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#21 Posted on 23.2.03 1648.03
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Bucs Fan I'm speaking from my experience. I'm a teacher at an all girls high school and I've talked about these Truth ads with my classes. The most popular answer given was, "If you tell a 14 year old NOT to do something, regardless of the validity of your argument they are going to do it."

Cigarettes and weed are a part of growing up, whether we like it or not. Almost everyone is faced with the choice at some point and a majority will choose to do so. Can anyone on this board tell me that they did NOT experiment at all in either high school or college??

Oh and correct me if I'm wrong but I thought I read somewhere recently that a study in the UK proved that weed is NOT a gateway drug.
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#22 Posted on 23.2.03 1725.34
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To quote Dennis Leary- "Weed doesn't lead to other drugs- It leads to fucking CARPENTRY!" (God, you should have seen some of the bongs I built...)

I never once had the urge to move up to "bigger and better drugs" when I was smoking weed. The only real powerful emotions or urges I felt when smoking pot was paranoia and hunger.

And how exactly can somone "test positive" for pot after an accident? The only thing you can really test for right now is whether or not a person has smoked pot in the last couple of months. One of the reasons that pot is not legal right now is because there is no really effective field-sobriety test for it.

The fact is you can tell the truth and make good arguments against pot and cigarettes. You do not have to lie, grandstand, and exaggerate, and you do not have to paint the "smokers" as morons. I guaran-damn-tee every person who smokes knows exactly how harmful it is.
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#23 Posted on 23.2.03 1747.04
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    Originally posted by The Masked Hungarian

    Cigarettes and weed are a part of growing up, whether we like it or not. Almost everyone is faced with the choice at some point and a majority will choose to do so. Can anyone on this board tell me that they did NOT experiment at all in either high school or college??



I never did. I never had the SLIGHTEST desire to smoke a cigarette, because of what smoking's done to my grandmothers, and if I didn't want to smoke tobacco, why would I want to smoke marijuana?
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#24 Posted on 23.2.03 1833.00
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    Originally posted by The Masked Hungarian
    Bucs Fan I'm speaking from my experience. I'm a teacher at an all girls high school and I've talked about these Truth ads with my classes. The most popular answer given was, "If you tell a 14 year old NOT to do something, regardless of the validity of your argument they are going to do it."

    Cigarettes and weed are a part of growing up, whether we like it or not. Almost everyone is faced with the choice at some point and a majority will choose to do so. Can anyone on this board tell me that they did NOT experiment at all in either high school or college??



That is such bullshit. Every word of it. If someone is given a good reason not to do something, they will not do it. Mosto f the time, if someone tells me not to do something but won't give me a good reason to go along with it, I will go out of my way to do what the person said I shouldn't. However, if someone KNOWS something is bad for them BEFORE they have tried it, they for the most part won't try it.

Honestly, did you READ that second paragraph you typed up there before posting it?
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#25 Posted on 23.2.03 1847.08
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and if I didn't want to smoke tobacco, why would I want to smoke marijuana?


Uh, because smoking pot makes you feel good and smoking cigarettes makes you feel ill.

It's been about 3 years since I quit smoking cigs, and probably about 5 since I smoked weed (which I hardly ever did anyway), but even I remember that. Being a smoker sucks because you feel bad when you haven't had a cig in while. But then when you have one, you don't really feel better, you just feel a different kind of bad. And by the time that wears off, you want a cig again. The only time you really feel "good," is during, like, the first 3 puffs after you've really been jonesing.

Now, contrat that with your casual weed smoker. This guy tokes up a doobie, and he's feeling good for an hour or two. And while he might jones for weed occasionally, it's not like cigs, where you're jonesing 24/7 if you haven't had a cig in the last 30 minutes.

If I were 17 and had to do it all over again, I'd definitely become a 2-joint-a-day guy, rather than a pack a day smoker.
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#26 Posted on 23.2.03 2143.59
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I dunno about that. I find myslef to be much more mellow since I started smoking. I genuinely like the way it feels.

Pot as a gateway drug: that is the dumbest argument I've ever heard. People who use "harder drugs" tend to have used pot first because it's easier to get. It's as simple as that.
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#27 Posted on 23.2.03 2153.43
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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    That is such bullshit. Every word of it. If someone is given a good reason not to do something, they will not do it. Mosto f the time, if someone tells me not to do something but won't give me a good reason to go along with it, I will go out of my way to do what the person said I shouldn't. However, if someone KNOWS something is bad for them BEFORE they have tried it, they for the most part won't try it.

    Honestly, did you READ that second paragraph you typed up there before posting it?



I am sorry Bucsfan but I think IT COULD KILL YOU is a pretty damn good reason to give someone yet kids still start smoking. Its common knowledge that cigarettes give you cancer. It not like a 14 year old starts smoking and then 6 months later say "Holy Shit these things are bad for me!" You are think as 20 year old saying "I am not going to do something just because someone say I should not do it". You have to think as a young teenager who is rebelling from any type of authority that they could find. I am sure ALOT of these kids start smoking just because people tell them not to.
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#28 Posted on 23.2.03 2234.45
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That is such bullshit. Every word of it. If someone is given a good reason not to do something, they will not do it. Mosto f the time, if someone tells me not to do something but won't give me a good reason to go along with it, I will go out of my way to do what the person said I shouldn't. However, if someone KNOWS something is bad for them BEFORE they have tried it, they for the most part won't try it.

Honestly, did you READ that second paragraph you typed up there before posting it?




Bucs Fan

How many 15 year old kids are rational thinkers? If what I said was such bullshit then why is there a weed/cigarette problem???? Every kid has heard from the time they were 8 years old that's its no good for them. Parents tell them, school tells them, even television tells them its bad....YET THEY STILL TRY IT! Again its all about being young and curious. I'm around these kids everyday, if they were logical clear thinking adults my job would be a lot easier.

As for the second paragraph I wrote...where's the problem?

"Cigarettes and weed are a part of growing up, whether we like it or not."

- last time I checked they are both not only around but fairly accessible.

"Almost everyone is faced with the choice at some point and a majority will choose to do so."

- again I have NEVER met a person who hasn't at the very least turned down the opportunity. Most do try it just to see what the big deal is.

"Can anyone on this board tell me that they did NOT experiment at all in either high school or college??"

So Bucs Fan you NEVER tried a cigarette or smoked a joint? If so then good for you, but that's not reality.
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#29 Posted on 23.2.03 2234.54
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I don't think young people now start smoking because they are told not to. The ones who still start now do so because they convince themselves that they are exceptions. That the bad things will escape them. We all do the same thing.

For example, for as long as anyone can remember, parents have muttered to their kids "never take rides with strangers". However, at some point, people may start getting in cars with people they don't know if they need a ride. Why? Because eventually they start trusting their own judgment more than that of their parents. Believe it or not, not every single thing that every young person in the world does is done just to stick it to the rest of the world.

""Can anyone on this board tell me that they did NOT experiment at all in either high school or college??"

So Bucs Fan you NEVER tried a cigarette or smoked a joint? If so then good for you, but that's not reality."

I think you would be shocked at both the number of people who never smoke and at how far off your rediculous, stereotyping assumptions are.

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#30 Posted on 24.2.03 0415.14
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I don't think we should ever accept any vice as a "part of growing up" without actively trying to help adolescents and yound children make informed (if not scared) choices about the consequences of their behavior.


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#31 Posted on 24.2.03 1122.44
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    Originally posted by DrOp
    I don't think we should ever accept any vice as a "part of growing up" without actively trying to help adolescents and yound children make informed (if not scared) choices about the consequences of their behavior.


    DrOp




Amen
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#32 Posted on 24.2.03 1402.40
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Here's my take on Teenagers vs Smoking.

As a teenager, when you unconsciously add up all the things that you've learned. And a lot of what we learned as kids doesn't make sense.

Your parents, and your teachers tell you smoking is bad. Well, I'm willing to bet that all of you probably knew a smoker (or 20) growing up, and probably some of them were pretty good people. So if those people smoked, and they weren't bad, then smoking can't be bad.

Also, these are the same people who gave you other rules in childhood that didn't add up. They'd tell you "Sex is bad." What the hell? The movies all make sex out to be this really fun thing. And you probably know someone who's had sex who isn't a bad person. And even though you don't want to think about it, your parents have at least had sex in the past. So obviously, both your parents and your teachers are wrong here. So why can't they be wrong everywhere else?

As long as we continue to send these messages without addressing the contradicting evidence, then we will always lose out. Because as a teen, you spend 7 hours a day, 5 days a week supposedly using your brain to try and figure out how the world around you works. But for some reason we're just supposed to take everything that our elders say as the truth without even questioning it.

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#33 Posted on 24.2.03 1415.26
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    Originally posted by Enojado Viento
    Seriously, I think the "truth" ads and the anti-marijuana PSA have some sort of running competition to thwart all logic and failure to appeal to the decision making processes that people on planet Earth would use.

The Turth ads would want to make me smoke(assuming I didn't know it was bad for me) just to spite them...
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#34 Posted on 24.2.03 1523.09
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Children today see grown up doing EVERYTHING they tell us that is bad.

I had an uncle who smoked pot regularly every day of the week, he was in 'Nam and brought the habit back with him... he was a good person until he was hit by a drunk driver coming home late one night.

My (bastard) father smokes about 2 pack of Camel Lights a day... A DAY. Before the shit went down with him and me, he was a good person, What made him a bastard had NOTHING to do with the smoking.

My mother,(RIP), was a hardcore alcoholic; fuck, she bought me my first pint of Guinness. She was my mom. She was the most wonderful person in the world. She never laid a hand on me, never raised her voice in anger that I can remember, and ALWAYS avoided confrontation by giving me 'THE LOOK'; it wasn't a good look or a bad look really, it was just 'THE LOOK' and when you got you knew you did something bad and she disagreed with what was happening or what you did. Now, she died of Diabetes, and while I'm sure the drinking did NOT help her in any way, it did not CAUSE her to die.

I personally, never touched alcohol, smokes, or drugs of ANY KIND until my 21st birthday. This was my chioce, I never had anyone telling me NOT to do shit all the time, and I used to crack up at the Nancy Reagan 'Just Say No!' commercials, cause even then they were stupid.

You are not gonna smoke, drink or take drugs cause people tell you NOT to, you are gonna do it cause you WANT to. You say it's gonna kill me? So what, you're gonna die anyway.
Just because something is BAD for you, does not necessarily mean you are NOT gonna do it anyway.

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#35 Posted on 24.2.03 1531.10
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    Originally Posted by DrOp
    big tobacco has done some insidious shit


Yes. Please, if you're going to smoke, only smoke small, indy cigarettes. At least then corporate fat cats won't profit of your premature death.
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#36 Posted on 24.2.03 1543.39
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"Can anyone on this board tell me that they did NOT experiment at all in either high school or college??"

I too can assure you I have never given a second thought to trying cigerettes or smoking pot. Believe it or not there are a lot of people who haven't experimented for whatever reason.
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#37 Posted on 24.2.03 1547.06
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Cerebus, that's kind of what I've been trying to say. Nobody does something "bad" just because they are told not to. They do something because they deside that it isn't as much a risk to them as it may be to others.
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#38 Posted on 24.2.03 1607.03
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    Originally posted by HrdCoreJoe
    "Can anyone on this board tell me that they did NOT experiment at all in either high school or college??"

    I too can assure you I have never given a second thought to trying cigerettes or smoking pot. Believe it or not there are a lot of people who haven't experimented for whatever reason.




Same here. In grade school all they had to do was show us the pictures of a smokers lungs, and how they are black and crusty, compared to the healthy non-smoker lungs that are pink and clean. I've never had the desire to smoke a cigarette for that and other health reasons. I've never had the desire to smoke weed or do other drugs either, even in college. The thing that baffles me is that sometimes people refuse to believe that. As if I'm some kind of weirdo because I did NOT do any drugs ever. I think that's a sad comment on society when you have to actually EXPLAIN to people why you never did drugs.

To all the NON druggies out there; don't you laugh if stoners get indignant with you and say shit like "did you ever drink coffee? or soda? well caffeine is a drug so you've DONE DRUGS". yeh. OK.

But I hate the truth people too. I hate those self rightous punkasses telling everyone what to do. Maybe it's because they've got a bunch of kids in the commercials. I think the only adult I've seen in them was the bum talking about project SCUM.
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#39 Posted on 24.2.03 1649.07
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Yeah, but the kids don't believe anything they're told in their health classes because they're also told that premarital sex can all but guarantee the AIDS virus and that smoking marijuana can kill them. They know that's bullshit, so how the they seperate the "truth" from the rest of it.

Oh, and how about alcohol? You don't think the overwhelming majority of people had their first drink before age 21?
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#40 Posted on 24.2.03 1905.56
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Haven't done that either. ;-) Not to toot my own horn, I know quite a lot of people who enjoy grandpa's cough medicine. It has just never seemed like something I'd want to do.
Sometimes I think I'm too straight edge, but then I realize oh well, I'm still happy and I drink more Coke than most Americans should in a lifetime so I more than make up for it.
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