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#1 Posted on 8.11.02 0944.28
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Has anybody seen the first ESPN to 25? Here's the list...
1. Arizona
2. Kansas
3. Oklahoma
4. Pittsburgh
5. Texas
6. Duke
7. Florida
8. Alabama
9. Oregon
10. Michigan State
11. Xavier
12. UCLA
13. Miss. St.
14. UConn
15. Maryland
16. Georgia
17. Kentucky
18. Missouri
19. Marquette
20. Cincinnati
21. Indiana
22. Gonzaga
23. Western Kentucky
24. Minnesota
25. Illinois

Let me first say that I don't really follow who recruited what players, so as far as new players i'm clueless of how good they are until they start playing. But here are some thoughts.

Kansas is still number 2 after losing Gooden? I know they still have Collison and Hinrich, but are they really a number 2 team?

Florida is number 7? They lost their best player Udonis Haslem. I love Matt Bonner but Brett Nelson was pretty underwhelming last year. And their newest players don't seem to be on the same leve as their recruits before that (Miller, Haslem, Harvey, Nelson). I guess if James White and David Lee have breakout years it's possible. But I don't see a team whose best player is Matt Bonner being a top 10 team. Alabama should atleast be ahead of them.

Duke and Maryland - Maryland lost Dixon, Wilcox, and Baxter, which isn't good. But Duke lost Williams, Dunleavy and Boozer which seems like a bigger blow to me, and yet Duke is still way higher. Is Duke really that much better? Did they pretty much just reload again this year?

Cincinnati losing Steve Logan is possibly the biggest loss of one individual player, simply because he WAS their team. Marquette starts off ranked higher, can they finally knock off Cincy in the Conference USA?
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#2 Posted on 8.11.02 1055.50
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I think Pitt is a little high. They caught people off guard last year, lets see if they can do it again.
And, life on the line, the last coach in the world that I would trust in a big game is Opie Barnes at Texas. Barnes can recruit, but he can't coach his way out of a paper bag.
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#3 Posted on 8.11.02 1140.15
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Wow...I really believe Georgia should be higher than Florida, and I KNOW Alabama should be higher than Florida. I guess the Gators are expecting a lot out of Bonner. Mississippi State also looks kind of high, although Austin is a big time player. We'll see how it all pans out though. I think the SEC is pretty balanced this year.

I guess Vandy just missed the cut at #26...
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#4 Posted on 8.11.02 1420.03
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I don't see the Princeton Tigers......
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#5 Posted on 8.11.02 1503.03
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    Originally posted by chuckc14
    Wow...I really believe Georgia should be higher than Florida, and I KNOW Alabama should be higher than Florida. I guess the Gators are expecting a lot out of Bonner. Mississippi State also looks kind of high, although Austin is a big time player. We'll see how it all pans out though. I think the SEC is pretty balanced this year.

    I guess Vandy just missed the cut at #26...



I agree that Georgia is better than Florida too. I just read that the Gators have some foreign freshmen who passed up a pro foreign team to go to Florida and it's supposed to be a great prospect, but I think you have to see how good he is before you just guess that he MIGHT be good and that MIGHT make Florida higher.

But I guess the whole polls is just guessing anyways...
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#6 Posted on 8.11.02 1630.17
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You're right about the guessing part, but it just seems like such a ridiculous guess based on all the players Alabama, Miss. St., and Georgia have returning. I would have ranked all of them above Florida. And I'm not trying to say that the Gators are going to suck, but the SEC is looking awfully strong.

Vandy tips off in an exhibition game next week against the friggin' Harlem Globetrotters (the competitive ones). They've only lost one game in the several years they've played exhibition games and that was to Michigan State the year they won the championship. I can't wait!!
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#7 Posted on 9.11.02 1422.41
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SEC discussion ignoring the Wildcats? The team that has won the conference 50% of the time throughout history? I do look through blue colored glasses, but I'm really excited about this year's Wildcat team.

Yes, we lost Tayshaun Prince. We also lost J.P. Blevins. Those are the only two departees who even played during last year's NCAA tournament, when the 'Cats somewhat righted the ship before losing to Maryland.

Others will say, you also lost: Marvin Stone (he was gone in December, the adjustment has been made); Rashaad Carruth (he didn't play significant minutes if any at all in the post season, and has already been kicked out of Norman, Oklahoma by Kelvin Sampson); Jason Parker (he missed last year due to injury and was kicked off the team for "breaking unspecified rules" in August; the rumor is that this new South Carolina player will be wearing jersey number "420" next year, shouldn't be condemned, but these guys have some idea of when tests are coming); Cory Sears (nobody for Gerald Fitch to punch); and Adam Chiles (who has been purported to be one of the major contributors along with Carruth to the team earning "Tear Turmoil" status last year) and Cliff Hawkins (hopefully he'll be academically eligible in December).

Who'd UK gain:
Antwain Barbour -Point?, 2 guard, and small forward(JC POTY);
Kaleena Azuibekee (aka Kaz)- 2 guard/small forward; Frosh scoring machine from Tulsa, physical specimen similar to the departed Parker and UK savior Jamal Mashburn in terms of build, 4.0 student, generally condidered a good kid; Bernard Cote, sleeper from Canada, power forward/center, Huge kid, well muscled, been drawing raves since KBA action this summer.
Brandon Stockton: PG, short (5'9"), Freshman may not be required to do much for a couple of years, but from all reports makes teammates better and is competitive.
Preston LeMaster: Walk-on SG whose father played at UK. Has skills, but won't be expected to contribute for a couple of years, but won't rock the boat either and will bust his butt in practice.
Ravi Moss: Walk on guard. Again, won't be asked to do much for a couple of years, but has good work ethic and is a solid citizen.

It is fashionable to pick UK low this year. Maybe that will be the case and I'll be reading all you other SEC fan's posts and crying in March. But, damn, they are still going to be a presence.

(edited by Rudoublesedoublel on 10.11.02 1037)
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#8 Posted on 9.11.02 2123.18
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    I think Pitt is a little high. They caught people off guard last year, lets see if they can do it again.
    And, life on the line, the last coach in the world that I would trust in a big game is Opie Barnes at Texas. Barnes can recruit, but he can't coach his way out of a paper bag.



Respectfully disagree. They brought back all five starters and lost only one player. They gained a terrific guard in Carl Krauser, who will complement Brandin Knight very nicely. This is a team ready to make a run at the national title.
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#9 Posted on 10.11.02 0546.33
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I'm bummed that we're not in the top ten, but the Terps have only 1 returning starter...let us hope he can lead the team to another tourny...
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#10 Posted on 10.11.02 2046.18
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Bearcats at number 20 is a bit optimistic. Never say never, but I think our run at an 8th straight conference title may hit some roadblocks. Marquette, Memphis and Louisville look strong this year.
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#11 Posted on 11.11.02 1115.17
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Russell...

I DO think the Wildcats will be good this year, and no doubt they have some new talent, but the fact is, it's unproven talent right now. Losing Prince is huge, and if Bogans can't revert back to sophomore year form, than they'll be lucky to finish third in the east.

Pre-season chatter can be pretty pointless sometimes, because it's impossible to tell which new players will adapt, and which new players will have trouble adjusting. But pointless as the chatter may be, I still like it. :)
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#12 Posted on 11.11.02 1408.28
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Chuck,

You are correct sir, but in my blue haze I just think that the new talent isn't getting enough credit. True, they haven't yet proven themselves in D1 action, but I really think that Kaz and Barbour can pick up the slack, and I really think that the dissension is over and they'll be a better team this year, just because they're rid of the biggest trouble makers. Or at least I hope. Besides, it is the anticipation that makes NCAA ball fun.
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#13 Posted on 11.11.02 1417.10
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I had no idea Carruth was such a cancer...From an outsider's perspective, Hawkins has always looked like the guy that busts up the 'team' chemistry. Or maybe it's because I can't get that Duke game out of my head last year, where he seemed to take EVERY shot in the last 5 or so minutes...

I guess every team has their rose-colored glasses when looking at their own teams new players. Talking to some Vandy fans, you'd think we'd just had the best recruiting class in the history of the NCAA. While I agree it was at least top 3 in the SEC, I'll reserve judgement until I see the guys play on an SEC floor, against SEC opponents.
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#14 Posted on 12.11.02 1146.28
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Arizona is ranked #1, and Gonzaga is at #22, and the Wyoming Cowboys are unranked? There is no justice in the world.

Ah well, hopefully the Cowboys will be back in fighting form again this season.

-Jag
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#15 Posted on 12.11.02 2119.01
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"How can you be ranked higher than where you ended last year when you lost your best player (Udonis Haslem)?" Billy Donovan asked. "That make any sense to me. You finish 18th or 19th, you've lost your best player and now we're going to be in the Top 10?

"Alabama should be the highest ranked team in the SEC."



I guess even Florida's coach agrees with us that they should not be ranked so high.
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#16 Posted on 13.11.02 1558.31
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Chuck,

Carruth was not a team player, he was the embodiment of an individual. In the Kentucky State game last year he refused to shoot in protest of his lack of playing time, THEN he told the media the what and why of his actions. Pouted all of the time.

Hawkins? He's not bad, he's just a little lazy in the classroom. I actually think he tries to do too much (that is what I saw in the dook game), but I do agree that he needs to think more like a playmaker, and a little less like a scorer.

Quezzy,

Billy almost sounds like his mentor. (Lord Richard, for all his faults, always fought to keep his teams humble and hungry.) I think the Gators will be good, but I'm not so much sold on Alabama. When Gottfried was the Murray State coach, it seemed he lost a game or two that he shouldn't have when he was coaching there.

And, since we seem to have a cluster of SEC fans around here, what's up with Miss State and Austin? It doesn't sound extremely promising for them based on what I've read. Either that or they're just being super cautious.

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#17 Posted on 13.11.02 2049.12
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I was talking to my friend about this same topic this evening and he mentioned that Justin Hamilton of the Gators was gone too? Is this true and I missed it? Haslem was the only senior so I know he didn't graduate but did he transfer or quit or something? Or is this false information?
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#18 Posted on 17.11.02 0038.02
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Lazzzlo, I will agree with you that Marquette is insanely strong this year. (I couldn't tell you a thing about Louisville.)

However, I don't see how Memphis is as strong as they were last year. They lost Wagner, yeah, but I really couldn't care less about that. It's the departure of Wise that bothers me more than anything else (granted, I believe he graduated - never can be sure with Memphis basketball about the ol' graduation rate). The issue at Memphis is going to be if Earl Barron can step up and carry the team; given his effort at Syracuse, it's a possibility.

Too bad Memphis can't beat Cincy anyway.
I've always believed that Texas is overrated - in everything. Once again, the pollsters prove me right - you're not going to be able to convince me that they deserve a ranking that high, especially if the coach can't handle the team in pressure games. Yeah, so you beat everybody bad - so what?

As for the SEC, I still think that 'Bama is the team to beat, then I'll give the nod to Mississippi State. I always trust a dominant big man, although I haven't heard much about Austin's situation. Russ, what have you heard?

Beyond those two, I'd say Florida, then the Wildcats, then everybody else - someone else is going to send their team to the tourney, but I couldn't tell you who.

Also, a lot of preseason rankings are based on coaching ability and recruiting hype, from what I've seen. Hence, this is why Duke can still be ranked in the top 10 if they didn't win a game the season before.
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#19 Posted on 21.11.02 1515.09
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I haven't heard much more about Mario Austin except that there is concern regarding high school transcripts. They've held him out for a couple of weeks now (at least it seems like a couple of weeks), so it must not be a "cut and dry" situation.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, my beloved 'Cats lose an exhibition game to Nike Elite. The 'Cats start the season in Hawaii at (what I think is) the old Chaminade tournament. I'm afraid one of the guys will find a Hawaiian Tiki and get cursed just like Greg did when the Brady family went to Hawaii. Oh well, you have to take the good with the bad, I'm just hoping that they recover and are at least entertaining to watch.

Quezzy,

I heard that the Gators lost a soph shooting guard who will likely transfer to Cincinnati. Will that be a big loss? Will the Gators miss John Pelphrey's presence on the bench and on the recruiting trail? (Of course I'm a Pelphrey mark, he is one of the "Unforgettables".)
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#20 Posted on 21.11.02 1618.45
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I gotta say the Gators looked solid the other night against La. Tech. I never expected that. That freshman kid with the headband and funny hair is an instant impact. And Bonner only has to take 4 or 5 shots? I take back what I said about the Gators being ranked too high...
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