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#1 Posted on 25.10.02 1334.37
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You know, it's getting harder and harder to think I'm just being cynical...
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#2 Posted on 25.10.02 1341.31
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Ok... I'm trying to figure out what happens here.

Obviously this is a tragedy for the state and the families... but we're trying to figure out how this works from the standpoint of the election and so forth.

Apparently Minnesota law lets the party put someone else on the ballot up to 4 days before the election, which would be November 1.

Now, I don't think they would do this. So... if they ran him and he won, the new governor would choose the seat? Or would Jesse choose since he is the current lame duck governor?

If it's Jesse, that's wacky. If it's the new guy, and Penny wins, does he put in a Dem even though he's independant?

Man. What a wierd day. From everything I've seen he was a good representative and a good guy. Anyone from Minnesota have any thoughts on this?
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#3 Posted on 25.10.02 1343.40
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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
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    You know, it's getting harder and harder to think I'm just being cynical...



I'm not certain what exactly you're implying with this one...


Nevertheless, while I agreed with practically nothing he said, you have to give Sen. Wellstone his propos for sticking with his ideological guns(execpt for his term limits pledge which actually became a serious bone of contention in this race).

The real interesting question politically now becomes the fact that a governor belonging to a third party who is leaving policitics can now tip the balance of power completely by himself.
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#4 Posted on 25.10.02 1347.14
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I'm going to be a good boy, and not even think about verbalizing what many of the voices in my head are screaming. This is just too much to digest right now.

Instead, I'm simply going to post something the deceased said recently, in response to his vote on Dubya's war resolution:

"There is lots at stake," Wellstone conceded as he boarded the sleek subway from the Senate chamber back to his office. "I was asked this morning if this would hurt me politically. I don't have any idea. But what would hurt me for sure would be to utter words on the floor of the Senate that I don't believe or to vote for something I am against, especially on a question of life and death."

Someday, I dream that I'll wake up in a world where all politicians -- left, right and center, Democrat, Republican and other, local, state and federal alike -- can say the above statement with a straight face. Whether you liked him or not, the man had guts.

In pace requiesat.
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#5 Posted on 25.10.02 1350.00
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C'mon.

The republicans didn't make the sleet, snow, or ice happen. It's a tragedy, that's all. Not a conspiracy.

I found something on election law...

http://ww3.house.leg.state.mn.us/leg/faqtoc.asp?subject=10

//edit: Nevermind that's State legislature.

(edited by Guru Zim on 25.10.02 1151)


Try this one...


http://www.islamicinstitute.org/howlawmade.htm

II. THE CONGRESS

Article I, Section 1, of the United States Constitution,
provides that:

All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a
Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate
and House of Representatives.

The Senate is composed of 100 Members-two from each state,
regardless of population or area-elected by the people in
accordance with the 17th Amendment to the Constitution. The 17th
Amendment changed the former constitutional method under which
Senators were chosen by the respective state legislatures. A
Senator must be at least 30 years of age, have been a citizen of
the United States for nine years, and, when elected, be a
resident of the state for which the Senator is chosen. The term
of office is six years and one-third of the total membership of
the Senate is elected every second year. The terms of both
Senators from a particular state are arranged so that they do not
terminate at the same time. Of the two Senators from a state
serving at the same time the one who was elected first-or if both
were elected at the same time, the one elected for a full term-is
referred to as the "senior" Senator from that state. The other
is referred to as the "junior" Senator. If a Senator dies or
resigns during the term, the governor of the state must call a
special election unless the state legislature has authorized the
governor to appoint a successor until the next election, at which
time a successor is elected for the balance of the term. Most of
the state legislatures have granted their governors the power of
appointment.



(edited by Guru Zim on 25.10.02 1155)
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#6 Posted on 25.10.02 1408.14
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Wellstone's Bio.

This is really harsh. Wellstone has always been one of my progressive favs.


    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    The republicans didn't make the sleet, snow, or ice happen. It's a tragedy, that's all. Not a conspiracy.



I couldn't have said this better myself.

Or this...


    Originally posted by vsp
    In pace requiesat.
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#7 Posted on 25.10.02 1412.54
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I'm guessing Jesse could appoint himself to the Senate for the remainder of the current term when the Senate meets in November and December. If Wellstone is left on the ballot and wins, then the new governor makes the decision at the beginning of January. If the Democrats pull the switcheroo and put Mondale on the ballot and he wins, he gets six years.
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#8 Posted on 25.10.02 1430.45
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Again, it all depends. If the new gov. of Minnesota takes office after the new crop of Senators is sworn in, Jesse can make the appointment regardless.
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#9 Posted on 25.10.02 1505.36
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Well, I posted it the minute I read it, and I was still in shock and digesting all the information, but I'll be completely honest and say the first thing that I thought was "Now, that's convenient, isn't it?".
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#10 Posted on 25.10.02 1515.40
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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    Well, I posted it the minute I read it, and I was still in shock and digesting all the information, but I'll be completely honest and say the first thing that I thought was "Now, that's convenient, isn't it?".


That's a poor excuse if I ever heard one...
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#11 Posted on 25.10.02 1541.50
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A poor excuse for what, exactly?

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#12 Posted on 25.10.02 1550.41
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Well, in terms of crazy conspiracy theories and such, it would make a lot more sense for the G.O.P. to kill Norm Coleman instead. I mean, there is a historical precident and all for what usually happens in tight races where one of the contestants dies in a plane crash a few weeks before the election.

With the amount of travelling that candidates do while campaining, I'm not that surprised this happened again. As crazy as candidates get about out-fundraising each other, they're twice as crazy about out-working each other. Wellstone is far from the first candidate to fly in small aircraft during really bad weather - despite the fact that it's somewhat risky - because he had one more event to do. And unfortunately, he probably won't be the last either.
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#13 Posted on 25.10.02 1851.35
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I disagree with much of what Wellstone said and stood for, but like most of his opponents, I admire him for his tenacity in standing up for what he believed and in not waffling to every political wind, a la Senior Clinton. Too bad he died a liberal, but at least he went down swinging.

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#14 Posted on 25.10.02 2041.19
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    Originally posted by DMC
    Too bad he died a liberal


Too bad he died. He was a passionate, determined and challenging person in a forum that could use more passionate, determined and challenging people, regardless of party affiliation.
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#15 Posted on 25.10.02 2042.11
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For the record (since it rolled right off Grimis's back), I do *NOT* think there was any sort of right-wing conspiracy. Period. I was just pissed off that there's, like, five Democrat senators who'll fight back, and we just lost one of them, and I alluded to something I didn't mean.

And, furthermore, all I said in the first place was that it's getting harder to believe I'm just cynical. I could've meant anything by that - you just interpreted it as a conspiracy theory. I save those for the Super Bowl, thank you very much.
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#16 Posted on 25.10.02 2047.35
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(edit: I had an angry response to DMC's "too bad he died a liberal" quote here, but instead I decide now not to justify such tripe with any response at all.)

(edited by spf2119 on 25.10.02 2049)
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#17 Posted on 25.10.02 2148.39
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Considering what has happened to Carnahan and Wellstone the past two election cycles, perhaps the Democrats should stop hiring pilots from the Thurman Munson Flight School.
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