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#1 Posted on 15.11.03 1521.31
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...about Torrie Wilson. I've been way harsh about her because of all those angles she's been doing recently. But then, I come across this interview with The Sun, and well.... See for yourself.

Click Here (thesun.co.uk)

You know something, I knew that everything leads to Vince in the WWE, so now instead of snide comments, I have more respect for her after what she said, especially about the thing with Nidia, Jamie and Billy. That really opened my eyes. So, as a person, I give her my props. She's still no Trish Stratus, but she's alright.

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#2 Posted on 15.11.03 1551.30
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I don't get it. What did you expect, all kayfabe-ish babbling? She is only a human being after all, and if she is fed with bullshit angles, she isn't going to love them always, so what difference shall this interview make?

But it's good to hear that she is interested in actual wrestling. All I need to hear now is that Steph is holding her down......
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#3 Posted on 15.11.03 1559.28
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This is almost as good as that long interview she did a few years ago (shortly before WCW went out of business) where she said she'd never do Playboy.
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#4 Posted on 15.11.03 1911.01
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Torrie says: I also feel there are too many girls on Raw, so it's too hard to compete for a spot.

I would hope so, since y'know, the women's division is on RAW.

Torrie says:But the drawback is that they don't take us seriously as wrestlers on Smackdown, but I'm hoping to change that.

I'll believe that when she beats Dawn Marie with a friggin' Vertebreaker or something, after putting on a **** outing.

Without injuring her, of course.

Torrie says:My dad was so funny and had the highest rated segments on every show.

... What?

Torrie says:I think that we sometimes lack good long-running storylines. It would be great to have him make a cameo comeback.

I understand it's her dad and all; but if he's gonna be on my screen regularly, he's either a damn referee or a manager.





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#5 Posted on 15.11.03 2010.19
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    Originally posted by Tod deKindes
    Torrie says:My dad was so funny and had the highest rated segments on every show.

    ... What?

    Torrie says:I think that we sometimes lack good long-running storylines. It would be great to have him make a cameo comeback.

    I understand it's her dad and all; but if he's gonna be on my screen regularly, he's either a damn referee or a manager.





    (edited by Tod deKindes on 15.11.03 2011)


He really did somehow get good ratings. That's why they ran the angle so long.

And I don't know about everyone else - but I've been clammoring for a Ghost of Al Wilson angle for a long time.

Look - the women on Smackdown aren't wrestlers. The closest they've got is probably Sable. Think about that for a while. That much is pretty clear. They're never going to do anything entertaining in the ring, especially when they're going to be compared to the Molly Hollys and Trish Stratuses of the world competing on RAW.

They aren't actresses either. They don't even have that train-wreck Keanu Reeves acting* that Stacy Kiebler gives us in her weekly Bad Acting Contests with Test. They're just bland.

So, something needs to be done with them - if only to give them an excuse to parade out to the ring in various states of undress. And while they could write a really good compelling storyline, that's hard work - and work that would be better spent on the main event/US title level. So what's the solution?

The stupidest angle humanly possible, of course.

Admit it, by the end, you were enjoying the Al Wilson storyline. At least admit that when they brought him out in a turkey suit last Thanksgiving the entire thing hit the point where it was so incredibly dumb that it was genius.

I say, starting next week, Dawn Marie is haunted by Al Wilson's ghost - played by Al Wilson covered in talcum powder. What the hell else are they going to do with these people?

Besides, if there's time for Vince to discuss shitting the bed, there's time for Al Wilson's ghost. Thank you.



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#6 Posted on 15.11.03 2011.42
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Well, she's definately better at talking about things she doesn't care for than RVD is, I'll give her that. As far as her improving, I don't know if she'd stick to it once the heavy bumping came around. Can you imagine her doing the kind of stuff Trish, Victoria, or Molly do every week (or taking the stuff they give out?) I know I don't know her at all, but from how she comes across on TV and in interviews, I just don't think she's tough enough to move up to that next level and stay there for years on end.

I also got a good chuckle out of this quote about Tajiri:
"he doesn't speak very good English"


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#7 Posted on 15.11.03 2059.28
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    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
    As far as her improving, I don't know if she'd stick to it once the heavy bumping came around. Can you imagine her doing the kind of stuff Trish, Victoria, or Molly do every week (or taking the stuff they give out?) I know I don't know her at all, but from how she comes across on TV and in interviews, I just don't think she's tough enough to move up to that next level and stay there for years on end.


If I'm not mistaken didn't Trish, Victoria, and Torrie break into wrestling the smae way? Fitness models and contestants?

I remember seeing some Diva special where Torrie met Victoria competing in a fitness competition, years before Torrie even broke into WCW(Torrie was actually kinda ripped then). If they can compete equally there, I don't think anyone can be truly sure how she could hang if she got serious ring training.

Speaking on Trish she was also a fitness model(I'm not sure she competed in a competition like Torrie or Victoria). She didn't come in as a stunt woman or anything as physically strenuous as pro wrestling. The hardest work she had done besides working out, was probably holding a smile long enough for a photoshoot. She came in as Test and Albert's manager(very thin at the time). During that time internet rumors went around that she was training to be a serious female competititor. Nobody thought she would be any good cause they we're judging her tv's character and that she was a stereotypical blonde weak model. I remember laughing at her when I found out she was bruising and getting injured every time she trained back then. We see in the little time she has gone VERY far in the ring.

Bottom line is this. Three of these women really wanted to perform in that ring. All three started as models and competitors. They all started in wrestling as simple eye candy. Two of them we're trained fully and are the better reasons to watch RAW. If Torrie wants it bad enough I think she'll do just as well.
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#8 Posted on 15.11.03 2122.11
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Regarding Al Wilson: The only redeeming quality of the angle was the material it gave DEAN. Now, to be fair to Al, he was much more entertaining than any person with the last name McMahon.
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#9 Posted on 15.11.03 2140.54
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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    Look - the women on Smackdown aren't wrestlers. The closest they've got is probably Sable.


I hope Al Snow and Tazz hunt you down and kick your ass for that remark.
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#10 Posted on 15.11.03 2159.23
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Sorry RM, as a person I actually like her. But professionally she comes off the same.

One few words stands out more then anything and it's when she said talking about Victoria " She has amazing moves, can do a perfect moonsault and is not scared in the ring. I know I'll never be that good"... When you limit yourself to how good you will be. How do you expect anyone else to take you seriously?. She doesn't sound like a confident person at all, which reassures that in the next question about how she doesn't want to go to Raw and the fear of Live TV and compete with other girls for a spot.

Trish & Torrie will always be compared due because of their backgrounds. But for me that's like comparing Kurt Angle & Mark Henry because they were in the U.S Olympic team. Seeing Trish for 4 years (Torrie for 5)their mentality is as opposite as it comes. Trish early on focused on training, stepped up on camera by taking the first unprotected table spot from the Dudleyz in 2000 which she suggested... Another more recent story was the mudmatch with Stacy which they talked on Confidential with Finlay, and he said Trish didn't want it to be just another T&A thing so she sugguested the stage dive and they went with it and when it was over the image of the stage dive lasted longer then the muddy Trish(and spot lived on for a year in Raw's theme).

Anytime Torrie could have done the same, when Shaniqua was beating up her & Nidia. Nidia was taking gorilla presses over the top to the outside as Torrie took conservative clotheslines on the inside. Go backstage and suggest you could do more... And I'm not saying she has do that, one of my favorites is Stacy, she's not a wrestler, she's not a bump taker. She's a wrestling character and I think she's being underused because I think she actually has some charisma and adds something to the show. But Stacy knows what she can and unable (or unwanting) to do and that's fine. But Torrie seems to keep tipping her toes in the pool with "I wanna be a wrestler" but not putting both feet in the water.

Torrie as a person, for all accounts she's nice and decent. And I do sympathize of her getting tired of her having to do T&A exhibitions every houseshow... Solution is to have a better character and/or be a valet. Problem whenever she hooks up with a guy his heat disappears and as a character she always comes out pretty bland, she always seems uncomfortable out there.

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#11 Posted on 15.11.03 2221.30
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    Originally posted by CruelAngel777


    If I'm not mistaken didn't Trish, Victoria, and Torrie break into wrestling the smae way? Fitness models and contestants?

    I remember seeing some Diva special where Torrie met Victoria competing in a fitness competition, years before Torrie even broke into WCW(Torrie was actually kinda ripped then). If they can compete equally there, I don't think anyone can be truly sure how she could hang if she got serious ring training.

    Speaking on Trish she was also a fitness model(I'm not sure she competed in a competition like Torrie or Victoria). She didn't come in as a stunt woman or anything as physically strenuous as pro wrestling. The hardest work she had done besides working out, was probably holding a smile long enough for a photoshoot. She came in as Test and Albert's manager(very thin at the time). During that time internet rumors went around that she was training to be a serious female competititor. Nobody thought she would be any good cause they we're judging her tv's character and that she was a stereotypical blonde weak model. I remember laughing at her when I found out she was bruising and getting injured every time she trained back then. We see in the little time she has gone VERY far in the ring.

    Bottom line is this. Three of these women really wanted to perform in that ring. All three started as models and competitors. They all started in wrestling as simple eye candy. Two of them we're trained fully and are the better reasons to watch RAW. If Torrie wants it bad enough I think she'll do just as well.


Hasn't Torrie been in wrestling about as long as Trish and Victoria? Why haven't there been any real improvement's since then? Jim Ross says he specifically tells the girls that he wants the kind of effort to improve that Trish has shown, so how come Torrie still looks absolutely lost in the ring whenever doing anything more intense than a bikini competition? I think the WWE knows quite well what they're doing when they decide to book her in swimsuit competitions rather than put her in a match with a roster of women who ALL are more competent in the ring than she is.

Net Hack Slasher's post (amazingly) equals everything else I was going to say, especially the part about Kurt Angle and Mark Henry, so I won't bother wasting everyone's time with repeating what he said using better sentences than I would have.

ps. How exactly do you become a 'Net Hack Slasher' in the first place? Do you start off as a 'Net Hack Cutter' and work your way up, or is it best to jump right in with a big ol' blade when no one expects it?


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#12 Posted on 15.11.03 2305.12
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Fitness models...so you're saying that neither Trish, Victoria, or Tori had any wrestling training before they signed on? What is wrong with this picture? Do wrestling schools not accept girls, or is the WWE just not worried about skill if the woman is hot?
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#13 Posted on 15.11.03 2321.12
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    Originally posted by LotusMegami
    Fitness models...so you're saying that neither Trish, Victoria, or Tori had any wrestling training before they signed on? What is wrong with this picture? Do wrestling schools not accept girls, or is the WWE just not worried about skill if the woman is hot?


Shit, it ain't just women that are getting hired because they're attractive instead of skilled. Why do you think that we're getting NOTHING but absolutely bland, untrained 20 year old male models for the most part over the last couple years? The fact that these guys have been trained (slightly) is simply due to the fact that the ratio of men to women is so different that there's a larger pool of men to pick from. From their new philosophy about Sports Entertainment, it's a lot better for them to find the next Rock (simply for crossover movie star appeal) than it is to find the next Hitman.

Appearance over Skill, as Entertainment is over Wrestling.


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#14 Posted on 16.11.03 0452.15
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    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
      Originally posted by LotusMegami
      Fitness models...so you're saying that neither Trish, Victoria, or Tori had any wrestling training before they signed on? What is wrong with this picture? Do wrestling schools not accept girls, or is the WWE just not worried about skill if the woman is hot?


    Shit, it ain't just women that are getting hired because they're attractive instead of skilled. Why do you think that we're getting NOTHING but absolutely bland, untrained 20 year old male models for the most part over the last couple years? The fact that these guys have been trained (slightly) is simply due to the fact that the ratio of men to women is so different that there's a larger pool of men to pick from. From their new philosophy about Sports Entertainment, it's a lot better for them to find the next Rock (simply for crossover movie star appeal) than it is to find the next Hitman.

    Appearance over Skill, as Entertainment is over Wrestling.


    Tribal Prophet


Okay, other than one of the La Resistance guys, who are you talking about? I've never heard of any other male wrestler being a model. And we seem to be getting a lot of hosses nowadays, but I seriously doubt Matt Morgan or Nathan Jones have been modelling thongs for the last ten years.

As for the women, what do you want, exactly? It's okay for Stacy to have no obvious talents outside of bending over, but Torrie (a playboy centerfold) has to become Lou Thesz or she's a hole in the head? Whatever you can say about Torrie you can say about Stacy, except for the whole best-selling issue of best-selling men's magazine in the world thing. What's more, Torrie's Meryl Streep in the acting department compared to Stacy.

I also question that Torrie steals the heat of everyone she's with. Tajiri wasn't doing too badly with her, especially when he went heel and was forcing her to cover herself up. Before Torrie he was getting tea for Willy Regal, so PLEAZE don't tell me she ruined his career. Maven is no worse off. Billy Gunn is Billy Gunn, he couldn't keep heat if you napalmed his ass. And David Flair sucks all on his own.

Now I realize I'm dealing with a community that finds women putting each other in armbars more attractive than women making out with each other, but there's got to be something for whatever eroded remainder of the casual fanbase there might still be.

I'm not her biggest fan, but she doesn't have to wrestle, nor should she be "used to get people over". That's not her job. She's "talent" and she's over, for better or for worse, and again, by virtue of the playboy spread alone, she's obviously made an impression on somebody. Why she's over, why she was hired, and other such queries are irrelevant. And studies show being attractive makes it more likely you'll get any job, not just wrestling contracts, so it can't really be helped one way or another.










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#15 Posted on 16.11.03 0639.52
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    Originally posted by LotusMegami
    Fitness models...so you're saying that neither Trish, Victoria, or Tori had any wrestling training before they signed on? What is wrong with this picture? Do wrestling schools not accept girls, or is the WWE just not worried about skill if the woman is hot?


Victoria came in as a wrestler. I witnessed her training, myself. She started out as outside the ring eye-candy, and following her first appearance as "Victoria" (During the RTC "Save the Hoes" bit), she dedicated herself to hardcore training in the ring.
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#16 Posted on 16.11.03 1612.18
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    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    Okay, other than one of the La Resistance guys, who are you talking about? I've never heard of any other male wrestler being a model. And we seem to be getting a lot of hosses nowadays, but I seriously doubt Matt Morgan or Nathan Jones have been modelling thongs for the last ten years.


I don't mean actual models (The is actually the first I've heard about the Resistance guys doing it). I'm talking about La Resistance, Randy Orton (although family probably helped get him a job), Jindrak, Cade, Cena, and any number of guys that look like they've been hired pretty much straight out of high school just for their looks.

I'm not clamering for the days of old, but I'd much rather see a roster full of guys like DiBiase, Steamboat, Roberts, Hart, Savage, and others who KNEW how to wrestle rather than how to show off their abs and hair gel. And I don't just mean that they know moves, I mean that they know what to do in the ring throught the match. How to change it on the fly to pull the crowd along and keep people interested in each moment. Today everyone wrestles like it's a live version of the latest Smackdown! game.

Every single WWE match now-a-days is booked like a fucking mad-lib. You just get each wrestler to write down their favorite 10 moves, and then fill those moves in the same spots for each match. Boring, repetitive, and most importantly, lazily booked.


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#17 Posted on 16.11.03 1706.44
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    Originally posted by InVerse
      Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
      Look - the women on Smackdown aren't wrestlers. The closest they've got is probably Sable.


    I hope Al Snow and Tazz hunt you down and kick your ass for that remark.


Hey, I debated that comment - and while I really get a kick out of Nidia and Shaniqua, there's got to be a reason they were both brought in as managers instead of part of RAW's title division.
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#18 Posted on 16.11.03 1751.41
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    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
    I don't mean actual models (The is actually the first I've heard about the Resistance guys doing it). I'm talking about La Resistance, Randy Orton (although family probably helped get him a job), Jindrak, Cade, Cena, and any number of guys that look like they've been hired pretty much straight out of high school just for their looks.




Okay, I know John Cena went to college, then trained for at least two years, and has inherent charisma and seems to be picking up the business quickly. He's somewhere between 24 and 26, but by any definition he's not right out of high school, and I don't think he looks like it. In fact, of the newer crop of guys he's the only one that seems to understand how important standing out from the crowd, and projecting a unique personality is. The fact that you find him "pretty" is more or less random. Jindrak was aquired in the WCW takeover, he's been around for a few years. If Cade was hired on looks, I don't see why. He's not in memorable shape, and he just looks kind of goofy and lame, like he fell out of another decade. Orton, like you said, would have been tried regardless so I agree with you on him and La Resistance. But you can't discriminate against the attractive or in shape.

    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet


    I'm not clamering for the days of old, but I'd much rather see a roster full of guys like DiBiase, Steamboat, Roberts, Hart, Savage, and others who KNEW how to wrestle rather than how to show off their abs and hair gel. And I don't just mean that they know moves, I mean that they know what to do in the ring throught the match. How to change it on the fly to pull the crowd along and keep people interested in each moment. Today everyone wrestles like it's a live version of the latest Smackdown! game.

    Every single WWE match now-a-days is booked like a fucking mad-lib. You just get each wrestler to write down their favorite 10 moves, and then fill those moves in the same spots for each match. Boring, repetitive, and most importantly, lazily booked.


    Tribal Prophet


Well we'd all like a roster full of guys like Dibiase, Steamboat, Roberts, Hart, Savage, and others you mentioned. The problem at its core, however, is that such a level of talent, in my opinion and I think a lot of people's, does not exist today. Every guy on that list of yours came from a time when the system of operation in the business was the territories. They were the very best from their region, and Vince bought them all up and put them on one show. That's impossible today.

Those guys had the advantage of working 7 days a week, twice on Saturdays, twice on Sundays. Nine matches a week, 52 weeks a year will put you in a command of capabilities sooner rather than later. These guys wrestling over 400 matches a year didn't "learn quicker" than today's talent, they just spent more time in the field, so to speak. Nowadays, guys wrestle twice a week, and unless they work for Vince they lose money, and have to keep quitting and coming back when they have more. In addition, it's not like a territory of old where there's a Dory Funk or a Harley Race or some other legendary figure in every territory. Today's indy show has about 15-25 guys, all of them inexperienced. So who do you learn from? Most guys who have been wrestling for 3 or 4 years still haven't had as many matches as a Dibiase or a Savage did in year 1. And a place like RoH isn't a good place to learn, because it caters to the arrogant uber-fan who wants perfection and boos a person not displaying mastery.

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#19 Posted on 16.11.03 1825.14
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I think what he's trying to say is that most of the guys coming up now fit this cookie cutter mold. Big, jacked up, and ripped with short hair. It's kinda like in the mid 80's when Hogan and the Road Warriors hit when we were flooded with a big stiffs. Now they just have better diets, drugs and less training.

Batista, Heidenreich, Morgan, Jones, Jindrak, O'Haire, they're all pretty much interchangeable.

Orton and Dupree have been destined for the business since birth. Grenier - not even going to go there. Lance Cade was trained by Michaels, had a developmental but got cut because of major attitude issues. He got those in check and somehow added about 30 pounds of pure muscle to his frame and is back.

There's very little variety anymore. There used to be wrestlers of all shapes and sizes. Now it looks like the pages of MuscleMag instead of a wrestling federation.
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#20 Posted on 16.11.03 1939.43
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NetHackSlasher brought up good points. Reading Torrie's review again I realize she contradicts herself alot, and also lied about Kidman being in Smackdown HCTP (unless Kidman made himself......LIES!!). She's had lots of time to improve her ring work all these years. If she does improve good for her. I'll be the first suprised. If she continues to be eye candy, whatever. I've never been a Torrie fan anyway.

On a side note, I just noticed alot of the guys in WWE now look the same. Short hair, ripped, Maxim hair frosting, etc. It's very depressing where are my luchadors *cries*
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