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#61 Posted on 12.11.02 1253.06
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OFB, I generally agree with a LOT that you say, but not in this case.

I am an AMERICAN. I am PROUD to be an AMERICAN. I may be TOO PATRIOTIC (although I dont think that is possible), but I wont appologize for it.

We didnt want to get involved in either World War. We were eventually drawn in. Yet, people here seem to think we played absolutely no part in winning either one. Must have been the Canadians that dropped those two bombs on Japan. Must have been somebody else losing tens of thousans at Normandy.

I know it is popular these days to bash the US. We deserve some of it to a degree. But, as I pointed out, we celebrate a totally different holiday RIGHT NOW, than what was originally a multinational observance. So, when Jim Ross says that here in the US only AMERICAN flags should be flying on VETERANS Day, I, as an American, and a Veteran, wholeheartedly agree.


In closing, if any of you British or Canadians disagree, fine by me, I am just standing up for my country the way you people jump all around to stand up for yours.
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#62 Posted on 12.11.02 1303.42
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***Yet, people here seem to think we played absolutely no part in winning either one.***


Who in the name of god thinks that?
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#63 Posted on 12.11.02 1307.01
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Dude... I mean, dude!
I am an American, probably more patriotic than the next guy, and even I think that is way overboard. Regal and Storm are NOT American! They owe nothing to our troops, or to our country. If you are going to drag out the whole "We saved their butt, or we protect them" arguments, don't. We do not do things like getting involved in WWII, or Liberating Kuwait, or standing up to the Soviets because we want these countries to owe us. We do it partially for selfish reasons, but mainly we do it because it is THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
Storm is a Canadian. He has every right to be proud of his country, and has every right to CARRY his flag. That is the key there... he carried it himself. Storm and Regal did not enter the arena and demand that their flags fly IN PLACE of Old Glory. Their carrying of their nations flag did not prevent any decent American from flying their flag on Veteran's Day. It is WRONG to impose our nationalism on citizens from another country who are invited to perform here.
Reverse the situation. How would you feel if they were in Toronto, and Hacksaw Jim damned Duggan came out waving the US flag on Remeberance Day (for OUR veterans) and was told he should not carry it, because only the CANADIAN flag should fly in Canada on Rememberance Day? I seriously DOUBT that any of you would agree with that, seriously...
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#64 Posted on 12.11.02 1311.23
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I second Galidor's indignation at that comment. StaggerLee, I am immensely grateful that America were there to help the rest of the free world when we needed. That does not equate to us grovelling at your feet and repeatedly telling you that you're the greatest country in the world. And I don't fiercely defend my country at all-I get pissy when peeps get selectively indignant. Example: Everyone and their mother kicked up a fuss about the disgustingly racist Reverend D-Von character earlier this year, yet no-one said squat when Goodwill Ambassador Regal debuted with stiff upper lip and tea and crumpets in his wake. I do what I can to point out the stupidity of some of the angry responses-they only like to get righteous when they know they got a nice strong case to back it up.

That sounded a lot more complex than I meant it to be...Okay, bottom line: If you're willing to put up with things like William Regal, Booker's blaxploitation-style vignette, Tajiri's Japanese character, Noble's stereotyped Southern scumbag et al, then Hell, you have no place complaining about JR making a comment with regards to the Canadian flag.

Hey, wait a minute...Me and you are on the same side StaggerLee! I guess we just have different arguments.....
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#65 Posted on 12.11.02 1311.51
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    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    We do it partially for selfish reasons, but mainly we do it because it is THE RIGHT THING TO DO.


I think you might have that a little backwards there.
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#66 Posted on 12.11.02 1336.08
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    Originally posted by NickBockwinkelFan
    I was pretty excited when I saw the title of this thread. It's been my personal sentiment since hearing him with Bob Caudle years ago. JR's a racist, an ignoramous, a serial sexual harasser, an egomaniac and a pitiful shell of his former self at the announcing table. I'm suprised you're so outraged the ramblings of a mere "wrestling announcer". Reserve your rage for authentic assaults upon the honor of your ancestors and country. Just picture him wandering through the lobby bar of some nameless hotel wearing those ridiculous long denim shorts and a Oklahoma visor rubbing himself up against a defenseless Jackie Gayda.

    JR doesn't deserve your vitriolic hatred. Reserve your pity for his pathetic, hideously disfigured mis-shapen lump of an existence.



    (edited by NickBockwinkelFan on 12.11.02 0123)





This should be the main focus of the argument, not the personal attacks people are leveling against each other. With Jesse Helms leaving the Senate, that means the dulcid tones of Bob Caudill could be used as the main announcer on RAW instead of Jim 'How bout dem Sooners, oh they lost, I won't mention them then' Ross.
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#67 Posted on 12.11.02 1349.10
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JRs ACTUAL comments
"Certainly, King, at least in my opinion, the only flag that should be flying here tonight, on Veteran's Day here in the USA, is Old Glory, itself. In all due respect to the Union Jack and the Maple Leaf, this is the American Veteran's Day."

Shem the Penman Said : In what way does having respect for our own honored dead include disrespecting another country's?

There was NO disrespect made to ANY OTHER NATION by this comment.


Gladiator told us: Doesnt matter, November 11th is NOT an american holiday.
Well, actually, when our Congress passes a Law here proclaiming it as such, it IS an AMERICAN holiday. Inspired by a multinatinal one, but still, and American holiday.

ANd when Fuel Injected asks me: Why don't you learn a little about CANADIAN history on a CANADIAN holiday? I would like to point out, that, in American, 1) we dont observe FORIEGN holidays, and 2) Here in America, it is our OWN holiday. SO, could you please learn a little about AMERICAN HISTORY when speaking about an AMERICAN holiday? Thanks!

Gladiator (I believe, correct me if I am wrong) said:The fact that these 2 holidays are celebrated on Nov 11th, is what its all about, as a Canadian, i honor the US Flag on Rememberance day, year in and year out, as america has fought and died for my freedom, as well as their own, hearing americans like JR belittle the other nations efforts in bringing about the end of WW1 and the date that Veterans day celebrates, disgusts me.

If you read the quote, I dont see where he did that, If you read into it that sentiment, fine, we just have different viewpoints on the matter.

Socks stated: I have to agree. WWI and WWII was an international effort. Not just the Americans. As well, the Americans joined late in both World Wars and claimed they were the reason they were both won. Where were the Americans during Vimy Ridge?

This is what caused me to state: Yet, people here seem to think we played absolutely no part in winning either one.

I never implied that Americans, alone, won either World War. What I was stating, is, that without the US, both wars would have been EXTREMELY longer, and all of our Allies would have suffered MORE losses.

Jim Ross, even though he is an idiot, stated what AMERICANS, at least the MAJORITY of us, feel, on an AMERICAN holiday. Celebrate your holiday, however you see fit, but, please, PLEASE dont belittle US for celebrating OURS the way WE see fit.


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#68 Posted on 12.11.02 1352.50
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Actually, since you mention majorities, I think the majority of us think this is one of the dumbest threads in the history of Wienerville. Why the hell does any of this matter?
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#69 Posted on 12.11.02 1401.37
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Yeah, this ranks up there with the "rating" thread over on site bashing.

Weird though that they always end up being the longest threads.
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#70 Posted on 12.11.02 1607.10
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Sorry guys, but why is this stupid? It seems like whenever people get worked up enough to push a thread to 60-80 posts there's a bunch of people that deem it "stupid" for no apparent reason. Just wondering what your basis for it is. No offence meant...
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#71 Posted on 12.11.02 1613.08
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Okay, it's just like I said: "Why the hell does any of this matter?"

By the outrage and hatred shown by most of the posters, you would think JR had anally raped their mothers while pouring sugar in their gas tanks. It was just an off-handed comment on a live show by an old, stupid announcer who was acting in pro-American kayfabe. It is not life and death.
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#72 Posted on 12.11.02 1614.03
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Well alrighty then, we're arguing the same point. Check my posts and see.
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#73 Posted on 12.11.02 1732.27
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    Originally posted by Parts Unknown
    By the outrage and hatred shown by most of the posters, you would think JR had anally raped their mothers while pouring sugar in their gas tanks.


Yeah, JR reserves that kind of treatment for "developing" the female talent.
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#74 Posted on 12.11.02 1955.23
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Ok....

I understand that we are all touchy about our Vet/Remberance Days in our respective countries. I think we have figured that much out.

What's the point many of you have asked...well here it is.

The off the cuff comment by J.R wouldn't have been that bad if RAW was only shown in the US. But it does reach Canada. This is the same country that the WWE cannot lose. It does gather bigger ratings then any other country, it does sell out more house shows/PPV/TV Tapings then the US or any other place for that matter.

You cannot have someone represent your company to millions by pulling off a stupid comment like that. More so...to the millions that watch in Canada on TSN. The WWE should issue an apology, and maintain a solid working relationship with us here in the great white north.

Does that make sense???
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#75 Posted on 13.11.02 0022.37
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Socks is absolutely right.

Besides, is Lance Storm (a Canadian) not allowed to fly the flag of his country on a day marked for remembrance of those who died fighting for it, despite where he may be? StaggerLee, are these not the civil liberties that the very same veterans you are honouring fought and died for? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall there being any official statements from the US congress forbidding foreign nationals from flying the colours of their country, or honouring those who have fought for it.

I'd sure as hell be flying my Canadian flag on November 11, regardless of whether I was in Toronto, Los Angeles or Tokyo. I'd like to see someone try and stop me.

EDIT: fixed typos

(edited by scabby on 12.11.02 2227)
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#76 Posted on 13.11.02 0107.54
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Okay, for the last time. Jim Ross, was talking about an AMERICAN holiday. NOT the one that people in CANADA observe. He said that in THE US, he thinks the only flag that should be flown on VETERANS DAY (An American Holiday)is the AMERICAN flag.

He did NOT disrespect ANY OTHER NATIONS or THIER holidays. He was simply stating what he felt about OUR holiday HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.

You can fly whatever flag you want, wherever you want on whatever day you want. The reason this argument got so out of hand, is because most or all of the CANADIANS on this board felt that JR should honor THIER holiday, and not only recognise OUR holiday.

Not related to what JR said, Why is it that OUR national pride should take a backseat to YOUR national pride? I just dont get it.
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#77 Posted on 13.11.02 0118.07
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Only most of the Canadians, not all. I'm Canadian and as long as nobody tells me how to remember the veterans who gave us our freedom, I won't tell anyone else how to do their remembering.
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#78 Posted on 13.11.02 0128.53
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Okay, for the last time. Jim Ross, was talking about an AMERICAN holiday. NOT the one that people in CANADA observe. He said that in THE US, he thinks the only flag that should be flown on VETERANS DAY (An American Holiday)is the AMERICAN flag.

    He did NOT disrespect ANY OTHER NATIONS or THIER holidays. He was simply stating what he felt about OUR holiday HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.

    You can fly whatever flag you want, wherever you want on whatever day you want. The reason this argument got so out of hand, is because most or all of the CANADIANS on this board felt that JR should honor THIER holiday, and not only recognise OUR holiday.

    Not related to what JR said, Why is it that OUR national pride should take a backseat to YOUR national pride? I just dont get it.



Yes, you're exactly right. Jim Ross said that the only flag that should be flown in the US on Veteran's Day is the American flag, and that is exactly what bothers people. It was an ignorant statement. If you re-read my previous post, you might understand why I feel this way.

Nobody is asking you, Jim Ross or any other American to sing "O Canada" and salute the Canadian flag on Veteran's Day. As a matter of fact, I think it's great that you and so many other Americans feel so passionately
about your national pride and heritage. However, ignorant statements such as the ones made by Jim Ross which basically insinuate that every non-American in the United States must sing the "Star Spangled Banner" and wave the American flag, or sit quietly and refuse to express their own national pride are bound to irk people. This is especially true when stated on a show aired in Canada, and many nations other than the US.

Jim Ross did not need to honour the Canadian holiday. But, he made a statement which indicated that he was oblivious to the fact that Canadians and Britons might prefer to wave the flags of their country on November 11. *THAT* is what has pissed people off.


EDIT TO ADD: I don't expect your national pride to take a back seat to ours. At the same time, ours should not take a back seat to yours. Anyways, I understand where you are coming from, but please, try to imagine if the shoe was on the other foot.





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#79 Posted on 14.11.02 1308.03
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What I really hate about this whole thing is that people take Nationalism so far that it gets everybody in an uproar and near riot. This is the kind of shit that happens when somebody makes an ever-so-slightly politically incorrect religious statement and everybody goes apeshit about how you "disrespect my god" and then everybody starts getting offended.

It's total bullshit. And if you look at JR's exact statement, you can see where the error would come. I'm SURE he understands where he made the error. I'm also pretty sure that he's over it. You should all be too. Geez. I love America too, but I'm not gonna call for someone's head when they make a slight error in judgement/statement.
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#80 Posted on 14.11.02 1410.42
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    Originally posted by Galidor
    Reverse the statement that ross said

    What if it was said that the american flag should not be allowed to fly today, on Rememberance day?

    Thats how ignorant JR's comment was.



If someone on my idiot box told me something, I'd consider help.

Jim Ross made that statement to everybody, and as such, before I'd go off an a tangent on something that was said to everybody, I'd consider a few variables.

First, you've stated time and again, and I'm sure there are those that would agree, myself included, that his statement was ignorant. He failed to consider the Canadian Viewing Audience (CVA from now on). That's fine and dandy.

However, just how important was his statement? What was said was an offhanded comment by a man who was entertaining a predominately American audience. It isn't as if Ross went up to Canada, and told people that the Canadian flag should be used to wipe your ass with.

And, as for what you said. I agree with you and what Ross said. I don't think the American Flag should be flown on Rememberance Day, and I don't think the Canadian Flag should be flown on Veterans Day. Canadian Flags get flown in Canada, on Rememberance Day, and American Flags get flown in the U.S., on Veterans Day. Skewed logic is logic nontheless.

Now, the way in which Lance Storm is supposed to be percieved, as a Heel. Please don't go off on a tangent about how waving around a Canadian Flag makes you a heel. It doesn't. Missrepresenting it, maybe, does. Hell, we have Kurt Angle, the PRO AMERICAN HEEL. He still generates a very good amount of heat, too.

And, you can't please all of the people all of the time.

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