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#1 Posted on 19.11.02 1745.56
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From CompuServe's Side-Bar:

Respected Atlantic Monthly correspondent William Langewiesche has written a new book titled "American Ground: Unbuilding the World Trade Center" in which he levels a formidable accusation at the revered New York City Fire Department: He claims that before the Twin Towers fell, firefighters looted the World Trade Center.

In one of the book's passages, he says that dozens of pairs of jeans from The Gap--still tagged and folded--were found stacked inside the cab of a Ladder Co. 4 fire truck that was pulled from the rubble. All of the firefighters from Ladder Co. 4 died on 9/11. He also claims that one office building near Ground Zero was "systematically rifled for valuables." Them's fightin' words. About 150 uniformed firefighters and widows of firefighters killed on September 11 demonstrated outside New York City's South Street Seaport Museum on Monday night where Langewiesche was signing books. They chanted "Liar! Liar!" and distributed a letter from Fire Commissioner Nicholas Scoppetta that accuses the author of "tarnishing the memory of our city's heroes with foolish, absurd, and unfounded accusations," reports The Associated Press.

Describing the demonstrators as "the boiling-mad Bravest," The New York Post reports that some fire officials assert the goods were blown into the truck from the extreme force of the collapse of buildings. Marian Fontana, who lost her Ladder 4 firefighter husband David on September 11, told The Post, "I think it's disgusting what [Langewiesche] is doing. He's lying."
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#2 Posted on 19.11.02 1749.18
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OoooooK..... looting firemen... now I have heard it all....
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#3 Posted on 19.11.02 2343.05
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I think it's kind of indisputable that looting did take place. It's just a matter of "who dun it". Firemen and Policemen and construction workers and rescue workers are human just like everyone else and are capable of having a few rotten apples in their ranks who would take advantage of that kind of opportunity. But with their new hero status anyone who would suggest a few of them were looters gets called a liar or is accused of insulting the families of the victims. Looting did take place. It's not an issue to me who looted and the fact that some people did loot does not diminsh the heroic efforts of all those firemen, cops, and other rescue workers who rushed to the scene that morning.
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#4 Posted on 20.11.02 0023.04
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Hey, if the Gap was gonna burn anyway, I wouldn't feel too bad about snagging some free clothes. What would make me angry is if someone took the time to snag some free goodies instead of saving lives. That would piss me off. Besides that, if I was retreating from a mall that was about to burn to the ground and spied some undamaged jeans, I wouldn't have a second thought about grabbing them. I doubt any of them would be in my size, or pants that I would want to wear, but then they'd just all end up at Salvation Army.

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#5 Posted on 20.11.02 0934.50
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Interesting side note: I have a friend who was manager of that GAP. She's now working for the NBA store in midtown, which means every once in a while I get free Knick and (more often) Liberty tickets. New York is all about the hookup baby.

Anyway, that story has been in the local news here for a while. My view is that probably there were some shennanigans (the mob managed to cart away a ton of scrap metal from the site), as there will be in any job that big in the city. Is it really necessary to point out though? That's a different question. I mean, what good does that do anyone?


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#6 Posted on 20.11.02 1019.23
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    Originally posted by Jaguar
    Hey, if the Gap was gonna burn anyway, I wouldn't feel too bad about snagging some free clothes.
So that makes it OK? If everyone grabbed a labtop from a person's desk on their way out, that's cool too? How about on the way out, you grab the money from the Gap register? Why not? Its going to burn anyway, right?

Do you think that the firefighters who took the jeans knew, without a shadow of a doubt, that the building was coming down?

Don't get me wrong, I am not all for slinging mud or casting shadows on heroic people that gave their lives, but you can't say it's anyones right to take what ain't theirs.

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#7 Posted on 20.11.02 1220.15
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Hey, I was just trying to point out how morally ambiguous I truly am. Yes, stealing is wrong. But when the theft doesn't actually affect anyone, such as with the burning Gap, or stealing cable (just kidding Guru) I couldn't really care.

-Jag

But maybe that's just me.
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