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Eddie Famous
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#1 Posted on 30.12.02 1920.49
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Each NCAA Division 1-A school will have 13 weeks to play their season...

Weeks 1-5 will be phase 1:

3 games scheduled by the individual school
1 home game randomly determined by the NCAA
1 road game randomly determined by the NCAA

Week 6 will be used to rank every team by computer 1 thru last

Weeks 7 thru 13 will be played in tourney format, winers and losers brackets run throughout the weeks.

In week 13, the two teams undefeated in the tournament meet for the national championship...

All other one-loss teams, etc, could play in what were the other bowl sites....

Surely there would be some byes in the tournament, but those would spread out....

Thoughts?
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#2 Posted on 30.12.02 2109.25
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Uh, one small problem.

The conferences would never go for it. Outside of that, I don't see any big problems with it. (Well, that and since there are 112 teams in 1-A, only 64 could conceivably make the tourney, so that means a lot of 5-game seasons for a lot of teams.)

Good effort, but I just don't see it as feasible. After all, if Buffalo gets hot, goes 5-0, and is denied a playoff spot, something's got to be twisted, eh?
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#3 Posted on 30.12.02 2124.11
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"Eddie solves the NCAA Football championship problem... "

I wasn't aware there was a problem to be solved...
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#4 Posted on 30.12.02 2216.07
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    Originally posted by TheCow
    Uh, one small problem.

    The conferences would never go for it. Outside of that, I don't see any big problems with it. (Well, that and since there are 112 teams in 1-A, only 64 could conceivably make the tourney, so that means a lot of 5-game seasons for a lot of teams.)

    Good effort, but I just don't see it as feasible. After all, if Buffalo gets hot, goes 5-0, and is denied a playoff spot, something's got to be twisted, eh?



All 112 teams would make the tourney, there would be some byes. The field (with byes) would be 128.

No team's season would end at 5. They would continue to play in consolation brackets, with chances to get to a "bowl" game if they win thru.


And, bucs, I can't help it if you aren't paying attention to what most NCAA fans and pundits are screaming about.
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#5 Posted on 30.12.02 2245.14
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A couple things:

Most of the time, the best team (or the team most deserving) comes away with the national title under the current format.

Five games (or six, I can't tell from your description) is not enough to tell which teams are for real and which ones are pretenders. And even then, rankings and seedings are still going to be subjective, so the same controversy still exists.

Does anyone really want the NCAA to become NFL junior? That is what is coming. I like things that seperate the two. I think college football should do away with overtime excpet MAYBE in the the bowls. I like how the potential of the tie used to change play calling, encourage risk taking and make the clock like an extra defender sort of. Now with a possible playoff, there will be little to seperate the two brands of football.

But the big point is that second one. No matter what you do, the same controversy will exist because there is no way to make a tiebreakers system to cover 112 teams. You "solution" accomplishes nothing but make even MORE meaningless games than there are now (the game for sixtieth place isn't really intriguing to me...).
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#6 Posted on 30.12.02 2302.29
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Bucs:

The truth is: I hate all the crap around the concept of a title game...it's as necessary as an extra hole in the head...

But. There would be hardly any controversy over a tournament that involved every eligible team.

Right now, the fallacy about conferences is that they pretend to matter on the national scene. What does the MAC title get you? In this format, all are equal.

Teams get three games to choose from. They can either play good teams to up their strengh of schedule, or patsies, or rivals to get money. The NCAA would also schedule two random games. I'll use Illinois as an example:

Illinois schedules:
at San Diego State
home vs Central Michigan
home vs Arkansas State

Three games they should have a chance to win in a good year. These would be wins that would not help out a strength of schedule. The NCAA then randomly picks two games. The Illini could get:

at Miami, Fla.
home vs Florida State

Which would highly elevate their s-o-s by force. Of course they could get two patsies.

How about the possibility of Nebraska going to Bowling Green for a game?


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#7 Posted on 31.12.02 0006.50
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I suppose that makes sense. I just love the controversy because the only thing I ever seem to be good at is arguing (and I like the seperate identities between college and pro football). But if you don't feel that way and actually proving who the best team is, then I see your format working well.
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#8 Posted on 31.12.02 0039.47
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Okay, so evidently my mental math wasn't all I thought it was.

The question is, how do you determine the byes? Do the top 16 teams in the computer rankings get byes? That would seem to make the most sense to me. Assume you break the 112 teams into 4 regions... that'd be 28 teams per region, give the top 4 seeds a bye (effectively "adding" 16 teams these seeds are assumed to beat), that'd do.

I'd definately admit that would add some enjoyment to the game - a March Madness-esque sense around it for sure.

However, the format used would probably have to be a BCS-style equation to rank all the teams (with poll rankings, SOS, etc.). On week 6, let both polls rank EVERYBODY; this way you can determine all the seedings easier. Admittedly, there'd be less fallout, since everyone gets a chance (which is your point, I suppose).

I'm still not sure what you do with the conferences, though... make those 3 scheduled games league games, let the NCAA handle the other two? There's no way it'd work unless the conferences are involved in some way.

I was also thinking of how nasty the loser's brackets could get. How would that work? There's ...26 bowls, if I remember right, meaning 52 teams - national championship eliminated, that's 50 other teams, and I'm not sure how you would pick them, other than using when they were eliminated (and drawing power).

Also, the games would have to be held in a NIT-style format, where the higher-ranked team gets homefield (at least to a point); this would probably quiet some of the powerhouses. Alternatively, you could do a coin-flip to determine, but I don't think that, say, Notre Dame would be too happy about traveling to USF for a game when they can pull in far more revenue at home.

Ultimately, it's just reworking the system so the true national champion is crowned - something that really hasn't been much of a problem with the BCS.
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#9 Posted on 31.12.02 0134.38
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it would never happen. 2 schools sued the NCAA back in the 80's because the NCAA was an evil illegal orginzation and won...so they would have to go back to the NCAA and admit defeat. and the top 6 confs wouldn't want to let go of their dominance of the BCS system.

yeah, technially, a non top 6 conf school can make the BCS games, but it's never happenened yet (and ND is part of the BCS, so they don't count)
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#10 Posted on 2.1.03 1131.48
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I don't think you have to do anything so complex as a tournament with every team. Simply have a tournament of 16 teams, with every conference champion (no matter how rinky-dink some may consider the conference) allowed an automatic bid. Round out the field with at-large births determined by a committee (not unlike the basketball tournament), and play on. Sure, there would be a little controversy over the at-large teams, but a team really couldn't complain too much because had they taken care of business on the field, they would have won the conference. And all 118 teams would have a shot (which is the only way to have a legitimate national champion). This is not that hard, it's what they do for D-IAA, D-II, and D-III.

But keep in mind, this, nor any other true playoff format is going to happen. The conferences and school presidents don't want it, so it's not happening. The last suggestion I heard that was actually being considered was doing the BCS poll again after all the bowl games are played, and placing the top two in a one-game playoff. Seems kind of pointless to me (I mean, it's really just doing what they are doing now, just with one extra game in the mix).
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#11 Posted on 2.1.03 1405.55
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Your tournament is scheduled for 13 weeks, with a bye or two thrown in during the course. So if this was to happen in 2003, that would mean, if Week 1 was the first weekend in September, that the bowl games would be played on the Saturday after Thanksgiving? Or would they still be played right around the New Year? The huge selling points for this tournament are timing, location, and money.

1. Timing - Evidentally it IS possible for a team to completely forget how to play football in the span of five weeks (or even in the span of a halftime >:( ). The month-long break is gone, since games are played only once a week, meaning you can have the first round in November, but not have the title game until January 1st. That is a long-ass tournament. Also, if Ohio State can't work out scheduling with Michigan during the first three weeks, does that rivalry die? Or would the NCAA attempt to make that one of its mandatory games? Even so, that's a lot of rivalries to fit in before a tournament started.

2. Location - How would home field during the tourney be determined? Would every single college have to have Homecoming by Week 5? That's a lot of money for the travelling boosters to spend, meaning the alumni with money get to see more games than the people who are actually at the school. I do like the idea of keeping the National Title game in a bowl, and using the others as consolation rounds.


3. Money - Losing rivalries and losing home games all add up to losing money, and that is one thing universities do not like. I know the State College hotels have been booked for Homecoming '03 since Homecoming '02. If they lose home games, they're losing lots of reservations, meaning they would have to jack up rates to make up for it, so it would cost even more for Joe E Fan to travel to see his alma mater play. Bowl payoffs might make up for this, but if there's no guarantee you're getting a bowl game near the end if you have 2 losses, that's a huge blow to the university pocketbook.


The closest we're going to get to a true playoff is conference tourneys in all Big Six conferences. That may happen if Miami blows out OSU and Iowa romps USC. 'Til then, I'll keep holding my breath.
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#12 Posted on 2.1.03 1531.39
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My personal solution would be to do away with the whole idea of a "National Champion." The games are too far apart to make a Basketball-style NCAA Championship tourney feasible. And honestly, what was wrong with the bowl system before this whole nonesense started? Now the big bowls have no meaning left, the little bowls are even more meaningless, and nothing really comes from having a "National Champion" anyway.
Go back to the old bowls. Then, if two teams at the top of the heap after the bowls are over want to have a grudge match to prove who is better, have a "College Bowl" game in mid January and let them go at it. Make some money.
The BCS is a half-ass solution to a problem that never really existed in the first place, in my opinion...
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#13 Posted on 4.1.03 1854.50
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too bad that game was so good and so close between UM and OSU, because it just vindicated the BCS and how 2 undefeated teams were so good they needed 2 ot's...


a playoff will never happen now

BCS Will Weigh Options, but Playoff Seems Unlikely


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