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#21 Posted on 8.11.02 1211.10
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    Originally posted by cranlsn
    See, the thing about us conservatives is we've learned that even though someone may have come from a political family with advantages in his background, it doesn't automatically make them a bad or unqualified candidate for the job.



    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    And of course we all know that Carpetbagger Hillary's name had NOTHING to do with her winning that seat...


Now what did you learn?
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#22 Posted on 8.11.02 1230.30
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    Originally posted by Jaguar
    Well, to me, I wasn't against Bush just because his dad was President. I was against him because he stood for policies that I didn't agree with. It was just disturbing that the man came across as someone with very little knowledge on the issues (to me, anyway), and people still supported him.

    -Jag



Well...I will respectfully disagree with you about Dubya's knowledge of issues, but I can at least respect your argument.

I just have big issues with everyone who belly aches about his Dad having been President or having been rich growing up. I could make the "being rich" & privileged arguement about many currently sitting Democrats, and have just as little merit in relation to the real questions about their policies and positions.

I'm a conservative because of my personal beliefs and values. Clinton could have been a paragon of virtue and I still would've disagreed with his handling of the country.
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#23 Posted on 8.11.02 1420.14
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I could make the "being rich" & privileged arguement about many currently sitting Democrats, and have just as little merit in relation to the real questions about their policies and positions.

Trust me, I've got as much against the junior Kennedy's, Gore's, Bayh's, Pryor's, Brown's, and all the rest just as much Junior Bush. And don't even get me started on Hillary, who almost blew a shoo-in Democratic Senate seat in a state she didn't even live in for the sake of her ego.
The one difference though, is to paraphrase the famous quote, these guys at least don't act like they hit triple.

See, the thing about us conservatives is we've learned that even though someone may have come from a political family with advantages in his background, it doesn't automatically make them a bad or unqualified candidate for the job.

Sure, I agree with that. But again I ask: do you honestly think that if George W. Bush was born George W. Smith he would have even gotten into Yale, much less be "qualified to be president?" You think that of all the other conservatives in the country that THIS is the guy who would make the best president? I mean, Jeb I could kind of see. But Junior?


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#24 Posted on 8.11.02 1429.38
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    Originally posted by MoeGates
    I could make the "being rich" & privileged arguement about many currently sitting Democrats, and have just as little merit in relation to the real questions about their policies and positions.

    Trust me, I've got as much against the junior Kennedy's, Gore's, Bayh's, Pryor's, Brown's, and all the rest just as much Junior Bush. And don't even get me started on Hillary, who almost blew a shoo-in Democratic Senate seat in a state she didn't even live in for the sake of her ego.
    The one difference though, is to paraphrase the famous quote, these guys at least don't act like they hit triple.

    See, the thing about us conservatives is we've learned that even though someone may have come from a political family with advantages in his background, it doesn't automatically make them a bad or unqualified candidate for the job.

    Sure, I agree with that. But again I ask: do you honestly think that if George W. Bush was born George W. Smith he would have even gotten into Yale, much less be "qualified to be president?" You think that of all the other conservatives in the country that THIS is the guy who would make the best president? I mean, Jeb I could kind of see. But Junior?





Honestly? I don't know. The point is he did, and I don't really hold that against him. If I ever get into a position where I'm able to make sure that my children get an excellent education based on who I am, unlikely as that is, I'd definitely take it.

And yes, I think George W. Bush (he's not a Junior) was the most qualified for the job. The best president? Again, I don't know. In modern politics you have to balance knowledge of issues, and political positions, with the candidates "elect"-ability (is that a word?). In a perfect world, nothing but the issues would matter. In the real world you've got to factor in the intangibles.

Overall I'm very happy with his beliefs, positions, and the cabinet that he's surrounded himself with. So yes...in my mind he's the best man for the job, that's why I voted for him.
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#25 Posted on 12.11.02 1313.28
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    Originally posted by MoeGates
    Trust me, I've got as much against the junior Kennedy's, Gore's, Bayh's, Pryor's, Brown's, and all the rest just as much Junior Bush. And don't even get me started on Hillary, who almost blew a shoo-in Democratic Senate seat in a state she didn't even live in for the sake of her ego.
    The one difference though, is to paraphrase the famous quote, these guys at least don't act like they hit triple.



Actually, Evan Bayh is an awfully nice guy with a genuine flair for politics. Yes, you can certainly make a case that his political career has been helped by being the son of Birch Bayh, but I would argue that, unlike some/most of the others names above, Bayh has achieved far more than his political parent. Besides which, I have to defend a man who was gracious enough to genuinely and laughingly accept my apology when I threw up on his shoes about 5 minutes before he was due to give a speech.

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#26 Posted on 14.11.02 2215.59
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Back to McCain, here's a wildly speculative and not entirely serious article about a McCain run.

As far as "acting like [they] hit triple," who cares? Ted Kennedy is an extraordinarily fortunate man who should not be in office, and in any other state in the Union (except maybe CA), would not be in office. His phony populism is just that. Fer Chrissakes, he KILLED a woman. He SHOULD ackknowledge how lucky he is.
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