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#1 Posted on 17.12.02 1857.39
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So, this is their rotation -- RIGHT NOW.

Millwood
Hampton
Ortiz
Byrd
Smoltz???

Whither Greg Maddux?
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#2 Posted on 17.12.02 1947.43
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Maddux will probably take arbitration, go for an 18 million one year hit, then see if the market is better next year.
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#3 Posted on 18.12.02 0217.39
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Well if it's not Maddux in their rotation then the five spot will be Jason Marquis, unless they dealt him like they did Moss and I didn't hear about it. This would leave Smoltz at closer.

ACTUALLY, according to one of the Sportscenter gusy, don't remember who, they will bring back Maddux for one year and have...
Maddux
Hampton
Ortiz
Byrd
Marquis

Then they will trade Milwood to try and get some offensive help at first or third.
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#4 Posted on 18.12.02 0608.32
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Please please please PLEASE let them think for David Segui for Kevin Millwood is a good idea(crosses fingers in vain misguided hope)
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#5 Posted on 18.12.02 2217.35
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*sigh* I thought I was staying on top of things this offseason, too....

Where'd Moss end up?
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#6 Posted on 19.12.02 0616.09
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    Originally posted by TheCow
    Where'd Moss end up?


San Francisco in the Russ Ortiz trade...
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#7 Posted on 19.12.02 1412.03
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Maddux just got arbitration and will probably sign a 1 Year, 18 million dollar deal.

Millwood will probably be traded for infield help,probably a first baseman. The Braves hadn't had a solid first baseman since Andres Gallaraga left.
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#8 Posted on 19.12.02 2236.40
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And not having a decent first baseman since Andres Galarraga hasn't stopped them from winning a division, so I kind of doubt they'll move their bread-and-butter (starting pitching) for one of the very few first basemen on the market.

Also remember that Millwood's season was his big huge bounce-back that they needed and he is again the future ace, and "the future" is after next season.

This also ignores that Fred McGriff is still out there and Atlanta and Los Angeles appear his likeliest destinations, then you have to consider that Shawn Green has told the Dodgers he'll play first base if they want him to, a very noble move from a very Jewish man.

So McGriff back in Atlanta (he wants a one-year deal, they could probably swing it) seems as likely as anything right now, and the fact that he hasn't slowed down much at all and is still a durable player gives them a one-year rental with power that could hit, what, sixth for them? Not bad (if it happens).

Or -- OR -- they could dig up Greg Brock or Hal Morris, because it doesn't seem to matter who the stupid first baseman is for the Braves.
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#9 Posted on 20.12.02 0853.53
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I have been reading of the Braves' interest in Nick Johnson...Millwood in da pinstripes?



Oooooh....
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#10 Posted on 20.12.02 1219.12
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    Originally posted by jfkfc
    I have been reading of the Braves' interest in Nick Johnson...Millwood in da pinstripes?



    Oooooh....



Yeah, Philly pinstripes!
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#11 Posted on 20.12.02 1435.45
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And for a freakin backup catcher!!! Arggh...as a big time braves fan since '84 more or less, I really don't know what are they doing with the rotation. Seeing Tommy G in a Mets uniform was something that gave me nightmares, now they trade Millwood to the Phillies, two of our best pitchers traded to teams in the same division...my god. The first move i would've done is to fire Bobby Cox ass, he's good...not great, but in the playoffs he always messes with the lineup and chemestry and fucks it up badly.

Here's hoping Hampton gets out of his funk, Byrd and Ortiz have decent years, Maddux wins 20 so he can up his free agent value, Smoltzie breaks the save record and that some how...we dump Javy Lopez ass to the Oriols for Pudge Rodriguez when they sign him.
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#12 Posted on 20.12.02 1628.10
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Remember the good old days when teams didn't trade with their division rivals, regardless of them perhaps offering the better deal?

Trading Millwood to the Phils (for a bag of balls) is just silly.

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#13 Posted on 20.12.02 2236.02
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I would like to apologize for my logic from earlier and give full credit to the retarded Atlanta Braves for proving me entirely wrong.
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#14 Posted on 21.12.02 2331.39
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    Originally posted by MedallaGuy
    And for a freakin backup catcher!!!

But later on...

    Also originally posted by MedallaGuy
    ...some how...we dump Javy Lopez ass to the Oriols for Pudge Rodriguez when they sign him.


Sounds like you traded Millwood for your 2004 catcher. Doesn't sound like they'll bring Javy back after next season.
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#15 Posted on 22.12.02 1241.36
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Millwood for Estrada?

Has the Cincinnati Bengals' higher-ups been infiltrating the Braves' organization, or what?

This season will be entertaining, to say the least....

....if you're hoping to enjoy the Braves collapse.
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#16 Posted on 22.12.02 1425.45
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    Originally posted by TheCow
    Millwood for Estrada?

    Has the Cincinnati Bengals' higher-ups been infiltrating the Braves' organization, or what?

    This season will be entertaining, to say the least....

    ....if you're hoping to enjoy the Braves collapse.



Well i don't know about all that. Sure the Milwood deal was dumb and the Phillies and Mets have both improved their teams, but it's not like the Braves are going to collapse. They still have a pretty good pitching staff, I think Hampton will bounce back this year especially. They still have the best offensive outfield in the Majors and their infield may not be awesome but they atleast now how to do their job.

Wait, why am I defending the Braves? They suck! Go Mets!
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#17 Posted on 22.12.02 1556.53
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It's called economics. The Braves cannot afford Millwood this year since he's arbi-eligible. They had no choice.

Baseball trades aren't always about how good the players involved are. Sometimes, it's about adjusting your team's payroll according to the league's restrictions.
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#18 Posted on 23.12.02 0036.51
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This is just what I heard so i don't know if it's true. But when the Braves were making their decisions they were planning on a worst case scenario, meaning assuming Maddux wouldn't accept arbitration. So they went out and got a pitching staff of...
Milwood
Hampton
Ortiz
Byrd
Marquis

Then Maddux DID decide to take arbitration so they a) had 6 starting pitchers b) didn't have enough money. So then Milwood was the only option. Of course they still could've tried getting something better for him couldn't they?
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#19 Posted on 24.12.02 1305.16
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Exactly, Quezzy. My problem wasn't with them trading away Millwood. My problem was that they traded Millwood away for questionable (at best) talent, when I'm reasonably sure that they could've gotten more for him somewhere else.

I'm not entirely sold on Hampton returning to spectacular form immediately upon hitting Turner Field. To be sure, I've seen Leo Mazzone pull some pretty good jobs with basically nothing (see the Braves' bullpens), so if Hampton is still struggling halfway through the season, I'll be surprised.

I think Rob Neyer said it best: before this trade, the Braves had an impending hole at catcher, a hole at first, and a gaping hole at third. After the trade, they had an impending hole at catcher, a hole at first, and a gaping hole at third. All economics aside, this is all that I meant.

...You're also going to have a hard time convincing me that Ted Turner's going to be short of money anytime in the near future.

Wait, now why am I defending the Braves? Go Mets!
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