears on Conan and drops the F-bomb: induction.

    Melissa Leo appears on Conan and does not drop the F-bomb: no induction.
Ohhhhhh. I misunderstood. They also need a Conan Academy Award Winner F-Bomb Hall of Fame II, for people that drop F-Bombs as they win.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
Pretentious British shit wins again!
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.83
Have you seen it? It's really not pretentious at all. It's about as populist as Academy fare gets these days.
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.47
Trent Reznor has an Oscar.

I need a minute here.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.43
I guess I'm the only one who thinks The West Wing was an overrated piece of CRAP.
Same for the Social Network. Its a marginally ok movie. If it were about anything OTHER than Facebook , nobody would have given two shits about it.
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.82
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    I guess I'm the only one who thinks The West Wing was an overrated piece of CRAP.
    Same for the Social Network. Its a marginally ok movie. If it were about anything OTHER than Facebook , nobody would have given two shits about it.
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...you know, this really deserves its own thread. Never mind.



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.17
    Originally posted by StaggerLee

    Same for the Social Network. Its a marginally ok movie. If it were about anything OTHER than Facebook , nobody would have given two shits about it.

On the other hand, I wonder how many people would've gone to see it if it hadn't been plugged as "the Facebook movie," which I'm sure turned a number of people off immediately (myself included).
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.59
    Originally posted by geemoney
      Originally posted by StaggerLee

      Same for the Social Network. Its a marginally ok movie. If it were about anything OTHER than Facebook , nobody would have given two shits about it.

    On the other hand, I wonder how many people would've gone to see it if it hadn't been plugged as "the Facebook movie," which I'm sure turned a number of people off immediately (myself included).


Its a three edge sword where there is the anti-facebook side, the pro-facebook side and the average movie goer in between. I would say to some of Llakor's criticism that Braveheart had people crying in their seats at the end and was as broad as a story one could tell in this day and age. After seeing the films, you mentioned minus the old lady screaming at everything during True Grit, most people left either pleased like True Grit, King's Speech and Inception or dazed after Black Swan. Inception did have everyone at the edge of their seats with the top. To be honest, I already stated Inception would have been my pick, but I am cool with King's Speech winning.

To me, the wity back and forth has been overdone. It was cool back in the 90s when it was West Wing and Buffy doing it, but now everyone has some form of fast talk speak. The worst example is Smallville where no character can't go three lines without a pulp culture reference. Sorkin like Kevin Smith has had unique writing trait become a part of culture for better or worse. I like the style, but again its nothing new. I actually found True Grit to be more interesting use of language due to how its no longer used anymore. BBT is a great show and To be fair, I think comedy is harder then drama.

As for the Kids are Allright. I know me and CRZ don't agree on everything, but even we agree that was not a good pick. And I am all for gay couples adopting and kids reaching out to their long lost parents in the test tube variety. Yet, this was utter trash. I also doubt anyone realized it was up for the award. The Academy going 10 films deep is going to keep pulling in movies that appeal to a certain member of society even if they are not good. The gay block is big even if it wasn't Hollywood, so we are going to see more gay friendlier movies being picked that won't even be nominated. Same goes for Sci-fi, fantasy, indy and Western films. Its all about reaching out to the demographics even though this year's Oscars' ratings were down 7%. They will keep doing it even if logic says otherwise.

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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.43
King's Speech isn't pretentious British shit any more than, I dunno, Shaun of the Dead is. I mean it is certainly British. The king of England is a humiliated schlub, the queen is a cheeky bird, he spends the whole movie getting zinged by his teacherpal, and his moment of triumph is shouting a string of profanities. It's awards baity but it's not tiresome historical melodrama.

I liked Inception, Black Swan, SocNet, Greenberg, and True Grit all better in that order but my criteria doesn't really align with the Oscars'.

I had no idea that Kevin Smith's "imagine if someone jizzed on Chewbacca" taut back-and-forth and Big Bang Theory's "you are being just like a scientist and/or X-Man right now, LOL" Chuck Lorre patter were such cultural achievements.


    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    Trent Reznor has an Oscar.

    I need a minute here.


I won a statue like an animal.
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.59
They are not achievements as part of the culture. Considering even with Sheen acting like a jackass, 2 1/2 Men and BBT are two of the biggest shows on TV right. Social Network is not anything new is my point.
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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.91
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    Trent Reznor has an Oscar.

    I need a minute here.


I was ready to make this comment, but then I remembered that this category has also brought up Academy Award winner Eminem and Academy Award winner Three Six Mafia, so saying "Academy Award winner Trent Reznor" doesn't sound so absurd. But I will say, I am impressed that he got it for Score, rather than Original Song, the way the other guys did.




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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
Really, saying "Oscar winner Trent Reznor" doesn't sound anywhere near as wrong as "Oscar winner Cuba Gooding, Jr." does.



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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.84
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro

      Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Trent Reznor has an Oscar.

      I need a minute here.


    I won a statue like an animal.

Hall of Fame post.



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.00
Lotjx =Armond White. It all makes sense now.

As for the Oscars, I can't believe that Harry Potter didn't win any awards. There's always next year. Maybe they will bestow awards on Deathly Hallows Part II in the vein of Return of the King. Or maybe not.



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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.43
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro

    I had no idea that Kevin Smith's "imagine if someone jizzed on Chewbacca" taut back-and-forth and Big Bang Theory's "you are being just like a scientist and/or X-Man right now, LOL" Chuck Lorre patter were such cultural achievements.


I'd say that DOGMA was a quite bit more than inane banter. Sure he makes a lot of dick jokes, but he can clearly write a good thought provoking script.
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.71
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    I'd say that DOGMA was a quite bit more than inane banter. Sure he makes a lot of dick jokes, but he can clearly write a good thought provoking script.
I thought that for quite a while too. Then I got older and saw more movies and heard and took part in more conversations.

Dogma was a really good idea with really horrible execution. Which is fine - not everything works out, gotta try stuff, etc. But the downhill slide he's been on since Dogma has given me no reason to ever hope for a quality film from Kevin Smith again. Clerks 2 was abysmal and Jersey Girl and Zack and Miri Make A Porno were worse. Also, that sentence sounds like a totally illegal grossbuckets threeway.

Oscars!, he said, so as not to completely derail the thread. I saw thems. I liked the swearing and the auto-tuned movie clips and Sandra Bullock and that guy who told that nice story about his mom and I like how everyone loved James Franco's grandma. Everyone loves grandmas. As for the winners, I didn't see most of the nominated movies, so whatever, I'm sure some of them were good choices.
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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.51
I liked Dogma. I'd like it even more without the shit demon and Chris Rock doing his standard "BECAUSE I'M A BLACK MAN~!" shtick.

I think How to Train Your Dragon got robbed in not getting Best Score. The Social Network's score was far too minimalist for me.



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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    King's Speech isn't pretentious British shit any more than, I dunno, Shaun of the Dead is. I mean it is certainly British. The king of England is a humiliated schlub, the queen is a cheeky bird, he spends the whole movie getting zinged by his teacherpal, and his moment of triumph is shouting a string of profanities. It's awards baity but it's not tiresome historical melodrama.



Ok, but sub out the King of England for the President of the United States with the exact same story and ask yourself if it even would've been nominated.
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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.83
Of course it would. FROST/NIXON was similarly low-key and talky and it got nominations out the wazoo. You're onto a loser here.
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