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#1 Posted on 14.11.02 2141.23
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Blatantly stolen from somebody else:

"According to the Torch, Vince McMahon is actually considering having Big Show beat Brock Lesnar for the WWE title so they can extend the feud for another month and presumably, Lesnar would then win the title back at Armageddon.

As for the World Title match, Keller says there is about a 97 percent chance that either Triple H or Shawn Michaels is winning the match. Triple H is suggesting that Michaels wins the match and the title. They can then have a rematch at next month's PPV with Triple H winning the title back. Losing won't hurt Triple H at all because he can blame it on the fact that 5 guys were after him, and then he'll win the rematch the following month.

Vince McMahon is changing his mind daily on who should win - Triple H or Shawn Michaels. There's apparently no thought of anyone else actually winning the title."

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...support your local indy fed...or something...

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#2 Posted on 14.11.02 2153.00
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These two lines of reasoning actually kinda make sense.

Brock is hurt right now, so taking the title off of him makes a weird twisted sort of sense, because, though it hurts his undefeatable gimmick, it'll be even worse if he fucks himself up on Sunday and has to sit out for awhile with the belt.

As for HHH/Shawn. Shawn is easily the most over person in the match, and by rule, that usually means he should win the title. Of course, he probably shouldn't because as we've established above, people working with injuries generally don't make very good champions. HHH keeping the title makes sense from a certain standpoint because he's the most established guy in the match, and with the exception of Flair and Michaels, he's the most established guy on the roster. The only other person in the match who I could conceive winning it otherwise is Booker (RVD's involvement isn't built well enough, Kane has no business being champion at this point, and Jericho...eh...I could PROBABLY see him winning). So if it doesn't go to HHH/HBK, then it'd go to Booker.

Umm...Good thing the Torch is ALWAYS right on these things, isn't it?

(By the by, did anybody catch the report that Kevin Dunn was the one who was "actually" responsible for the Katie Vick angle?)
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#3 Posted on 14.11.02 2337.31
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Hmm...curiouser and curiouser...

As a huge HBK fan, I'm torn on him winning the title. Part of me would love to see him take it one last time. The other part of me realizes that he can't compete full time and that I don't want to see HHH with his paws back on it for a while.

As for Brock losing this Sunday, let's just hope that's a funny funny lie.
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#4 Posted on 14.11.02 2356.12
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Passing the WCW Championship from a cripple to his cripple friend wouldn't do wonders for my confidence in them.

Having a hippopotamus win the WWE Championship wouldn't make me feel good, either.

My hopes and dreams:

1. Someone-- ANYONE-- other than Triple H or HBK wins in the Elimination Chamber.
2. Brock retains, but Big Show shit-kicks him post-match, giving Brock the excuse to take it easy for awhile before coming back in a revenge angle of some kind.

Having The Big Show win the WWE Championship just because the current champion is injured is a horrible idea, especially since Big Show has no business main-eventing in the first place. If Lesnar's got to lose the title, have him job it to Da Crippla!
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#5 Posted on 14.11.02 2359.28
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What if Angle/Benoit lose their match and for some reason Show is unable to compete (b/c of injuries sustained by his chairshots) and one of them step in (preferrably Benoit) and shocks Lesnar and takes him down. Then, have Angle win the title from Benoit and have Lesnar win the Rumble to set up the match at WM? It would work!
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#6 Posted on 15.11.02 0116.02
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GOOD LORD, Vince actually WANTS to give Big Slug the title?! Oh man, I need to think positively like Positively Kanyon...

Positive...

Positive...

Positive...

Ok, it could be worse. At least Brock won't drop the belt to Triple H.
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#7 Posted on 15.11.02 0121.49
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The real question here is not whether Big Show will win.

The real question is "Why is Big Show slowly transforming into the Big Bossman?"

Not in terms of match quality mind (He'd have to have a quality match first)--I mean there's beginning to be a really scary physical resemblance.


(edited by Enojado Viento on 14.11.02 2330)
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#8 Posted on 15.11.02 0923.57
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If something like this leaks to the Internet, the only conclusions I can draw are "Brock's gonna win" and "HHH will lose the title to someone who isn't Shawn Michaels".
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#9 Posted on 15.11.02 0936.18
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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    If something like this leaks to the Internet, the only conclusions I can draw are "Brock's gonna win" and "HHH will lose the title to someone who isn't Shawn Michaels".


That's what I'm thinking. Vince will never just give away the results of his PPV's, much less to the IWC. So, I doubt this is going to happen. If it does, I'll be totally shocked.

I'm thinking that Brock will hold on to his title by DQ via Paul Heyman interference on the Big Show's behalf. Maybe Brock might be in the midst of gaining the upper hand and Paul E. comes in to stop it and prove that Brock, indeed, "cannot beat the Big Show". But that's just me thinking.

I say over in the other title match, Booker T. should win. I'll be waaaaay pissed off if HHH keeps the title and gets to feud with Shawn Michaels over it. This feud doesn't need the championship belt to make it interesting. Go back to SummerSlam. Awesome match and no belt was needed.

The only problem I can see with Booker T. winning this match is that he's a face and there aren't many heels over on the RAW roster. Well, not established enough to make us care about his feud. It seems that Jericho is going to feud with Christian and they'll drop the tag titles to somebody. Then that leaves only HHH again, or Ric Flair. And NOBODY wants to see that. Well, I don't.

(edited by Ticamo on 15.11.02 0738)
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#10 Posted on 15.11.02 0953.08
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At the very least they have us guessing the outcome of the matches, which hasn't happened in at least a few months. It's kinda cool not knowing what's going to happen. Booking "leaks" and such are great because it just fuels the speculation.
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#11 Posted on 15.11.02 1008.31
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As much as I dislike Trip, remember this: Its alot easier to get a belt off of him than it is to get it off of Michaels. Since Survivor Series is in New York though, I wonder if a few people from Syracuse might like to take a trip down to NYC. Say hi to their old friend Shawn, catch up on old times.
As for Big Slug getting the world title: He's Big, he has no talent, and he has a big money long term contract. Thus, his getting his second WWF/E reign, fourth overall (if you count the winning by DQ over Hogan in '95) wouldn't shock me. After that, only 2 more to catch, three to pass Lou Thesz.
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#12 Posted on 15.11.02 1036.49
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What should happen at SS:

1. Brock squashes Big Show. If Vince is even thinking about putting Big Show over, then the WWF board of directors has a basis for removing him for decisions detrimental to business.

2. Chris Jericho wins the World title. Yes, you heard me right: Chris Jericho wins the World title. And I'm not saying that because Chris Jericho is my personal god. Why should Chris Jericho win the title? Let's discuss.

Firstly, the title must come off Teo, unless Vince is still giving him handjobs. Teo's title run has just not worked, plain and simple. Horrible matches, worse angles, and the only time Teo elicits even a slightest reaction is during his entrance. Shawn Michaels should not win the title. You know, I know, the whole world knows why. That's never stopped the WWF before (see Hulk Hogan in April), but we're talking about what should happen. Regrettably, Kane should not win the title. Why? The horrible Katie Vick angle damaged him way too much. He needs to have a solid babyface feud on an actual working concept before they give him the title. Unregrettably, Rob van Dam should not win the title, as he's just as damaged as Kane in terms of lost credibility, specifically by the squash feud with Teo and then the meaningless feud with Ric Flair. And finally, Booker T should not win the title. Not yet. Why?

Booker T should win the title when it'd be more meaningful.

Once again, Teo proceeded to thoroughly damage a PPV opponent just prior to the show - he did the same exact thing to Rob van Dam and Kane. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is his 17th WWF PPV - and it will be his 17th WWF PPV without a singles PPV win. So why not build it up into something big and make it mean something?

Giving Chris Jericho the title to go along with the tag title he now has would suit his character perfectly and give it even more of a jolt. It would also allow the WWF to build up a Booker/Jericho feud (which has been simmering ever since Summerslam) and make it even more meaningful. The Teo/Michaels storyline simply does not need the belt involved to be effective. Who wouldn't mark out if Booker wins the World title at Wrestlemania, against King of Heels Jericho, for his first ever WWF singles PPV win?

C'mon Vince - do the right thing for a change.
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#13 Posted on 15.11.02 1051.53
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    Originally posted by VanillaSky
    What if Angle/Benoit lose their match and for some reason Show is unable to compete (b/c of injuries sustained by his chairshots) and one of them step in (preferrably Benoit) and shocks Lesnar and takes him down. Then, have Angle win the title from Benoit and have Lesnar win the Rumble to set up the match at WM? It would work!


I sincerely hope this is some sort of joke.
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#14 Posted on 15.11.02 1053.26
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Wasn't everyone crapping their pants in fear of the HBK/HHH feud being for the title right before their last PPV match? They didn't do it then and I'm about 60% sure they won't do it now. The HBK/HHH feud has plenty of backstory & motivation for the writers to work with as it is.

I agree with Texas Kelly: put the belt on Jericho and let the Jericho/Booker feud go full force.

(edited by CxMorgado on 15.11.02 1154)
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#15 Posted on 15.11.02 1310.13
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    Once again, Teo proceeded to thoroughly damage a PPV opponent just prior to the show - he did the same exact thing to Rob van Dam and Kane. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is his 17th WWF PPV - and it will be his 17th WWF PPV without a singles PPV win. So why not build it up into something big and make it mean something?


Booker beat the Big Show at the July PPV. Remember the Houston Hangover?

Even still, I'm not sure it's a good marketing hook to push your eventual world champion as "the man who has never won on PPV before."
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#16 Posted on 15.11.02 1448.36
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"I'm thinking that Brock will hold on to his title by DQ via Paul Heyman interference on the Big Show's behalf. Maybe Brock might be in the midst of gaining the upper hand and Paul E. comes in to stop it and prove that Brock, indeed, "cannot beat the Big Show". But that's just me thinking."

I was thinking something along those lines. Maybe Brock tries to pick him up for the F-5, can't because of the achy-breaky ribs, AAAHHHTHECHOKESLAM, Heyman pulls the ref out for the DQ before we find out if Lesnar could have kicked out of the pin(a la Jim Neidhart saving Bret's title after Diesel Jackknifed him at KOTR '94).

As for the Elimination Chamber...no matter how much people might want Triple H to be gone early, the title-winning final fall won't mean as much to the winner(if the title does in fact change hands) if it's not Triple H being pinned.

-Patrick

(edited by PowerPB13 on 15.11.02 1341)
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#17 Posted on 16.11.02 1520.17
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Well, since they were playing up Christian's spot as alternate, I reserve hope that Kane gets "injured" and Christian gets inserted into the match. This would hopefully improve the quality of the match and would give them a chance to jumpstart the Jericho/Christian split if they decide not to go with TK's excellent idea of a Jericho/Booker feud.
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#18 Posted on 16.11.02 1638.41
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I dunno, I see the "alternate" angle with Christian involving his attempting to punk out various wrestlers during the PPV, and failing.

However, there is still 4 faces and 2 heels in the match.... so according to the Law of Heel/Face Balance, it could work. If someone goes out, I'd say it'd be ...Kane, via chairshots to the knees.

As much as I'd love to see a Jericho / Booker feud, I agree with Big Bad - there's got to be something else you can use other than that.
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#19 Posted on 16.11.02 1803.10
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I know, I'm in the MAJOR minority here, but I want Big Show to win the title tommorow. If nothing else, Paul Heyman has put his heart and soul into selling the fact that Big Show is in the mindset of domination, a sleeping giant, if you will. No, Big Show has not really had any classic matches...ever, but look at who he is. He six hundred pounds or so. He'll never be able to psychically pull off the stuff that Benoit and Jericho can do. But are we, we being the IWC, so fucking blindsided that we can only love six foot guys who know how to do a step-over toehold? Look at Goliath. I'm sure he didn't know a Texas Cloverleaf. Look at The Incredible Hulk. All he did was punch and garble some words once in a while. Look at Andre the Giant for crying out loud. If Andre was around today, he would be ridiculed by the IWC, of that I have no doubt.

For those of you who point out the losses to Jeff Hardy and Booker and such, keep this in mind: The Big Show's official history started after No Mercy 2002. WWE has all but said that. You would think that they would bring up the 'former champion' card, but they didn't. So for all intents and purposes, Big Show debut'd last month and is currently undefeated. That will make Brock's revenge in a month or two meaningful, but hopefully by then, the past will be forgotten.

Big Show WILL win the title tommorow. I believe he SHOULD win tommorow, if only for Heyman. Because if this angle doesn't work out, it'll be the last main event Heyman does for a while.
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#20 Posted on 16.11.02 1844.02
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Heyman doesn't get to really chose who's in the Main Event. Its Vince who panics and puts Big Show in the Main Event. Its just Heyman who's doing his hardest to try and salvage something out of it.

Why should Big Show get rewarded with a Main Event push? He's been fat and lazy for the past 3-4 years! He's been pushed time and time again and it never works. It's not the 80's anymore, people aren't gonna pay to see a guy just because he's big. People want action, they want excitement, none of which the Big Show can provide.
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