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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.79
    Originally posted by JayJayDean
      Originally posted by BigSteve
      I know that probably seems like sportswriter hyperbole since he didn't even come close to the record


    I'd argue that this is MORE impressive than Wilt's 100-points. Wilt scored 100 of 169 in that game, or 59.2% of his team's points. Kobe scored 81 of 122, or 66.4%. Not only that, but with nine minutes to go in the third quarter, the Raptors were up by 18, at which point I believe Kobe said, "EFF THIS."


Considering all of that, I'd have to wonder if suddenly Kobe went down with a season-ending injury, would the Lakers win more than 5 games the rest of the way?

And since Kobe scored 81 against a Canadian team, does the exchange rate work out to 55 points American?
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.60
    Originally posted by too-old-now
    However, if Wilt had played with a three-point line, and he felt like it, he would've been able to lead the league in 3 pointers made.

    Whenever he felt there was a challenge, he took it and beat it. Points. Rebounds. Assists. He could do whatever he wanted on the court.


Oh no, I cannot let this one slide. Wilt certainly had his share of struggles unguarded from 15 feet (basketball-reference.com), with a carrer mark of a Shaq-like 51.1% from the line (By comparison, Shaq's career mark is 53.0% (sports.espn.go.com)) For all his incredible accomplishments and abilities, somehow I doubt Wilt could also imitate Dale Ellis or Larry Legend from beyond the arc.

Apologies in advance, too-old-now, if you were being facetious and it was too subtle for me to pick up on.

Kobe scored 55 in the 2nd half last night, which matches the all-time high game of the NBA's career scoring leader, Kareem.

81 is an achievement to be sure. Remember where you heard it: At some point this season, likely in the final week or most likely the final game (David Thompson or David Robinson-style), Kobe is going to take a swing at 100, and I actually think he has a shot at it.





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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.24
John Hollinger on ESPN.com has an interesting take on this, adjusting for the differences in the game from the 60s to today:

Of all the differences between Bryant's game and Chamberlain's, this one is perhaps the biggest. Chamberlain's game ended up 169-147, Bryant's 122-104. Obviously, there was a huge difference in the speed of play, and that meant Chamberlain had far more opportunities to score than Bryant did.

Chamberlain's game featured 233 field-goal attempts versus 164 for Bryant's, and 93 free-throw attempts to 60 for Bryant's. We have no data on turnovers and offensive rebounds for Chamberlain's game, but based on the numbers I just mentioned, we can estimate there were 46 percent more possessions in the Chamberlain game than in the Kobe game.

If that's the case, we need to inflate Kobe's numbers by 46 percent to get an accurate idea of what it equates to in Chamberlain's era. The answer? An unbelievable 118 points. And if we add in six extra minutes for Bryant, we end up with the mind-boggling total of 135. By one player. In one game.

Another way to look at it is by deflating Chamberlain's numbers by a similar amount. If we change his currency into "2006 points," so to speak, the Stilt ends up with 68 points -- still an awesome performance, but clearly not on a level with Kobe's 81-point outburst. And once you adjust for the 48 minutes Chamberlain played vs. Kobe's 42, you end up with 60 points for Wilt -- or just a bit more than Kobe rang up in the second half.




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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.76
Phil Jackson says Kobe to take every shot (realgm.com) from now on.

*wink*wink*



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.56
The Lakers are such an odd case this season.

One side says Kobe dominates the ball b/c the other guys are too inconsistent.

The other side says the other guys are too inconsistent b/c Kobe dominates the ball.

And the crazy thing is both sides are kinda right.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.57
Well, it's either Kobe or a guy named Smoosh taking the shots. When that's the case, I guess you're gonna be shooting 40+ times a night.
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.79
    Originally posted by spf
    Well, it's either Kobe or a guy named Smoosh taking the shots. When that's the case, I guess you're gonna be shooting 40+ times a night.


How about Odom taking a few?
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.63
    Originally posted by Alpha Dog
      Originally posted by too-old-now
      However, if Wilt had played with a three-point line, and he felt like it, he would've been able to lead the league in 3 pointers made.

      Whenever he felt there was a challenge, he took it and beat it. Points. Rebounds. Assists. He could do whatever he wanted on the court.


    Oh no, I cannot let this one slide. Wilt certainly had his share of struggles unguarded from 15 feet (basketball-reference.com), with a carrer mark of a Shaq-like 51.1% from the line (By comparison, Shaq's career mark is 53.0% (sports.espn.go.com)) For all his incredible accomplishments and abilities, somehow I doubt Wilt could also imitate Dale Ellis or Larry Legend from beyond the arc.

    Apologies in advance, too-old-now, if you were being facetious and it was too subtle for me to pick up on.


Yes, Wilt sucked at the free throw line. Yes, I should have been more clear that I was being facetious. Before I posted this, I had heard a caller on sportsradio talk about Wilt doing whatever he wanted whenever and wherever he wanted. He didn't have to take 3 pointers since he had the best inside game ever - towering above most of the rest of the league. How many teams in Wilt's era had 7 footers? Now, almost all of them do. By today's standard, Wilt would still be an awesome player, but I doubt he'd dominate the way he did before.

I tried to make the point that it was impossible to really compare eras, but that doesn't stop us from trying to.
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Two points to make here: No. 1, by all accounts, Wilt was actually an excellent outside shooter; his problems at the free-throw line were more of a mental block than anything else. Would he have been leading the league in 3-point shooting? Probably not, but from everything I've ever read about Wilt, it's not outlandish to think he would've been a fine 3-point shooter.

No. 2, I hate this "let's do all sorts of random math and 'prove' that one stat is better than another" trend. You can't compare eras. Period. Unless you come up with some sort of analysis that takes EVERY possible variable into effect, you can't say that Kobe's 81 > Wilt's 100. Yes, it was a higher-scoring game when Wilt scored 100, but that doesn't mean that his achievement is somehow lessened. Both were fantastic performances, but the simple fact of the matter is that Wilt scored 100. Kobe scored 81.
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Eight assists for Kobe on Friday night. He's definitely a team player now.





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