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|  #1 Posted on 27.10.02 0603.19
Reposted on: 27.10.09 0606.44 | Did anyone see her little speech yesterday, jeez is this woman an idiot. Not one of her comments made any sense at all or were valid. Whoever thought of putting her up there is a dumbass, and whoever agreed with her is one too. That had to have been the worst speech I've ever heard in my entire life. | Promote this thread! |             | MoeGates
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| #2 Posted on 27.10.02 0955.48
Reposted on: 27.10.09 0958.10 | | I myself can't stand celebrity junior politicians. I;ve got to say though, that includes Charlton Heston, Arnold Swartzenagger, and Tom Sellek as well as Rosie O'Donnell, Susan Sarandon, and Alec Baldwin. | OlFuzzyBastard
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| #3 Posted on 27.10.02 1017.04
Reposted on: 27.10.09 1018.48 | I include Reagan in that, too.
Okay, so I wasn't the only one who saw the anti-war demonstration on C-SPAN yesterday with the vastly huge crowd gathered in support. Did anyone happen to catch the pro-war rally later in the evening with, I'm estimating, about 75 people chanting "Saddam and Hitler are the same"?
To me, that kinda shows where the American mindset is on this, but I'm sure I'm horribly wrong and hate America. | PalpatineW
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| #4 Posted on 27.10.02 1122.00
Reposted on: 27.10.09 1122.32 | Fuzzy, when you make a point about the validity of the "American mindset," you should probably introduce facts and principles not related to the popularity of said mindset with the "international communuity." If France and Sweden say something is bad, does that mean that I should think it's bad? Your posts lead me to believe that, yes, this is your position.
Also, Charlton Heston is my President. | Jaguar
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| #5 Posted on 27.10.02 1222.05
Reposted on: 27.10.09 1229.01 | Palp: That only makes sense if the protest OFB was watching was one being held in France or Sweden. I assumed from his post that it was an American protest, but maybe I assumed wrong and OFB is silly.
OFB: Don't make assumptions based on protest. I'm sure there are plenty of people who are for the war, but don't feel the need to go tell everyone about it. That'd be like holding a rally in support of Thanksgiving. You know Thanksgiving is coming no matter what, so why go make a fuss about it?
-Jag | Dahak
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| #6 Posted on 27.10.02 1232.03
Reposted on: 27.10.09 1235.22 | | God I am so fucking tired of this shit. Anyone correct me if I am wrong. If Sadam continues to violate the UN treaties he signed after he lost the Gulf War and continues to make ABC weapons then the US will attack. So what is the big deal? They are violating their treaty. If they do that it is an act of war. If they want the treaty changed then Iraq should go to the effort to try to change it. Or they could just quit making 1000's of tons of chemical weapons that wouldn't even be effective against soldiers. Only against civilain targets. | MoeGates
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| #7 Posted on 27.10.02 1840.21
Reposted on: 27.10.09 1845.49 | | Well, by your rational we need to invade North Korea, not Iraq, as they have actually admitted that they've broken all those nice "we won't make nukes" resolutions that they signed. Oh wait, North Korea doesn't have any oil. My bad. | OlFuzzyBastard
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| #8 Posted on 27.10.02 1949.38
Reposted on: 27.10.09 1958.59 |
Originally posted by PalpatineW
Fuzzy, when you make a point about the validity of the "American mindset," you should probably introduce facts and principles not related to the popularity of said mindset with the "international communuity." If France and Sweden say something is bad, does that mean that I should think it's bad? Your posts lead me to believe that, yes, this is your position.
Also, Charlton Heston is my President.
The protest was in Washington DC. Most of the "liberal media" all but ignored it, but there were estimated to be over 100,000 people and it was carried live on C-SPAN, with the afore-mentioned pro-war rally covered that night on the same channel. What exactly is your point?
Oh, and Dahak, we have no proof Saddam is making said weapons. We just think he might. That's why we're calling it a preemptive strike. Just like there was no American war against Islam, but there could've been, so Bin Laden was able to convince some lunatic fringe cocksuckers to create a "preemptive strike" against us last September. The whole thing is miserably anti-American and fueled in little more than oil and personal petty revenge.
But, hey, Bush said it, so we've all got to be gung-ho, right? | Dahak
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| #9 Posted on 27.10.02 2001.45
Reposted on: 27.10.09 2002.21 | Oh we have no proof huh? So what about the 8,000 tons of mustard gas found in 98? And North Korea is different. We did not beat North Korea in a war and they signed a treaty. They made an agreement. I don't understand why North Korea needs nukes since they are pretty much just a part of China anyway.
But doesn't some part of the responsibility for avoiding war belong to Iraq? If the US just attacked Iraq that would be different but if Iraq refuses to follow through on the treaty they signed that is an act of war. If that seems unfair they shouldn't have invaded, killed of 1000's of Quwaitis, refused to leave, and then got their ass kicked should they? | Fuzzy Logic
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|  #10 Posted on 27.10.02 2026.41
Reposted on: 27.10.09 2029.02 | | Actually, I knew a guy from a li'l town in China, that was just across a river from North Korea... If'n you were to throw a rock towards North Korea from said town, they would open fire. | OlFuzzyBastard
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| #11 Posted on 27.10.02 2152.43
Reposted on: 27.10.09 2153.00 | Again, no one likes the source, I realize, but *this* is what I was talking about:
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(edited by OlFuzzyBastard on 27.10.02 2253) | pieman
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| #12 Posted on 28.10.02 0715.19
Reposted on: 28.10.09 0715.40 | | Thanks, Fuzzy! That is an outstanding picture. Speaks 1000 words! | Grimis
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| #13 Posted on 28.10.02 0816.26
Reposted on: 28.10.09 0816.58 | | You could substitute the words with "Rally in Support of Christmas Shopping." Something so widely supported doesn't draw a crowd. | pieman
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| #14 Posted on 28.10.02 1020.59
Reposted on: 28.10.09 1029.01 | | Yeah, like when the Yankees win the World Series (usually) and hundreds of thousands of people show up to cheer. Yeah, those are really badly attended rallies. | Fletch
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| #15 Posted on 28.10.02 1318.40
Reposted on: 28.10.09 1329.03 | Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
Again, no one likes the source, I realize, but *this* is what I was talking about...
Well, I like the source... Sure, BC's "BFEE" tripe makes about as much sense as Jack Chick's "The Pope = Satan" bullshit. But at the same time he can make a good point.
I liked him so much better, though, in his "Rush Limba: Lying Nazi Whore" days. Check it out.
Originally posted by Moe Gates
Well, by your rational we need to invade North Korea, not Iraq, as they have actually admitted that they've broken all those nice "we won't make nukes" resolutions that they signed. Oh wait, North Korea doesn't have any oil. My bad.
The logic of this makes so much sense that I don't understand how anyone can read it and still support our current course of action against Iraq.
(edited by Fletch on 28.10.02 1419)
(edited by Fletch on 28.10.02 1419) | Pool-Boy
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| #16 Posted on 28.10.02 1325.30
Reposted on: 28.10.09 1329.08 | The reason why pro-war demonstrators are not showing up is because THEY ARE GETTING THEIR WAY... why waste time showing up for something like that?
Besides... a certain kind of person shows up to rallies like that... and thay type tends to be more Pro-war...
and as far as North Korea goes... yup, we are not attacking them now... one step at a time. They are going to be the hardest of the "Axis of Evil" to invade, so we are saving them for last. Imagine how easy Iran is going to be to take out once they are surrounded after we take out Iraq!
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| #17 Posted on 28.10.02 1338.28
Reposted on: 28.10.09 1346.48 |
Originally posted by Pool-Boy
...and as far as North Korea goes... yup, we are not attacking them now... one step at a time. They are going to be the hardest of the "Axis of Evil" to invade, so we are saving them for last. Imagine how easy Iran is going to be to take out once they are surrounded after we take out Iraq!
Oh really?
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"Earlier, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Pyongyang's nuclear programme was a 'serious violation' of the 1994 deal under which North Korea agreed to halt its nuclear weapons programme in return for light water reactors.
However, he went on, Washington viewed the problem in a different light from Iraq - which President Bush has threatened with military action over its weapons programme.
'These are different regions, different problems,' Mr McClellan said.
'We are seeking a peaceful solution,' he added. 'This is best addressed through diplomatic channels at this point.'".
Unless the Bush administration is chock full of liars, it looks like we will not be invading North Korea. So, you tell me, what makes this member of the "Axis of Evil" different? | Pool-Boy
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| #18 Posted on 28.10.02 1404.52
Reposted on: 28.10.09 1405.33 | What idiot would come out and say "We plan to attack you, but our forces are dedicated elsewhere right now, so you will have to wait?" If any of our politicians had said something like that, They should be shot...
I WANT them out there negotiating with North Korea right now. Iraq had ten years of chances... they blew their chance at a peaceful solution. But North Korea has time simply because we do not have the strategic position or the available forces to attack them right now. We tell them we are interested in peace (and we are) because we want them to take negotiations seriously.
Mark my words- if North Korea does not back down in these negotiations... you will see some war-talk somewhere down the line... just not while we are mobilizing for Iraq... one at a time! | MoeGates
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| #19 Posted on 28.10.02 1411.19
Reposted on: 28.10.09 1415.37 | | So let me get this straight. All available intelligence says that North Korea is a lot closer to getting nukes than Iraq. So let's invade Iraq first THEN invade North Korea. Makes a lot of sense. | Pool-Boy
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| #20 Posted on 28.10.02 1418.12
Reposted on: 28.10.09 1421.36 | 1) Nukes is not the primary reason we are attacking Iraq. It has stronger ties with terrorism than North Korea does, and this is, after all, a war on TERROR.
2)Iraq with a nuke, is a much more dangerous thing than North Korea. North Korea has China, a nuclear superpower, at its back door holding it in check. Iraq has no such thing stopping it from lobbing a nuke in any number of directions.
3)North Korea is a much harder target to hit than Iraq right now. And for the overall War on Terror, a strategic position in Iraq is prefereble right now, since the majority of our targets are in that general area.
4)Our forces are already being committed to Iraq. If you are going to use troops, you do not waste them.
It should be obvious that all of our moves in the war on terror are carfully calculated. We are not just attcking Iraq "for the hell of it." There is a bigger picture here... and it makes no sense at this point to toss troops into North Korea at this point. The time for that stage of the campaign is later. |
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