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#21 Posted on 31.12.02 1534.40
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    Originally posted by Captain Ferret
    Who should be number one then senor redsox?









I'd slide everyone else on the list up one, and then slot Hyatte behind CRZ and Keith.
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#22 Posted on 31.12.02 1836.38
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I've never liked Hyatte's Mop-Ups, but thought his "And Another Thing..." articles were excellent.

Erik Ashley (aka Vizh & N0Soul) should be Top 30 at lowest. ScoopThis was a great parody site.

Scherer should rank higher than Ryder.

Rippa should rank above the tOA boys.

And where the hell is Zoogz Rift?

(edited by Mild Mannered Madman on 31.12.02 1639)
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#23 Posted on 31.12.02 2109.34
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    Originally posted by DEAN RASMUSSEN
    Dean should be top 10 but not as high as CRZ.
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    DR: CRZ wants to lord it over me like a Superbowl trophy. WAIT'LL NEXT YEAR! WHY ARE WE RANKED?! NEXT YEAR!

    Sean Shannon should be top 3. For those of you who missed the classic breakdowns on Delphi, you missed a lot. It was riveting in a pathetic sort of way. He put Hyatte on the map and made him what he is.
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    DR: Sean Shannon should #1-25. God, when he was completely losing what was left of his grasp of reality, he manically vomited the greatest stuff ever written on the internet. Who could forget the poetry on Seanshannon.org or the stories about going to parties with theatre people? I wanted to drive to whereever he was and hug him and tell that everything was going to be okay. And how was his musical career and how much would you have paid for mp3s of those songs? I don't think they print that much money.

    DEAN.



The day he hijacked rs.com, held the domain hostage, and eventually stuck SK with the bills was pure gold. You will never find anything that good on the Internet no matter how hard you try. I remember the Power Puff Girl rants, Popples, him whining about nobody wanting to chat about Iron Chef. Those were the days.

I would have given up PAYCHECKS to hear mp3s of those song.

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#24 Posted on 1.1.03 0259.04
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I really caught the tail end of the Sean Shannon Era, but the thing I most remember is going to Rantsylvania one day, only to find an essay about how Shannon had been raped when he was young, or something. I laughed my ass off. Boy, I really wish I would have been part of the Delphi forum.

Anyway, I think Flea and Hyatte are the same person. Flea was "introduced" in one of Hyattes columns, and pretty soon, Flea was writing regularly, while Hyattes columns were slacking.
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#25 Posted on 1.1.03 1047.01
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Happy New Year! This is Flea and let’s hope I have this figured out…starting with the King…

CRZ: Okay, NOW I *think* I fixed all his spelling errors. ;-) – CRZ

If I wanted to edit I would have kept working. ;-)…but thanks for posting this. I messed up a few times but if RVD can still have a job with all the moves * he’s * blown, I think I’m okay with two 25’s. And the reason why I didn’t just come out and say “Carrie Messantonio” is…oh nevermind. It would have made more sense if you included the second part of my statement about her – “And don’t tell me who it is- respect her wishes…”. But then that would have not made sense when you proved how smart you are! YOU! YOU! YOU!

Pieman: Only bone to pick: Dean's not in the Top 10! Nor Scaia. I think I would have put Dean up there over Shannon.

Top 10 was jam packed. I had to put Widro and Ashish up there or I would have never heard the end of it – not that it negates the fact that they are taking control of everything. If Scaia would not have went ape-shit with his wishy-washiness when he worked for Wrestleline, I might have put him higher. He’s definitely better on his own.

TheCubsFan: You know, between this (and a lot more) reading a bunch of James' new Historical Abstract over my vacation, I'm starting to really notice the "bottom of top 100 lists = eh people" (I'm specifically talking about Christ here), but this does make the Max Bishop of whatever.
I actually thought about this - bored - and guessed I'd end up somewhere around here, so it makes sense abstractly. But in context...hahaha NO.


I read this post about forty times and with all due respect, I don’t know what in the fuck you are talking about. But in regards to Seadawg – you are right. One of the names I forgot. Bummer.

MARTYEWR: Ultimate Warrior, Honky Tonk Man, and Lance Storm are all on the list, but Chris Jericho isn't???

To hell with Jericho. All he did was the message board equivalent of “trolling”. Now he is the Internet’s “friend” again. Fangol.

Redsoxnation: Hyatt being 1 is a joke. Top 10 yes, 1 no.
Sean Shannon being near the top 10 is a joke. The only reason anyone went to Rantsylvania was for Keith, and to the nwwwo was for other writers.
Scaia probably should be Top 10, and since he didn't leave the net he should be ahead of Samuda.


Joke? I ain’t funny. Re: Shannon, you will see in later messages how much he meant to people – first class nutjob. I would have rated him higher, but I knew Hyatte was Number One and putting Shannon at #10 just seemed balanced in a cosmic sort of way. And leaving the net has nothing to do with placement. Samuda was a pioneer.

Spf2119: I have no problem with Shannon in the top 10. The only issue I have is that I would have dropped Ashish and Widro (blatant homerism!) from the top 10 in order to elevate Scaia and Kunze. Herb was a defining voice in the early days, and really still is the patron saint of smarks everywhere :)

Homerism? I sure hope you ain’t calling them fags, because that would not be nice…or true. Scaia is just fine where is is, for reasons stated above and my opinion of Herb changed drastically when he did not put Scaia in his place all those years ago. Smarks idolize Meltzer nowadays. And Netcop. Speaking of Netcop…

Rspwfaq: No point in debating a list of the guy's opinions on internet writers, but I'd have to point out that he neglected both RealDeal of WrestleCrap fame and Sushi-X, two writers who were (and still are in RD's case) far more influential than many of the people on the list.Forgetting Sushi-X I can kinda see, but RD? Yikes.

This “guy” is Flea, fellow 411writer, and I’m not surprised at the brush off – not that we can say anything “bad” about you, due to an executive order from the Bosses when you complain that Hyatte is picking on you – but you are correct about RealDeal. I wouldn’t have put him any higher than 75, just because I do not think that telling the IWC that the "Cactus with Amnesia" angle was stupid is all that spectacular. You can find that on any message board. As far as Sushi-X, I didn’t forget, I just didn’t include.

Big Bad: Bill Milano should've been higher. DDT Digest was one of the best and funniest wrestling webpages of all time. Also, John Petrie got screwed. For years, he, CRZ and Hyatte were THE must-read Monday recaps.

You might have a point there about Milano. In retrospect, I would switch him with Dillard. And maybe put Petrie higher, not based on his Monday recaps, but on his columns at nwwwo. Hindsight’s 50/50. Same goes for the next few post in this thread…higher and higher and higher. No way Meltzer cracks the top 5, just because his site is nothing more than a pimp vehicle for his newsletter. Only reason he is in the top 10 is because everyone steals from said newsletter.

Cerebus: I've been reading 411 for a while now, and I've been wondering about something... are Hyatte and Flea the same person? They use the same writing style and sentence structure, and they both have little quirks about thier style that just makes me think this.

and also on this subject…

BX: Anyway, I think Flea and Hyatte are the same person. Flea was "introduced" in one of Hyattes columns, and pretty soon, Flea was writing regularly, while Hyattes columns were slacking.

Once again, I ain’t Hyatte. And our writing styles are nothing similar. He writes, I type. Besides, I would never be caught dead in Rhode Island and if he was me, that means he would live in Florida – which would never work. Even the alligator’s down here would call him “cocksucker”.

Back to another point Cerebus brought up…

Cerebus: Hey, I just noticed that Jim Ross isn't listed. Shouldn't he be at least in the top 20 for his weekly Ross Report, which EVERYONE and thier mother reads every friday with out fail.

Good Ol’ JR has made his disdain for the IWC very obvious so fuck him and his stupid hat. The only reason he even bothers to post a Ross Report on line is because the WWF(E) finally realized that no one in their right minds would pay $1.99 a minute for a phone report, when a dude like Micasa would just transcribe the details and post them online. Not that I blame them for adapting to the growing Internet scene, but JR treats the Internet like it’s a bunch of overcritical queers who know how to type and make up rumors. So no, he ain’t on the list.

Hey! MR. #14 has a few things to say!!

DEAN RASMUSSEN: Sean Shannon should #1-25. God, when he was completely losing what was left of his grasp of reality, he manically vomited the greatest stuff ever written on the internet. Who could forget the poetry on Seanshannon.org or the stories about going to parties with theatre people? I wanted to drive to whereever he was and hug him and tell that everything was going to be okay. And how was his musical career and how much would you have paid for mp3s of those songs? I don't think they print that much money.

This is what I mean about Sean Shannon. As DEAN points out, his stuff was amazingly and beautifully fucked up. Seriously, if you have only heard rumors about the guy, go do a Google search – what a nutjob.

DEAN also said this

DEAN RUSMUSSEN: And who is this Eric S guy and what general principal of his did I violate?

in response to this

Bullitt: And apparently Eric S. at 411 isn't too happy with being ranked below Dean, either.

"I'll only bitch about three people above me: The Prick and Rasmussen on general principle, and Samuda on the fact that I was the one who killed his style of wrestling news presentation forever."


Eric writes news columns at 411wrestling.com on Tuesday and Wednesday! Go check him out…I’m sure you guys would get along juuuuust fine. As far as the general principle thing, you would have to ask him.

Redsoxnation has an idea on how he would have out the list together…

redsoxnation: I'd slide everyone else on the list up one, and then slot Hyatte behind CRZ and Keith.

Nah, I think the top 10 is pretty accurate.

I think that about covers it. Thanks to everyone for the comments and hope you enjoyed the list.

FLEA

QUICK EDIT: There is a thread over in Delphi about the list. The reason I tell you this here is because Seadawg has a rule that you have to be registered 24 HOURS before you can join the fun. I ain't that patient. I just want to say to the FOUR people that are busting my balls - THANKS FOR THE NICE EMAILS and nice to see a little hypocrisy going a long way.

FLEA



(edited by RYDER FAKIN on 1.1.03 2124)
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#26 Posted on 1.1.03 1625.34
Reposted on: 1.1.10 1629.01
    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN


    Back to another point Cerebus brought up…

    Cerebus: Hey, I just noticed that Jim Ross isn't listed. Shouldn't he be at least in the top 20 for his weekly Ross Report, which EVERYONE and thier mother reads every friday with out fail.

    Good Ol’ JR has made his disdain for the IWC very obvious so fuck him and his stupid hat. The only reason he even bothers to post a Ross Report on line is because the WWF(E) finally realized that no one in their right minds would pay $1.99 a minute for a phone report, when a dude like Micasa would just transcribe the details and post them online. Not that I blame them for adapting to the growing Internet scene, but JR treats the Internet like it’s a bunch of overcritical queers who know how to type and make up rumors. So no, he ain’t on the list.




Well said. The Ross Report is about as informative and unbiased as Der Sturmer.



(edited by NickBockwinkelFan on 1.1.03 1727)
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#27 Posted on 1.1.03 2048.59
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But what about all the material the Ross Report has provided for Zenk's rants? His detail of Ross' hatred of Rob Van Dam through Ross Report comments is priceless.
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#28 Posted on 2.1.03 0748.50
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Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN:

This is what I mean about Sean Shannon. As DEAN points out, his stuff was amazingly and beautifully fucked up. Seriously, if you have only heard rumors about the guy, go do a Google search – what a nutjob.

______________________________________________________


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#29 Posted on 2.1.03 1053.36
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    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
    Once again, I ain’t Hyatte. And our writing styles are nothing similar. He writes, I type. Besides, I would never be caught dead in Rhode Island and if he was me, that means he would live in Florida – which would never work. Even the alligator’s down here would call him “cocksucker”.


I know a secret... but I ain't telling. ARGH! Damn next of kin!!!
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#30 Posted on 2.1.03 1200.08
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The two best things about the list are that

A) I am 62 spots ahead of Schneider
B) Schneider's name is spelled wrong

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#31 Posted on 2.1.03 1241.15
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I really can't believe that Tommy Fierro is on the list at all. Was being a mark for yourself to the point of insanity one of the criteria for inclusion?

And as to Flea's response for Keith:

OH TAG! Color him biatch-slapped!
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#32 Posted on 2.1.03 1554.28
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>QUICK EDIT: There is a thread over in Delphi about the list.

See what I said about consquences?
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#33 Posted on 2.1.03 1619.25
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But I voted for Sting....
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#34 Posted on 3.1.03 0258.50
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Really Flea, are there TWO Alvarez's?
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#35 Posted on 3.1.03 0928.39
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Ryder Fakin: Top 10 was jam packed. I had to put Widro and Ashish up there or I would have never heard the end of it – not that it negates the fact that they are taking control of everything.

They shouldn't be Top 10 until they can keep 411's site up for more than 3 days without a server crash or change.

;-)

In all seriousness I think you could slide CRZ up to #4 and drop everyone else down a spot. You could also put Samuda in the top 10 and drop either Keith or Shannon. The top 3 is dead on, even if some people have strong hatred for those guys. As for me I've always liked Hyatte, Ryder I tolerate more than I used to, and Scherer I like alot less than I used to.

(edited by BOSsportsfan34 on 3.1.03 1043)
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#36 Posted on 3.1.03 2021.11
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I'm rewriting this very briefly, because my fiancee's computer ate the post I originally wrote.

1. Could someone please post or private-message me a link to the Delphi forum? I am going through a bout of stupid and can't find it.

2. I was just surprised as hell to see my name on the list. Again, thanks for the thumbs-up, Flea, and thanks to everyone who reads the columns.

3. I, too, would have liked to see RD Reynolds on the list, because I do think that he's influential in a comparative way. For instance, when I see something really bad on current WWE TV (Katie Vick... Al Wilson/Dawn), I boot up my WrestleCrap CD-rom. It puts a lot of things in perspective, and it puts me in a better mood. Because of this, I am much more likely to enjoy the next WWE show I see, because I'm not seething with frustration about the last one. I think RD's catalogue of information influences a lot of people to be more tolerant of current WWE programming, and also much more aware of the myriad sucky possibilities out there.

4. Flea, when you're done digging through the flame mail about your Top 100 list, dig through the pile of spam and shoot me a response to that email I sent you.
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#37 Posted on 3.1.03 2326.06
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I dunno if this is the one Flea's talking about (Delphi is a big and scary place) but, hey, look at me attempt to be funny:

http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=seadawg&msg=3422.1

(edited by thecubsfan on 3.1.03 2326)
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#38 Posted on 4.1.03 0638.39
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    Originally posted by evilwaldo
    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN:

    This is what I mean about Sean Shannon. As DEAN points out, his stuff was amazingly and beautifully fucked up. Seriously, if you have only heard rumors about the guy, go do a Google search – what a nutjob.

    ______________________________________________________


    For those of you who care, the search works best under the Groups tab.



Sadly, Sean isn't the nuttiest guy to legit come out of rec.sport-.pro-wrestling. It would have to be a guy with the initials M.F., calling himself the "Electric Youth Renegade". I recall reading the guy's posted in the mid 90s, and was perplexed by how he'd relate wrestling angles to the goings on in the life of one Debbie Gibson.

A few years later, he was arrested for stalking her.
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#39 Posted on 4.1.03 1552.12
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Lol, HomerJ. Thanks, Cubs.

Man, those people in the Delphi forum are pissed. I really wish I could just get them all a beer.
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#40 Posted on 4.1.03 1556.52
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    Originally posted by Jeb Tennyson Lund
    Lol, HomerJ. Thanks, Cubs.

    Man, those people in the Delphi forum are pissed. I really wish I could just get them all a beer.



You'd have to wait about 8 years for it to be legal with most of them...

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