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fuelinjected
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#1 Posted on 5.1.03 1711.37
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I'm all for people voicing their opinions and writing columns if they want but it's statements like the following that cost the writer any credibility with me.

"Just pop in that tape of Hogan slamming Andre in front of 93,000 people at WrestleMania 3, and be calm with the knowledge that no matter how many people look at Foley as a hero, he'll never be anywhere the legendary figure that Hogan is." - Mike Sempervive

Anyone who has been a wrestling fan for more then five minutes or has done the slightest bit of research into their beloved sport and doesn't take WWE's word as gospel knows that 93,000 figure is bogus.

The moral of this story is if you're going to put a column out there, at least try to do a little bit of research.
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#2 Posted on 5.1.03 1805.36
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That 93K figure is tossed around pretty frequently, even by those not obligated to toe WWE's company line. I'm more inclined to think this writer knew the attendance number was inflated, and likely assumed the majority of his readers knew the same. IMHO, this minor detail isn't enough to dash someone's cred, such as it may be.

Now, if he had claimed, say, that Rock and Brock Lesnar had never faced each other... ;)
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#3 Posted on 5.1.03 2339.13
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    Originally posted by Morningkill
    That 93K figure is tossed around pretty frequently, even by those not obligated to toe WWE's company line. I'm more inclined to think this writer knew the attendance number was inflated, and likely assumed the majority of his readers knew the same. IMHO, this minor detail isn't enough to dash someone's cred, such as it may be.

    Now, if he had claimed, say, that Rock and Brock Lesnar had never faced each other... ;)

oooh TAG.

I'm not sure the Lounge gets that much respect to begin with. Whether they deserve it or not, I hear nothing but criticism towards them.
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#4 Posted on 7.1.03 0203.19
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I'd like to let everyone know, I'm very aware that the crowd for WrestleMania 3 was inflated. It was just a way to make a point. If I'm going to lose credibility, I want it to be for something better than that. Nice try though.
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#5 Posted on 7.1.03 1209.50
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Then make your point and say that it's an inflated number. I don't buy the excuse that oh everyone knows its fake so I'll just continue the stupidity.
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#6 Posted on 7.1.03 1357.31
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He made a great point, and used the "official number" in doing it, inflated or not. Who cares? He is right that Hogan is more of a legend than Foley ever was in this buisness (as much as I love the guy). Sounds to me that you are just having an issue with that!
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#7 Posted on 7.1.03 1402.00
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Not at all. I agree with Hogan saying that Foley prostituted his body and that Hogan's a much bigger star then Foley ever was. Just because a number is "official" doesn't make it right. I just don't believe in perpetrating Vince's propaganda when the real 78,000 number is common knowledge.
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#8 Posted on 7.1.03 1457.20
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The only person to ever contradict the 93,000 WrestleMania attendance figure was Zane Bresloff, a former promoter at the Silverdome who told Dave Meltzer that the numbers were less than what the WWF claimed.

However, in what must be considered quite a coincidence, Bresloff had since began working for WCW as their events coordinator and was a WCW employee when he made that statement.

There has never been any other statement by anyone to contradict the WWF's numbers, or of anyone else stating the "common knowledge" figures of 78,000 as a fact.
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#9 Posted on 7.1.03 1728.54
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This thread has been here for a few days now, and I'm STILL in shock that anyone ever had the failure of intelligence necessary to create it.
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#10 Posted on 7.1.03 1738.44
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fuelinjected, you seem to be a little pathetic. the 93,000 number was written for effect. if someone writes about the peace festival in korea are you going to debate the size of the crowd saying it wasn't 100,000 it was only 85,000? or how about if i wrote something on hogan's weight being 300 n the 80's? are you going to say i have no credibility since it was only 275? for those who haven't seen the article, it was about how ridiculous the hogan-foley debate was getting on the torch last week - and had zero to do with the crowd size at wm3. since you are so sure of the crowd size, fuel, why don't you post the exact number it was, and what your source would be for that number. Unless it comes directly from the silverdome (which several years ago hinted that it may not have been as many as was claimed - but never said an exact amount)i wouldn't believe it carries any merit. Also, if you could pass along why this has affected you so negatively, i'd love to hear it.
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#11 Posted on 7.1.03 1744.49
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Hogan body slammed Andre?

When did that happen?

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#12 Posted on 7.1.03 1800.32
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Why have my comments affected you so negatively? You can't take a little criticism? Zane Bresloff, the Silverdome promoter showed Dave Meltzer a copy of the actual attendance figures, which were then printed in the Wrestling Observer. The real number was roughly 78,000. If you know the number is inflated, then just say "the sold-out Silverdome".

And yes, if you said Andre The Giant was 7'5" and 700 pounds or whatever they claim he was, I would laugh.

If you're so confident in your ability to convey your point, you shouldn't be all bothered by my opinion of your article.
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#13 Posted on 7.1.03 1839.02
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"the real 78,000 number is common knowledge."


If common knowledge means "known by a couple dozen dirtsheet geeks who think they know more about grapplin than 'Vance McMoon" than yes, I suppose it is common knowledge. Otherwise I don't personally see a thing wrong with "reporting" the number at 93,000, especially considering any other number is just speculation and Meltzers rumored number didn't include the wrestlers, production unit, the hundred + people who helped put the event together and possibly comps. Just me though. MAYBE if he was saying that the Bash at the Beach drew "over a hundred thousand fans" like Tony used to croon I would agree.
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#14 Posted on 7.1.03 1909.38
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    Originally posted by Jay Bower
    "the real 78,000 number is common knowledge."


    If common knowledge means "known by a couple dozen dirtsheet geeks who think they know more about grapplin than 'Vance McMoon" than yes, I suppose it is common knowledge. Otherwise I don't personally see a thing wrong with "reporting" the number at 93,000, especially considering any other number is just speculation and Meltzers rumored number didn't include the wrestlers, production unit, the hundred + people who helped put the event together and possibly comps. Just me though. MAYBE if he was saying that the Bash at the Beach drew "over a hundred thousand fans" like Tony used to croon I would agree.



That is the only response in this thread that made any sense.

Look, who the hell cares....93,000 or 78,000 that is still alot of people. I guess the only people who would really know would be the man in charge at the Silverdome. Who would like to give him a call????
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#15 Posted on 7.1.03 1949.10
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God forbid, I'm also allowed to share my opinion. Wait, that makes me a pathetic dirtsheet geek who knows everything about wrestling and hates WWE. Considering that much of the WWE locker room reads the Torch & Observer, and they both have subscription bases large enough that Keller and Meltzer make a living off them, I'm sure there's more then a dozen geeks that know the 78,000 figure. You can also add in the fact, the whole IWC revolves around information copied and pasted from those two dirtsheets.

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#16 Posted on 7.1.03 1958.13
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>You can also add in the fact, the whole IWC revolves
>around information copied and pasted from those two
>dirtsheets.

what list are YOU reading?
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#17 Posted on 8.1.03 0303.21
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    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    God forbid, I'm also allowed to share my opinion.
So you've shared it. Repeatedly. Please move on.
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#18 Posted on 8.1.03 0827.35
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fuelinjected : You can also add in the fact, the whole IWC revolves around information copied and pasted from those two dirtsheets.

then theCubsFan set me up with this:

what list are YOU reading?

THE IWC 100 of course! I KNEW I wasn't crazy putting those hacks Keller and Da Meltz that high! INFLUENCE!

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#19 Posted on 8.1.03 1042.02
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I KNEW I wasn't crazy putting those hacks Keller and Da Meltz that high! INFLUENCE!

FLEA


Maybe crazy for putting Shannon and Keith that high but not for Keller and Meltzer. ;-)

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#20 Posted on 9.1.03 0951.07
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This thread only proves that pwtorch.com writers are marks for themselves and love attention.
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