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#1 Posted on 15.11.02 1322.21
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I just read Meltzer Friday update where he wrote, "Let's just say that Sunday won't be Shawn's last match." If that isn't a veiled reference to Michaels winning the World Title, I don't know what is.

The last time the WWF was stupid enough to put the title on him, he walked around saying he wouldn't lay down for anyone in the promotion, and even after he had a back that was fucked up six ways from Sunday, he was still saying he wouldn't put Austin over and had to be convined to do it by threats from the Undertaker (who promised him a "very long night").

If Michaels wins it's just another step backwards in a long series of them. Booker T or Chris Jericho is the answer, Michaels isn't.
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#2 Posted on 15.11.02 1341.30
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    Originally posted by joecollins
    I just read Meltzer Friday update where he wrote, "Let's just say that Sunday won't be Shawn's last match." If that isn't a veiled reference to Michaels winning the World Title, I don't know what is.

    The last time the WWF was stupid enough to put the title on him, he walked around saying he wouldn't lay down for anyone in the promotion, and even after he had a back that was fucked up six ways from Sunday, he was still saying he wouldn't put Austin over and had to be convined to do it by threats from the Undertaker (who promised him a "very long night").

    If Michaels wins it's just another step backwards in a long series of them. Booker T or Chris Jericho is the answer, Michaels isn't.



Shawn is probably the most over guy in the match and chances are he won't be around all that much longer. So give him the belt now while they can. Besides he found God.
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#3 Posted on 15.11.02 1344.02
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You know, I'm not a fan of politics, but if HBK just happened to have a relapse into his back problems, and he just happened to not be able to job to HHH at the December PPV, I wouldn't hold it against him.
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#4 Posted on 15.11.02 1346.24
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Why would they put the title on a guy who can't work a regular TV schedule let alone a house show schedule?

I'd love to see Shawn double cross Hunter and not job the title to him. How fitting would that be?
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#5 Posted on 15.11.02 1351.14
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Did Shawn really say that he wasn't gonna put Austin over? And Mark Calloway convinced him to do it? Probably by holding himself up as an example of unselfishness, no doubt.
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#6 Posted on 15.11.02 1410.24
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    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    Did Shawn really say that he wasn't gonna put Austin over? And Mark Calloway convinced him to do it? Probably by holding himself up as an example of unselfishness, no doubt.


This was the rumor at the time, although it's hard take it seriously when looking at what was going on around WM14.

HBK was pretty much done by that point. If anything, he probably wanted to just not have the match, but he used that excuse last year so he wanted to actually perform this time and go out with a bang.

Steve Austin was plowing through everyone in the WWF at the time and there was no doubt that he was "The Man." Even Shawn Michaels had to realize that.

So, with Shawn Michaels having one last match against the biggest star in the WWF at a high-profile event featuring Mike Tyson, it was kind of hard to not want to lose. It was the only way for him to go out, really, and gain the respect and admiration of everyone he ever worked with. Except Bret.

Taking all of that into consideration, it's hard for me to buy that Michaels didn't know that WM14 would be his last match as a regular performer and I don't think there was any way, logically, for Shawn to win that one except to out-perform his opponent yet still lose the match. I think that job solidified his status as a well-respected face going into his Commissionership and subsequent return this year.

Of course, Michaels pissed that all away by coming back this year. He did prove that he can still work a great match, but I really wish he just closed his legacy on a high note. I guess his family (and God) really needed the money.

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#7 Posted on 15.11.02 1416.11
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Ah speculation, I love it! Everyone assumes Shawn can't work a "regular schedule". What exactly defines a regular schedule? House shows? Rocky hardly ever worked house shows on his last run this summer. Anyone know how many TV tapings he actually wrestled on?
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#8 Posted on 15.11.02 1437.30
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If Shawn gets it and puts on matches like he used to and like he did this year, what's the problem (if he can of course)?
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#9 Posted on 15.11.02 1439.26
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Hell, they put the title back on Hogan.

Steiner can fued with HBK and destroy him at the next PPV.

Then Hunter will beat Steiner a few months later, and then beat Brock at Wrestlemania!

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#10 Posted on 15.11.02 1505.20
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C'mooooon Booker....

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#11 Posted on 15.11.02 1618.22
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The story goes that Michaels was looking for a way out of "doing the honors" at WMXIV. It wasn't that Undertaker talked him into doing because he was such a great example (although I'd argue he was in 1998), but that he insisted Michaels would be in for a long night if he didn't. I'm assuming the meaning there is that Austin would give Michaels several stiff shots to the back during the match and generally make his life miserable the entire time they were out there.

I do believe this story (Michaels giving static about doing the J-O-B and Undertaker telling him he'd be in for a long night if he didn't) was CONFIRMED on Meltzer's show a few years back, I think by Jim Cornette who would have been backstage (but who, also, has lost no love for Micahels and the rest of the Clique).

As far as it being plausible, I can totally see Michaels not wanting to do the job and bitching about it even though he knew he was finished, but I would also think that if he did, he would know that such bitching on his part was going to be an empty, futile effort at best. EVERYONE knew that Austin was getting the World title on that night.


    Originally posted by Scott Summets
    If Shawn gets it and puts on matches like he used to and like he did this year, what's the problem (if he can of course)?


He put on ONE MATCH, a garbagy match at that. I just watched it a few nights ago and would also argue that he was carried by HHH. It was not Michaels from 1996 or even 1998 for that matter. It was a guy with a bad back who's limitations were being masked by the garbage brawling.

Further, if HHH would bump for RVD, Kane and Booker the way he did in that match, I'd have no problem with him holding the world title. But he ONLY CHOOSES TO SELL FOR HIS FRIENDS, which is why his last two matches have been crap.

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#12 Posted on 16.11.02 1542.33
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Maybe there'll be a double screwjob on HBK and HHH? Probably not but as a Bret Hart fan, I'd certainly enjoy it.
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#13 Posted on 16.11.02 1545.28
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Undertaker confirmed the story on Off The Record (TSN) before WrestleMania. He was waiting behind the curtain for Michaels if he did anything wrong.

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#14 Posted on 16.11.02 2351.40
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Who knows, though, how serious Michaels was? A lot of people need a little extra hand-holding before 1) getting married; 2) a major business deal; or 3) doing the job in the biggest match in your career.

All that really matters is that HBK did the job. He did the job in the biggest, most high profile match of his entire career. And that job helped propel Austin to superstardom. How many legends of wrestling can say that they did the job in the biggest match of their careers? Andre. HBK. And the list pretty much stops there....

HBK passed the Torch. He wrestled a pretty damn good match when he shouldn't have wrestled at all.
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#15 Posted on 17.11.02 0319.51
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Where is the love for HBK? Apparently not here. Look, the guy was/is THE MAN. Nobody could work matches in their prime like HBK. His backstage rep is always brought up as a detraction, but unless it interfered in his matches, I'd say who cares? There was only 2 times I remember him throwing tantrums in public (at Summerslam v. Vader and at IYH: Beware of Dog), but as long as he kept those great matches a-coming, all was forgiven.

HBK does what he does for all of us. Remember Summerslam? Remember "I love each and every one of you"? I do. That moment made the match for me.
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