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#1 Posted on 31.8.02 1743.20
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I'm on the east coast so I'm not sure if there is a known story as to why the Seattle Mariners have stumbled like Scott Hall at closing time. With their bullpen back, and Edgar Martinez getting healthy, it should be them, not Oakland, that went off on a long hot streak. Then again, they did sign Jose O-fer-4-man, so that might be a valid explanation for their recent struggles.
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#2 Posted on 31.8.02 1807.25
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Hey -- I saw the Twins/Mariners on 8/29, and to me, the Mariners did fine. Of course, Jamie Moyer pitched and the bullpen was fine.
It was a great 2-0 game IMHO.
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#3 Posted on 1.9.02 0040.59
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Hey, if it makes you feel any better, you did help us out greatly.

Because you took Offerman, we're under the luxury tax.

Then again, we did the same for Colorado by nabbing Agbayani... at least he has options. (Oh, and don't worry... my brother's gonna hear worse about this than you guys. ;))
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#4 Posted on 1.9.02 0249.34
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The Mighty Mariners are suffering from NO HITTING. Boone is only hitting half of last years totals, while Cameron is barely hitting his weight.

Even if the Mariners make the playoffs, they will not go very far. There hitting is horrible. They are playing in a bigger park, so they changed their offense. The problem is they went to extreme. In the past you had ARod, Griffey, Edgar, Buhner hitting 150 home runs a year. Now the starting lineup can't even get that. I blame the Mariners problems on a lack of a power threat.
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#5 Posted on 1.9.02 2308.00
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The Mariners are in need of some offense, and they knew this at the trading deadline. They knew this at the real trading deadline, whch was Saturday. So, being the absolute geniuses that they are, they prayed for Edgar to be Ruthian, and they picked up Jose Awfulman. He's not just bad at the plate, he's bad in the field. Thanks for that, Seattle. Now would you kindly step aside as the Sox blow right by you for the Wild Card? Thank you.
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#6 Posted on 2.9.02 0005.18
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    Originally posted by gugs
    The Mariners are in need of some offense, and they knew this at the trading deadline. They knew this at the real trading deadline, whch was Saturday. So, being the absolute geniuses that they are, they prayed for Edgar to be Ruthian, and they picked up Jose Awfulman. He's not just bad at the plate, he's bad in the field. Thanks for that, Seattle. Now would you kindly step aside as the Sox blow right by you for the Wild Card? Thank you.


That's assuming that Anaheim self-destructs, gugs... and they way they've been play--oh, right, 1995.

Ah well, we all know the Sox aren't gonna make it either, they don't have all that much in the rotation beyond Pedro and Lowe.
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#7 Posted on 2.9.02 1055.59
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    Originally posted by drjayphd

      Originally posted by gugs
      The Mariners are in need of some offense, and they knew this at the trading deadline. They knew this at the real trading deadline, whch was Saturday. So, being the absolute geniuses that they are, they prayed for Edgar to be Ruthian, and they picked up Jose Awfulman. He's not just bad at the plate, he's bad in the field. Thanks for that, Seattle. Now would you kindly step aside as the Sox blow right by you for the Wild Card? Thank you.


    That's assuming that Anaheim self-destructs, gugs... and they way they've been play--oh, right, 1995.

    Ah well, we all know the Sox aren't gonna make it either, they don't have all that much in the rotation beyond Pedro and Lowe.



Yeah, but how many players from '95 are still left on that team? Tim Salmon and Garret Anderson are all I can think of. I gotta think they'll hold on, then bow out in the first round of the playoffs. They're the one team of the 5 still in contention (the Sox aren't, period.) that I just can't see coming out of the AL. I'd still pick the Yankees right now, but the Athletics and Twins are playing really well and the A's are playoff-tested. The Mariners still have the talent to win the whole thing, but they better get it together, and fast.
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#8 Posted on 2.9.02 1543.09
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I've got to believe the Mariners will finish in 3rd place and I'm not just saying that because the Angels are the home team here. Seattle has not had consistant hitting and they just don't have that same momentum that they had at this time last year. Wait 'til next year, M's fans.

Oh, and the Angels will NOT bow out in the 1st round! They've always had the Yankees' number and this year will be no different. YANKEES FEAR PERCIVAL!
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#9 Posted on 2.9.02 2247.59
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Um, maybe I am just getting old, but didn't the Mariners (pretty much the same team) win like 115 games last year? WTF happened? Did they finally look up the word "overrated" in the dictionary? Solid team, but definitely overachieved last season, thus making expectations a tad bit on the high side.


    Originally posted by It's False
    YANKEES FEAR PERCIVAL!


Troy Percival and the stinky brown (mostly solid) substance that drops into the toilet from between the cheeks of my ass bear a strange and remarkable resemblance. I will look forward to seeing the Yankees beat them in 3 straight, after 9th inning homers allowed by Percy to Soriano, Jeter, and Mr. Giambi. (Not to say that the Angels will be leading in the 9th, he will just need some mop-up work being that the Yankees will have spanked the Angels the first two, and have a double-digit lead in the third game). As a Yankee fan, I have more fear of Scott Spezio than friggin Percival.




Um, maybe Garrett Anderson also....and Washburn. BUT NOT PERCY-VAL!!
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#10 Posted on 3.9.02 0218.04
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*not in alphabetical order

A) Pitching
B) Obviously not getting the same offense they did last year
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#11 Posted on 3.9.02 0829.43
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Bullitt is correct here. The hitting has not been great, but their pitching has not been what's it's been in the past. The Chief - Freddy Garcia has been pretty horrific for a supposed #1 starter. Moyer and Piniero have been good starters, but James Baldwin, Ryan Franklin and John Halama have been mediocre to awful. As for the bullpen, they were without Jeff Nelson for a good portion of the season and he has not quite rebounded yet. So, while the hitting could not possibly have repeated what it did last year, it is the pitching that has been the bigger downfall.
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#12 Posted on 3.9.02 0914.41
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    Originally posted by jfkfc
    Um, maybe I am just getting old, but didn't the Mariners (pretty much the same team) win like 115 games last year? WTF happened? Did they finally look up the word "overrated" in the dictionary? Solid team, but definitely overachieved last season, thus making expectations a tad bit on the high side.


      Originally posted by It's False
      YANKEES FEAR PERCIVAL!


    Troy Percival and the stinky brown (mostly solid) substance that drops into the toilet from between the cheeks of my ass bear a strange and remarkable resemblance. I will look forward to seeing the Yankees beat them in 3 straight, after 9th inning homers allowed by Percy to Soriano, Jeter, and Mr. Giambi. (Not to say that the Angels will be leading in the 9th, he will just need some mop-up work being that the Yankees will have spanked the Angels the first two, and have a double-digit lead in the third game). As a Yankee fan, I have more fear of Scott Spezio than friggin Percival.




    Um, maybe Garrett Anderson also....and Washburn. BUT NOT PERCY-VAL!!




Percival has always owned the Yankees. The irony is that the Red Sox always kill Percival.
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#13 Posted on 3.9.02 0920.27
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    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    The Mighty Mariners are suffering from NO HITTING. Boone is only hitting half of last years totals, while Cameron is barely hitting his weight.

    Even if the Mariners make the playoffs, they will not go very far. There hitting is horrible. They are playing in a bigger park, so they changed their offense. The problem is they went to extreme. In the past you had ARod, Griffey, Edgar, Buhner hitting 150 home runs a year. Now the starting lineup can't even get that. I blame the Mariners problems on a lack of a power threat.



Actually, it's not the "hitting" that's the problem. Boone and Cameron have rebounded nicely after the All-Star break, hitting .345 and .271, respectively. Cirillo still isn't really hitting, but the real problem is they aren't getting ANY clutch hitting. Bases loaded or first-and-third and no outs has been leading to WAY too many zero runs innings for this club to win that much, and they go those hits all the time last year.

The pitching, except for Garcia who is lost out there, has been pretty darn good. When Nelson was out Hasegawa was AMAZING, and while he is struggling now Nelson seems to have rounded into form. Rhodes and Sasaki have been very good as usual. James Baldwin was *BillWaltonvoice* TERRIBLE, though, and it seems the M's were silly to think that they would be able to replace a steady guy like Sele with such an iffy guy as Baldwin. Plus, what's the deal with that anyway? They're trying to WIN THE WORLD SERIES, and the M's had like a $14 million profit last year, but they tried to nickel-and-dime the bottom end of their pitching staff with Baldwin. Puzzling.

It is funny though that they are 81-57 and over .500 since the break, yet they have gone "in the tank." Up until a week ago, when the A's had just passed us and had only won 12 or 13 in a row, I thought they were still going to win the division, because they were playing pretty well. Never mind that now.
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#14 Posted on 3.9.02 1001.39
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Percival has always owned the Yankees. The irony is that the Red Sox always kill Percival.


Split ERA W L Sv Svo G IP H R ER BB K AVG A
vs.Bos 6.75 0 3 12 16 27 25.1 30 19 19 13 31 .286
vs.NYY 1.95 2 1 12 13 29 32.1 18 7 7 14 46 .157

Yeah, Percy does well against my beloved pinstripes. I just hate him and like to live in denial.
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#15 Posted on 3.9.02 2136.40
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    They're trying to WIN THE WORLD SERIES, and the M's had like a $14 million profit last year, but they tried to nickel-and-dime the bottom end of their pitching staff with Baldwin. Puzzling.


I think one of the reasons the Mariners didn't pick someone else up especially at the deadline was because of the threat of a strike. Valdes is a nice pickup for those end of the rotation problems the Mariners have been facing.

One major problem is that Cirillo has brought NOTHING to the table. He is hitting worse than Bell was last year and is getting paid quite a bit more to do that. You can't have the power void that these guys have at the power positions. All they really need is a guy that can hit 25-30 HRs and they don't have that.
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#16 Posted on 4.9.02 1314.32
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Oakland A's winning streak?
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#17 Posted on 4.9.02 1924.14
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    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco>One major problem is that Cirillo has brought NOTHING to the table. He is hitting worse than Bell was last year and is getting paid quite a bit more to do that. You can't have the power void that these guys have at the power positions. All they really need is a guy that can hit 25-30 HRs and they don't have that.



I think Cameron was supposed to be that guy, and Boone was the guy last year...but Boone has fallen back to earth, and Cam has just sucked.
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#18 Posted on 5.9.02 0206.23
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Oakland A's win #20 in a row!
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#19 Posted on 5.9.02 0342.58
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baaaaa Please baaa Believe baaa It baaa

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#20 Posted on 5.9.02 0853.24
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    Originally posted by Whitebacon

      Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco>One major problem is that Cirillo has brought NOTHING to the table. He is hitting worse than Bell was last year and is getting paid quite a bit more to do that. You can't have the power void that these guys have at the power positions. All they really need is a guy that can hit 25-30 HRs and they don't have that.



    I think Cameron was supposed to be that guy, and Boone was the guy last year...but Boone has fallen back to earth, and Cam has just sucked.



I'm with BDL on this one. I repeat, Boone's second-half numbers are basically equal with his 2001 numbers, so you can't blame him, because in the first-half he sucked but the M's were winning. Cameron's hottest streak has been since the All-Star break, and his power numbers and runs scored have been right where they should be this year. Cirillo has not improved the club from a hitting standpoint one bit. He's an awesome fielder, but I think he's still only marginally better than David Bell. Bell had ok numbers last year and has much better numbers this year, plus he got a lot more clutch hits than Cirillo could hope to have made this year.
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