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|  #21 Posted on 11.11.02 2212.01
Reposted on: 11.11.09 2212.03 | | I guess the next time Lance or Regal says something about the US, I will be on this board to give an profanity filled tirade about how Lance has totally spat on my grandfather's grave and totally disrespected me and all Americans. Dude, it is a TV show. Chill out. | cfgb
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|  #22 Posted on 11.11.02 2218.01
Reposted on: 11.11.09 2220.44 | I guess the next time Lance or Regal says something about the US, I will be on this board to give an profanity filled tirade about how Lance has totally spat on my grandfather's grave and totally disrespected me and all Americans. Dude, it is a TV show. Chill out.
I don't think it would be taken as seriously if it were coming from a wrestler... HBK has picked his nose with the Canadian flag, and I couldn't have cared less. God knows the number of shots on Canadians we get everytime they come up.
In this case, it was simply ignorance coming from "The Voice Of Reason." JR is supposed to know better. He's the All American Peacekeeper, and his comments came off as heartfelt which suggests he simply knows nothing about what this holiday is.
Again, it's not THAT big a deal and I wouldn't have said a thing had a thread not been created, but I can see where someone might take offense as opposed to your everyday run of the mill angle. | ICEMAN
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| #23 Posted on 11.11.02 2235.34
Reposted on: 11.11.09 2245.04 | Why do you think that Lance Storm and Regal were on t.v. tonight ? For the same reason they were on t.v. July 4th, Heat.
And I truly don't think that what J.R. mean any meaness,he was just acting the part of the face announcer and I doubt that he truly feels that way.
Another note:
My grandfather was a veteran and he died in August and him knowing I love books he left me a bunch of books about the World Wars and a lot of had stories about British and Canadians soldiers and reading those stories and realizing we had others fighting beside us I have had some of the pro-american stubborness tooking out of me.
And I love Canada anyway,I'd rather live there or anywhere up north than here in the deep south. | StaggerLee
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| #24 Posted on 11.11.02 2246.10
Reposted on: 11.11.09 2249.39 | In 1921, an unknown World War I American soldier was buried in Arlington National Cemetery. This site, on a hillside overlooking the Potomac River and the city of Washington, became the focal point of reverence for America's veterans.
Similar ceremonies occurred earlier in England and France, where an unknown soldier was buried in each nation's highest place of honor (in England, Westminster Abbey; in France, the Arc de Triomphe). These memorial gestures all took place on November 11, giving universal recognition to the celebrated ending of World War I fighting at 11 a.m., November 11, 1918 (the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month). The day became known as "Armistice Day".
Armistice Day officially received its name in America in 1926 through a Congressional resolution. It became a national holidiay 12 years later by similar Congressional action. If the idealistic hope had been realized that World War I was "the War to end all Wars," November 11 might still be called Armistice Day. But only a few years after the holiday was proclaimed, war broke out in Europe. Sixteen and one-half million Americans took part. Four hundred seven thousand of them died in service, more than 292,000 in battle.
Armistice Day Changed To Honor All Veterans
Realizing that peace was equally preserved by veterans of WW II and Korea, Congress was requested to make this day an occasion to honor those who have served America in all wars. In 1954 President Eisenhower signed a bill proclaiming November 11 as Veterans Day.
On Memorial Day 1958, two more unidentified American war dead were brought from overseas and interred in the plaza beside the unknown soldier of World War I. One was killed in World War II, the other in the Korean War. In 1973, a law passed providing interment of an unknown American from the Vietnam War, but none was found for several years. In 1984, an unknown serviceman from that conflict was placed alongside the others. To honor these men, symbolic of all Americans who gave their lives in all wars, an Army honor guard, The 3d U.S. Infantry (The Old Guard), keeps day and night vigil.
A law passed in 1968 changed the national commemoration of Veterans Day to the fourth Monday in October. It soon became apparent, however, that November 11 was a date of historic significance to many Americans. Therefore, in 1978 Congress returned the observance to its traditional date.
The focal point for official, national ceremonies for Veterans Day continues to be the memorial amphitheater built around the Tomb of the Unknowns. At 11 a.m. on November 11, a combined color guard representing all military services executes "Present Arms" at the tomb. The nation's tribute to its war dead is symbolized by the laying of a presidential wreath. The bugler plays "taps." The rest of the ceremony takes place in the amphitheater.
Every year the President of the United States urges All Americans to honor the commitment of our Veterans through appropriate public ceremonies.
So, while Armistice Day was a multinational holiday, VETERANS day is a uniquely AMERICAN holiday. THe fact a few thousand Canadians died means nothing to me as an AMERICAN on an AMERICAN holiday. The fact that I am a VETERAN of the UNITED STATED NAVY and have served in a WAR I like what Jim Ross said, and I appreciate it. Learn a little AMERICAN history before you start bitching about an AMERICAN being proud and wanting nothing but the stars and stripes being flown in the UNITED STATES on an AMERICAN holiday!
Oh, and Iceman, you dont like the south? Thats okay, us VETERANS provide you the freedom to complain about your nation! As Perry Saturn would say "You are welcome!" | ICEMAN
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| #25 Posted on 11.11.02 2250.32
Reposted on: 11.11.09 2259.01 | No,I love the south,I'd just rather live somewhere where its COLD!!!!
I'm ICEMAN, get it?  | StaggerLee
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| #26 Posted on 11.11.02 2251.30
Reposted on: 11.11.09 2259.02 |
Originally posted by ICEMAN
No,I love the south,I'd just rather live somewhere where its COLD!!!!
I'm ICEMAN, get it?
Oh, in that case, move to Minnesota where it is AMERICA and we keep the Canadian Army at bay..... Its still America! | Shem the Penman
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| #27 Posted on 11.11.02 2259.04
Reposted on: 11.11.09 2300.24 | | In what way does having respect for our own honored dead include disrespecting another country's? A country that's been a close ally of ours since about the time the British left? Is there, like, a limited amount of respect in the cosmos, and we have to institute respect rationing? | Tribal Prophet
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| #28 Posted on 11.11.02 2300.23
Reposted on: 11.11.09 2302.00 | J.R. shouldn't have said it because it's just wrong. I felt the same "WTF?" that the Galidor did (although I didn't feel it to his extent). This isn't the same as a wrestler getting heat. Ross's position is different than a wrestler who's full of catchphrases and throw-away lines. I don't mean because he's vice-president of kissing Vince's ass, I mean that he's the face announcer who's always right while The King is the color guy who exagerates and makes things up (since he's certainly not a heel announcer).
They may as well have put something on the WWE.com website saying that Canada and the rest of the world should not celebrate the same holiday because "we called it first".
Of course, I understand that it comes from Jim Ross's total and complete ignorance of the world around him, so I'm more sad for him than I am angry. While I'm at it: "Hey Ross! NOBODY gives a shit when you call someone a 'jezebel'. Much less when you call them that 6 times in a row. Same thing with 'paranoid'. As long as you keep trying to reach that 60+ demographic, no one will get over because of you're skills as a commentator ever again... ever..."
Whew, that felt better.
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| #29 Posted on 11.11.02 2306.40
Reposted on: 11.11.09 2312.53 | Um, if all you Canadians would go back and read the post I put up, it will explain WHY we call it VETERANS DAY here in the states, and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with YOU, YOUR DEAD, YOUR VETERANS or ANY OTHER COUNTRY!
You have a similar holiday to us. But, in America, it is celebrated for DIFFERENT REASONS, and it is a DIFFERENT holiday!
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| #30 Posted on 11.11.02 2314.33
Reposted on: 11.11.09 2318.55 | Folks....at least get your stories straight before you start bitching.
JR said, and I quote:
"Certainly, King, at least in my opinion, the only flag that should be flying here tonight, on Veteran's Day here in the USA, is Old Glory, itself. In all due respect to the Union Jack and the Maple Leaf, this is the American Veteran's Day."
So, the key phrase here is 'in the USA'...He still held full respect for both other flags. As I said before, Please get your story straight before you start your bitching. Thank you. | CxMorgado
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| #31 Posted on 11.11.02 2322.54
Reposted on: 11.11.09 2329.01 |
Originally posted by angrycheesehead
Folks....at least get your stories straight before you start bitching.
JR said, and I quote:
"Certainly, King, at least in my opinion, the only flag that should be flying here tonight, on Veteran's Day here in the USA, is Old Glory, itself. In all due respect to the Union Jack and the Maple Leaf, this is the American Veteran's Day."
So, the key phrase here is 'in the USA'...He still held full respect for both other flags. As I said before, Please get your story straight before you start your bitching. Thank you.
Thank you Cheesehead, thank you.
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| #32 Posted on 11.11.02 2334.27
Reposted on: 11.11.09 2334.28 | And its that key phrase i am objecting to, because Veterans day Is November 11th JR insinuated that I as a canadian should not be allowed to remember the dead, or celebrate Remembrance Day.
The fact that these 2 holidays are celebrated on Nov 11th, is what its all about, as a Canadian, i honor the US Flag on Rememberance day, year in and year out, as america has fought and died for my freedom, as well as their own, hearing americans like JR belittle the other nations efforts in bringing about the end of WW1 and the date that Veterans day celebrates, disgusts me.
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| #33 Posted on 11.11.02 2340.36
Reposted on: 11.11.09 2341.24 | | How do you know JR even knew it was Rememberance Day in Canada? I, myself, wouldn't have known if I hadn't happened to look at a calendar today to see what the date was and saw it listed. Personally, I could care less about most of my own country's holidays, let alone keeping track of the holidays of a country to which I'll never even travel. | angrycheesehead
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| #34 Posted on 11.11.02 2341.37
Reposted on: 11.11.09 2341.52 | | He did no such thing, and you are an imbicile if you think this. You are proving my point with every word you say. You say that it was Canada's Rememberance Day. This is EXACTLY Ross' point. He stated that this was AMERICA'S Veteran's Day, and IN AMERICA, the only flag that should be flying is Old Glory. Likewise, IN CANADA, the only flag that should be flying is the Maple Leaf. In Bumfuct, Egypt, the only flag that should be flying is the...well, OK, I'm stretching it now, but if you don't see the point by now, I give up...and everyone else should, too. Galidor is too thick-headed to understand this...that or he is too stubborn to admit that he misunderstood JR, and simply made a mistake.... | Galidor
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| #35 Posted on 11.11.02 2343.37
Reposted on: 11.11.09 2344.44 | | Dont matter if he knew or not, he made the statement, that the canadian flag had no business flying. | fuelinjected
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| #36 Posted on 11.11.02 2354.33
Reposted on: 11.11.09 2358.56 | >So, while Armistice Day was a multinational holiday, VETERANS day is a uniquely AMERICAN holiday. THe fact a few thousand Canadians died means nothing to me as an AMERICAN on an AMERICAN holiday. The fact that I am a VETERAN of the UNITED STATED NAVY and have served in a WAR I like what Jim Ross said, and I appreciate it. Learn a little AMERICAN history before you start bitching about an AMERICAN being proud and wanting nothing but the stars and stripes being flown in the UNITED STATES on an AMERICAN holiday!
You can change the name but it's still the same day, it's still the day of rememberance all of the world. The fact that you careless about thousands of dead Canadians regardless of the days shows you're an arrogant SOB. Why don't you learn a little about CANADIAN history on a CANADIAN holiday? Our guys died right alongside yours, as did the British, so it's bullshit that the Maple Leaf & Union Jack have no place flying in the US on a day meant to remember veterans. | Enojado Viento
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| #37 Posted on 11.11.02 2355.59
Reposted on: 11.11.09 2359.04 |
Originally posted by angrycheesehead
He did no such thing, and you are an imbicile if you think this. You are proving my point with every word you say. You say that it was Canada's Rememberance Day. This is EXACTLY Ross' point. He stated that this was AMERICA'S Veteran's Day, and IN AMERICA, the only flag that should be flying is Old Glory. Likewise, IN CANADA, the only flag that should be flying is the Maple Leaf. In Bumfuct, Egypt, the only flag that should be flying is the...well, OK, I'm stretching it now, but if you don't see the point by now, I give up...and everyone else should, too. Galidor is too thick-headed to understand this...that or he is too stubborn to admit that he misunderstood JR, and simply made a mistake....
Before Veterans Day was Veterans Day it was Armistice Day, and it's celebrated by nearly every nation that participated. It marks the end of the fighting in WWI (the actual war didn't end on paper until 1921 but that's another post) Eleventh hour, eleventh day, eleventh month.
This is a GLOBAL holiday. Christmas is called hundreds of different names in hundreds of different languages and most other nations celebrate it on 25 December. Do you say that we have AMERICAN Christmas, totally separate from other nation?
It's imporant one recognizes the context this holiday is held in and not confuse it with Memorial Day.
Memorial Day is America's holiday to set aside specifically to honor its veterans. Veterans Day celebrates the collective sacrifice of American veterans and their allies in wartime. | Leroy
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| #38 Posted on 12.11.02 0003.11
Reposted on: 12.11.09 0004.03 | | I don't know what all of the fuss is about. I saw "Saving Private Ryan", and according to THAT movie, American's were the only ones who fought in THAT war... (and I'm not sure, but the movie may have even been set in America as well). | NickBockwinkelFan
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| #39 Posted on 12.11.02 0011.54
Reposted on: 12.11.09 0016.06 | I was pretty excited when I saw the title of this thread. It's been my personal sentiment since hearing him with Bob Caudle years ago. JR's a racist, an ignoramous, a serial sexual harasser, an egomaniac and a pitiful shell of his former self at the announcing table. I'm suprised you're so outraged the ramblings of a mere "wrestling announcer". Reserve your rage for authentic assaults upon the honor of your ancestors and country. Just picture him wandering through the lobby bar of some nameless hotel wearing those ridiculous long denim shorts and a Oklahoma visor rubbing himself up against a defenseless Jackie Gayda.
JR doesn't deserve your vitriolic hatred. Reserve your pity for his pathetic, hideously disfigured mis-shapen lump of an existence.
(edited by NickBockwinkelFan on 12.11.02 0123) | Ticamo
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| #40 Posted on 12.11.02 0025.33
Reposted on: 12.11.09 0026.44 | Ironically enough, I have an Official WWE Calandar for this year and sure enough it notes that Veteran's Day and Rememberance Day are BOTH celebrated on November 11th.
I don't think the tone of this thread was called for, it was very harsh, personally. I don't think that JR meant to slight any person or nation when he stated that only Old Glory should be waving.
I agree with Excalibur05, who said:
It's not about what he said, it's about what he meant. If you listened to him, he said it as "I do not like it that Lance Storm and William Regal are shoving their anti-American attitude in our faces on this day celebrating the men and women who died for the ideals that Storm and Regal hate).
I'm so saddened that something that someone said without giving it proper forethought turn into something that allows a few folks get off on some Anti-American tirades or implying that Americans are self-important. (Leroy, I'm talking to you) I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see some sort of retraction of that statement because not only do REAL Americans respect and honor our veterans, but also the veterans of our allies.
You guys just need to chill out and calm down sometimes, sheesh!
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