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#1 Posted on 8.7.06 2359.00
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"Shiny" Dana White announced it during UFC's PPV tonight. If Liddell successfully defends his title against Renato Sobral in August, Liddell and Silva will fight in November - apparently on a UFC show.

Silva was called into the ring by White during the PPV tonight and made the challenge...while wearing a Pride shirt, no less.

This is definitely one of the biggest MMA matches of all time. Maybe THE biggest.
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#2 Posted on 9.7.06 0028.46
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For me, probably THE biggest.

Having said that... what clueless fans the UFC has. Dana White announces a fight that MMA fans have been aching for for years, and they barely make a peep. Not only that, but Wanderlei fucking Silva stands in the middle of the UFC octagon, wearing a Pride FC shirt, and they barely make a peep. No cheering, no booing, just, kinda, milling about. Even Dana White looked a bit perplexed after his initial look of self-satisfaction.

I don't even think most of the people there knew who he was.

Ah well -- the memory of seeing Silva's staredown-of-doom aimed directly through Chuck Liddell's big ol' head will last forever.

Can't wait for that fight.

As for UFC 51. What garbage. I want me forty bucks back. From start to finish, it was either "ok" or "absolute shit", culminating in Silvia and Arlovski kinda poking at each other for five rounds.

And Tito saying he's willing to fight Shamrock for a third time? Puuuuuuuuhleeeeeeaaaase don't let that happen. The first time, Tito nearly killed him; the second time, a somewhat swift ref-stoppage saved Ken from getting killed. I don't need to see a dead man in the octagon to sate my blood lust.

Lastly, it says something for the lack of depth in the UFC Heavyweight division when the now #1 contender (Jeff Monson) fought in an untelevised fight. You'd think for a guy to be the #1 contender he'd have to at be SEEN by fans for them to care. How very very odd.

Ah well. Sometimes fight cards just don't pan out. August should be good, and November should be fantastic.
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#3 Posted on 9.7.06 0045.26
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The line of the night goes to Wanderlei Silva -

"I want to fuck... I mean... fight with Chuck"

Yeah this pay per view sucked ass. The first main event was action packed and lasted a minute, and then the second main event lasted 25 minutes and they barely touched each other. I don't get UFC pay per views that often but when I do, I'm usually more impressed with the undercards than with the main events.
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#4 Posted on 9.7.06 0100.18
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I love how they promote Liddell/Silva, and then in very small print afterwards go "onlyifchuckbeatsbabaloo." Liddell's fight with Babaloo is suddenly the biggest afterthought since the No Way Out PPV.

Anyway, this was a pretty weak offering. The battles of the Joshes was good and the opening bout bloodbath was fun, but Mir's fight was terrible (Mir needs to retire), the title fight was dull from the second round on. Ortiz/Shamrock had a big-fight feel to it, but ended exactly the way everyone predicted -- Tito beating the hell out of Shamrock. It was ended just quickly enough that Shamrock will probably whine and complain and there will eventually be a third bout.
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#5 Posted on 9.7.06 0641.09
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Yeah, I was jumping out of my seat at the Silva announcement, but Wanderlei's unfortunate misspeaking somewhat tempered my fanboy lust. God bless that strange, cartoonish badass.

While the UFC doesn't always draw the most brilliant audience, for once, I have trouble blaming them for the lukewarm reception, with all the crap they'd gotten that night. I understand the desire to keep fighters from getting hurt, but when you've built up a grudge match for 5 months, and indeed made it the very focal point of your organization's flagship show, you don't leave any doubt, you let it go. In a normal fight, a stoppage after four seconds of semi-contested (not to say Shamrock was defending himself very well, but he wasn't quite at the "assume the fetal position" stage, either) blows would leave fans somewhat perturbed; in what's been billed as one of the biggest grudge-matches in UFC history, especially given that its basis is a fight in which Shamrock took comparable punishment for fifteen minutes straight, it's damn near unacceptable. Three or four more seconds wouldn't have hurt Shamrock, it would have given considerable opportunity to clarify whether or not he was helpless, and best of all, it would have erased the "I GUESS WE NEED SHAMROCK/ORTIZ III HAR HAR" bullshit we'll almost certainly get now.

And man, I don't even like Jeff Monson all that much, and now I'm willing to pay money just to see him choke Sylvia out. That fight was atrocious. Arlovski was billed as this insanely well-rounded kickboxer/sambo expert/submission artist, and yet after two rounds he refuses to even try to kick Sylvia's leg, even when he's sticking it out and almost offering it up to him on a silver platter; Sylvia is supposed to be this incredibly powerful wrecking machine, and he doesn't even try to finish the fight. It's annoying, because I really want to like Sylvia, but he gets lazy in the ring and he's a jackass out of it. After his performance since returning to the UFC, however, I can't even find much reason to root for Mir, who was supposed to be gearing up to topple the man. So my prayers rest with you, Monson. If you finish someone with a dragon sleeper again I'll titter like a schoolgirl.

On the other side of things, after his last couple fights, it was great to see Stevenson seriously on the ball. He looked sharp, aware, and dare I say it, extremely credible against Edwards. He's going to be much more of a force as a lightweight than he would have as a welterweight...I never thought I'd say it, but really, between Florian, Stevenson, Edwards, Sherk, Pulver, Stout, Hominick et. al., the UFC actually has a pretty damn good lightweight division going. If Penn drops down, things could get pretty crazy. Bonus points for Josh Burkman, too. Between him, Stevenson and Swick, it's good to see some of the TUF guys becoming serious competition.

In any case: biting my nails in anticipation of Liddell/Silva, still hyped for Hughes/GSP, and so long as Dana's breaking down the international barriers, let Sylvia finally have that match with Fedor he's been begging for. I'll bring the popcorn.
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#6 Posted on 9.7.06 1752.43
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Ditto to what CarlCX said. Perfectly said.
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#7 Posted on 9.7.06 2046.41
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    Originally posted by Sobriquet
    Not only that, but Wanderlei fucking Silva stands in the middle of the UFC octagon, wearing a Pride FC shirt, and they barely make a peep. No cheering, no booing, just, kinda, milling about.

Not surprised. A lot of people who pony up to go to something like that are just people who want to see fights and because UFC is "cool," not so much because they are hardcore fans.

There's some speculation now that Silva is actually not obligated to Pride at the moment, and that's why UFC was able to sign him for 3 fights. I guess that's a possibility, but if that is the case it doesn't make sense that he was wearing a Pride shirt. I'll believe it when someone from Pride or Silva himself says it.

I'm just hoping it's the start of some cross-promotion between the two, although with Pride losing a chunk of TV money in Japan and looking to invade America, I don't know if that's something that will happen.
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#8 Posted on 9.7.06 2123.53
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For some reason I'm not nearly as excited for a Silva/Liddell fight as I would've been a year or two ago. There was a time where I REALLY REALLY wanted to see it happen, like when Chuck fought on a Pride card (I forget which one) and Dana White was present on commentary and kept hinting at it. Now, while I still look forward to it, it doesn't grab me as much as it would have then.
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#9 Posted on 13.7.06 1030.59
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    Originally posted by Sobriquet
    For me, probably THE biggest.

    Having said that... what clueless fans the UFC has. Dana White announces a fight that MMA fans have been aching for for years, and they barely make a peep. Not only that, but Wanderlei fucking Silva stands in the middle of the UFC octagon, wearing a Pride FC shirt, and they barely make a peep. No cheering, no booing, just, kinda, milling about. Even Dana White looked a bit perplexed after his initial look of self-satisfaction.


Oh excuse me for not konwing who Silva is, I mean he's all over the place, television shows, newspaper, magazines. Oh wait, no he isn't. Seriously there is a huge chunk of UFC fans who has just become fans of UFC since it's been on Spike. How the hell would they know who Silva is?
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#10 Posted on 13.7.06 1303.55
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    Originally posted by Quezzy
    Oh excuse me for not konwing who Silva is, I mean he's all over the place, television shows, newspaper, magazines. Oh wait, no he isn't. Seriously there is a huge chunk of UFC fans who has just become fans of UFC since it's been on Spike. How the hell would they know who Silva is?


Did you shell out big bucks to attend the pay per view live and in person? I'm guessing not. I'm well aware that the average fan in north america likely doesn't know who the guy is because Pride FC doesn't really market itself over here.

The average fan is also likely only watching for free on Spike or, maybe, shelling out $40 bucks (split amongst buddies) to watch on TV.

I'm commenting on how clueless the fans in attendance were -- a problem that springs as much from complimentary tickets as it does from B-list celebraties needing to be scene on TV. If you're spending $800 on tickets to an event and know nothing about it, you deserve to be called "clueless". It's not just Wanderlei Silva, it's all sorts of things that expose the majority of recent UFC live audiences as a bunch of clueless twits.

Next time you take offense to something, make sure you know what you're taking offense to. I certainly don't have any problem with people watching UFC and not knowing who Silva is, or Fedor Emelianenko, or anyone else from Pride, or KotC, or Rumble on the Rock, or wherever else for that matter.

I do hope, however, that Dana White et al realize they need to really hype Silva now that he's there or most of their new audience won't care. Most new fans' exposure to Wanderlei Silva is him being knocked out (brutally) by Vitor Belfort in under 50 seconds. At the time, Belfort was one of the very best around and Silva was just emerging as a talent. It's one of the favourite highlights on Spike TV, and gets shown all the time on "UFC Ultimate Knockouts" (or whatever the show's name is).

Sorry if you thought I was insulting your intelligence. I was insulting the live audience. On a positive note, if you'd like to learn more about Wanderlei Silva I suggest checking out Youtube -- there's some fantastic highlight reels of him available.
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#11 Posted on 13.7.06 2008.45
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    Originally posted by Sobriquet
    I'm commenting on how clueless the fans in attendance were -- a problem that springs as much from complimentary tickets as it does from B-list celebraties needing to be scene on TV. If you're spending $800 on tickets to an event and know nothing about it, you deserve to be called "clueless". It's not just Wanderlei Silva, it's all sorts of things that expose the majority of recent UFC live audiences as a bunch of clueless twits.


While I understand your frustration, I just want to make two points:

1. The UFC has a much larger, and different, audience. For instance, when Silva was in attendance years ago and was brought out, the crowd popped HUGE. However, the UFC has grown from the MMA mainstays to a much larger audience due to Spike and other efforts from the UFC. This isn't in and of itself a bad thing...MMA going mainstream at all is amazing considering that you have fights where guys go on the ground, and at first there were many people who would watch and consider it boring. Those very same people are now fans of the sport, and the UFC in my opinion does a good job of educating them on what's going on in the fight. While I understand your argument, it sort of comes across as "we were here first and deserve to hear the reaction we WANT to hear." I, too, was disappointed, but I'm certainly not going to crucify a fanbase that is not only keeping the UFC alive, but helping MMA as a whole grow in North America.

2. As Quezzy pointed out, Pride FC doesn't have as much exposure in the States as UFC does. That being said, the reason for that is two-fold - for one, it's a Japanese organization. But more importantly, if you've been paying attention to what's been happening in the MMA scene over in Japan, Pride seems to be in a free-fall. They've lost their TV deal, their spot as the premiere MMA promotion in Japan, and the organization's popularity has been in the decline for several years now.

So yes, it's disappointing that the fans didn't react stronger and there weren't more in the crowd who knew who Wandy was, but if you're going to blame anyone, blame the UFC for not getting him over in the States sooner (either via video packages or fights against lesser opponents) or Pride for the horrible mismanagement of its promotion.

And also, give it time. All they have to do is start showing clips of him in Pride, build him up, etcetera and they could EASILY make this one of the more anticipated fights of the year despite the lackluster reaction the announcement got at the PPV.

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#12 Posted on 14.7.06 1131.29
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Fair enough -- I know when I'm wrong, and wrong I was. Apologies if I came across at all asinine.

Really, it's sad that the UFC brass miscalculated so badly on bringing Wanderlei in like that -- considering they've got him for a three fight deal and Pride FC is, as you've pointed out, somewhat in limbo as to its future, they could have both created a massive new star... and definitively shown that star why he should stay in the UFC after the deal is up.

Instead, he's probably wondering where the hype is. In that respect, the UFC could really learn something from Pride fighting. They've a fantastic hype machine for fighters over in Japan. Hopefully, Spike TV comes out with a "Best of Wanderlei Silva" special soon. Hell, a best of both Silva and Liddell, comparing and contrasting them, would be awesome.

Here's to hoping.
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#13 Posted on 16.7.06 1005.14
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If Silva beats Liddell, then EVERYONE will know who he is. This is probably the publicity and Pride and Silva himself are counting on.
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